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Wisconsin vs Total Recall

joecct said:
Different generations?
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Most elected officials are either baby boomers or Gen Xers. Not completely shocking that they'd be more about control than anything (the boomers because they've always had it by sheer demographic weight, the gen xers because they've never had it).

By 2020 when millennials start getting into places of power (the oldest millennial will be 40 by then), it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, changes.
 
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unofan said:
Most elected officials are either baby boomers or Gen Xers. Not completely shocking that they'd be more about control than anything (the boomers because they've always had it by sheer demographic weight, the gen xers because they've never had it).

By 2020 when millennials start getting into places of power (the oldest millennial will be 40 by then), it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, changes.
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There is folk wisdom that says grandparents and grandchildren see things in similar fashion because children generally rebel against their parents. I hope you are right, this time.
 
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johnnypohlfan said:
North Dakota would like to have a word with you.
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One important factor in the overall health of an economy is diversification--something North Dakota would score very poorly on. Perhaps, even so, North Dakota still has a healthier economy, but it's "arguable".
 
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5mn_Major said:
Looks like MN will be saddled with arguably the country's healthiest economy awhile longer. ;)
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Tax collections are fallingl short of state projections. Don't be so certain of the strength of MN's economy.
 
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St. Clown said:
Tax collections are fallingl short of state projections. Don't be so certain of the strength of MN's economy.
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Medtronic moving out will likely have a pretty substantial impact as well.


GrinCDXX said:
One important factor in the overall health of an economy is diversification--something North Dakota would score very poorly on. Perhaps, even so, North Dakota still has a healthier economy, but it's "arguable".
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If NoDak's single factor wasn't the lifeline of the entire modern world, you may have a point.
 
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That's true but discovering a bunch of resources probably isn't the best long term plan for any economy, hence diversification is healthier.
 
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trixR4kids said:
That's true but discovering a bunch of resources probably isn't the best long term plan for any economy, hence diversification is healthier.
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A long-term boom can lead to diversification through natural growth of the population due to spouses and children moving into the area with the oil workers. There's more oil in ND than in Saudi Arabia. This could very easily be the boom that makes North Dakota, much like gold made San Francisco and Denver.
 
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Tiggsy said:
If NoDak's single factor wasn't the lifeline of the entire modern world, you may have a point.
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Being a critical global resource does not prevent its price from dropping drastically in a short period of time. An economy so highly dependent on it can be hit quite hard by such a drop. It's cute though, that you think my point that it's arguable was completely eviscerated by your observation that "oil is important".
 
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GrinCDXX said:
Being a critical global resource does not prevent its price from dropping drastically in a short period of time. An economy so highly dependent on it can be hit quite hard by such a drop.
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We lived in WY in the late 1990s. It was amazing to see the town at that time. There had been an oil boom several years earlier that ended abruptly. Subdivisions were simply abandoned by the developers in mid-construction. The town had a first-class rec center and a great library, all paid for, and very few patrons to use them.
 
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FreshFish said:
We lived in WY in the late 1990s. It was amazing to see the town at that time. There had been an oil boom several years earlier that ended abruptly. Subdivisions were simply abandoned by the developers in mid-construction. The town had a first-class rec center and a great library, all paid for, and very few patrons to use them.
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I imagine towns/cities/states have to be very proactive about planning what they will be "after oil" to avoid becoming largely ghost towns. I drive through Dickinson, ND quite frequently and every time I wonder what Dickinson can do with itself after all this that will support all the sprawl that I see.
 
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unofan said:
By 2020 when millennials start getting into places of power (the oldest millennial will be 40 by then), it'll be interesting to see what, if anything, changes.
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Until the lobby industrial complex is curtailed nothing will change.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Until the lobby industrial complex is curtailed nothing will change.
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And nothing will change until the lobby industrial complex is curtailed. That's some catch that Catch-22. It's the best there is.
 
Re: Wisconsin vs Total Recall

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Remember, folks, Governor Walker is a fiscal conservative. Not some guy who just wants to funnel money to the elite upper class while systematically undercutting education at every turn.

http://www.atlredline.com/fiscal-conservatism-1682761697/+Tom_Ley
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Politics

I said in another thread that "You play ball with the governor or you get the bat up your as^.".

When Gov. Walker ended mandatory union membership, who descended upon the state house in numbers to disrupt the legislature? Who let kids out of class so they and their teachers could protest? Payback's a *****.

And it's not unique. After the Deep South went for Goldwater, Johnson closed a few large military bases in those States in retaliation. Look at grant $$ under GOP or Democratic administrations. The $$ go to the states of the winning color.

So quit whining and get with the program. Either vote him out of office or hope he becomes President.
 
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joecct said:
Politics

I said in another thread that "You play ball with the governor or you get the bat up your as^.".

When Gov. Walker ended mandatory union membership, who descended upon the state house in numbers to disrupt the legislature? Who let kids out of class so they and their teachers could protest? Payback's a *****.

And it's not unique. After the Deep South went for Goldwater, Johnson closed a few large military bases in those States in retaliation. Look at grant $$ under GOP or Democratic administrations. The $$ go to the states of the winning color.

So quit whining and get with the program. Either vote him out of office or hope he becomes President.
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I guess the part where he's cutting education is secondary. What astonishes me here is how he can directly funnel (or defer, I guess) tax dollars straight into the Bucks' owners' pockets and call it fiscal conservatism.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I guess the part where he's cutting education is secondary. What astonishes me here is how he can directly funnel (or defer, I guess) tax dollars straight into the Bucks' owners' pockets and call it fiscal conservatism.
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I think a recent article in WSJ stated that he was proposing a 13% across-the-board reduction in funds for the UW university system.
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I guess the part where he's cutting education is secondary. What astonishes me here is how he can directly funnel (or defer, I guess) tax dollars straight into the Bucks' owners' pockets and call it fiscal conservatism.
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Corporate blackmail disguised as civic responsibility. See LA, the NFL and publicly financed stadiums.
 
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