Wisconsin vs Total Recall

[FreshFish]

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It looks like the Mayor of Milwaukee, Tom Barrett, is the winner of the Democratic primary to face Gov. Walker in June.

According to the national press, for a recall that was supposed to "school" Gov. Walker on the power of public sector unions, the election campaign run by the Democrats in the primary was about everything other than union issues.

I wonder how the unions feel about that.....even the person they are supporting isn't willing to defend them during the campaign itself, because defending them now looks like a campaign liability.

 

[Kepler]

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Kind of ironic, the more elitist a person is in their sensibilities, the more they seem to pretend to speak for "the people"

Trickle down in one sentence. Very nice.

 

[Kepler]

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I wonder how the unions feel about that.

Apparently they're cool with it; I suspect they also can spell "concern troll."

 

[WeWantMore]

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Two crushing election defeats in a row for Gladys Huber. It's like she's not even trying!

 

[Kepler]

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Two crushing election defeats in a row for Gladys Huber. It's like she's not even trying!

Had to look her up. Just doing her bit to impede democracy... nice.

 

[Kepler]

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Andrew Cuomo in NY has also talked about taking on the teachers especially in regards to evaluations.

This may also be an upstate vs downstate political battle. I don't know how Cuomo stands with the unions. He may also be trying to build up some moderate street cred for a presidential run in 2016.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Had to look her up. Just doing her bit to impede democracy... nice.

Yes, democracy sure was impeded.

This may also be an upstate vs downstate political battle. I don't know how Cuomo stands with the unions. He may also be trying to build up some moderate street cred for a presidential run in 2016.

"Cuomo Vows Offensive Against Labor Unions"

Unions rally against Cuomo's Pension Cut Plan.

So yeah, I'm gonna chalk that standing with unions up as a "not so hot". Certainly moderate street cred should he become the Dem nominee, but I would think such heresy would severely hamstring his chances of winning a Dem primary.

 

[MW4Bucky&SNC]

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It looks like the Mayor of Milwaukee, Tom Barrett, is the winner of the Democratic primary to face Gov. Walker in June.

According to the national press, for a recall that was supposed to "school" Gov. Walker on the power of public sector unions, the election campaign run by the Democrats in the primary was about everything other than union issues.

I wonder how the unions feel about that.....even the person they are supporting isn't willing to defend them during the campaign itself, because defending them now looks like a campaign liability.

It wasn't close and that's with people like me voting for her because we see how bogus the recall is and we know she isn't remotely electable outside of the Republic of Madison.

 

[Old Pio]

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It wasn't close and that's with people like me voting for her because we see how bogus the recall is and we know she isn't remotely electable outside of the Republic of Madison.

With no opposition on the Republican side, Walker got more votes than the two Democrats combined. If the recall fails, I wonder if Wisconsin unions will finally concede that they've lost and lost and lost.

 

[Rover]

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With no opposition on the Republican side, Walker got more votes than the two Democrats combined. If the recall fails, I wonder if Wisconsin unions will finally concede that they've lost and lost and lost.

You're overlooking a key demographic, which is people who just like to kick politicians in the @ ss. Lets say 45% of the population is Dem loyalists looking to vote out Walker. Only thing to do with them is make sure they show up or stay home depending on who you're rooting for. The wild card is the 10-20% of the population who shows up just to vote against somebody. Walker's the incumbent. Will 5% of the voters be people who want to take the sitting governor down a peg even though they could care less about union rights? Maybe...

 

[Kepler]

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You're overlooking a key demographic, which is people who just like to kick politicians in the @ ss.

I'd like to believe in this demographic, not just for the Walker recall but generally speaking (keeps them on their toes), but given the huge percentage of incumbents that are re-elected every cycle I'd say it's not a large demographic. It may, in fact, be just Scooby.

 

[WeWantMore]

You're overlooking a key demographic, which is people who just like to kick politicians in the @ ss. Lets say 45% of the population is Dem loyalists looking to vote out Walker. Only thing to do with them is make sure they show up or stay home depending on who you're rooting for. The wild card is the 10-20% of the population who shows up just to vote against somebody. Walker's the incumbent. Will 5% of the voters be people who want to take the sitting governor down a peg even though they could care less about union rights? Maybe...

In a regular election, you bet. But I think a sizable amount of those anti incumbent folks are also probably folks who think the entire recall idea is dumb, a waste of time, a waste of money, what have you. Who says they show up at all?

PPP found something similar when they polled 2 weeks ago. There's about 10% of Dems who aren't on board. Maybe that changes in the next month.

 

[Old Pio]

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You're overlooking a key demographic, which is people who just like to kick politicians in the @ ss. Lets say 45% of the population is Dem loyalists looking to vote out Walker. Only thing to do with them is make sure they show up or stay home depending on who you're rooting for. The wild card is the 10-20% of the population who shows up just to vote against somebody. Walker's the incumbent. Will 5% of the voters be people who want to take the sitting governor down a peg even though they could care less about union rights? Maybe...

At least one Walker voter put his life on the line and got sent to the hospital for his efforts. . .by his wife.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wiscon...an-after-vote-argument-ke5bdap-150697635.html

Chippewa Falls? Let's go have a Leinie's.

 

[XYZ]

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In a regular election, you bet. But I think a sizable amount of those anti incumbent folks are also probably folks who think the entire recall idea is dumb, a waste of time, a waste of money, what have you. Who says they show up at all?

I lived in Wisconsin for 25 years but no longer do. Were I still living there, I'd vote for Walker in the recall even though I never would vote for him in a normal election. I'd do so solely because I see no grounds whatsoever for a recall election and find the whole circus to be nothing but a joke executed by a bunch of children. Don't like legislation that was passed legally? Fine, vote the guy out next time around -- the same way it's worked forever.

For what it's worth, I live in Minnesota now but if Dayton (a Dem) passed something in the same normal manner and people acted like a bunch of babies like those in Wisconsin are I'd vote to keep him in, too. I don't even care what the political issue in question might be. Same goes for Obama (were such a recall possible, of course).

Long story short, I'd vote for Walker simply because the recall is a joke. I have no idea if that mentality will be pervasive enough to make any difference in the end, but I can assure you that it does exist over there to an extent greater than zero.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Here's the PPP writeup I mentioned earlier, couldn't find it on my phone:

When we polled Wisconsin in February, we asked a question about whether Wisconsin voters generally think the state should have recall elections. Around 10% of voters who disapprove of Scott Walker also said that they don't believe in recall elections. That means for a politician to get recalled they have to be really unpopular—even if 51 or 52% of voters disapprove of you, there are enough that don't believe in recalls that you can still survive. I think Walker—and the state senators at risk—probably need to have somewhere in the range of 54-55% of voters unhappy with them to get removed from office. That's a tough bar for Democrats to reach.

We saw in almost all the recalls last summer—whether it was Democratic or Republican Senators being targeted—that most undecided voters moved against the recalls in the closing stretch.

 

[FreshFish]

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Apparently they're cool with it

Not quite, that's merely revisionist history. During the primary campaign itself, they said something very, very different about Mayor Barrett.

Unions invested heavily in Ms. Falk's campaign. Now their challenge will be to support a candidate that the state's biggest public sector union—AFSCME—vehemently opposed and accused of "rewriting history."

 

[MavKato]

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I lived in Wisconsin for 25 years but no longer do. Were I still living there, I'd vote for Walker in the recall even though I never would vote for him in a normal election. I'd do so solely because I see no grounds whatsoever for a recall election and find the whole circus to be nothing but a joke executed by a bunch of children. Don't like legislation that was passed legally? Fine, vote the guy out next time around -- the same way it's worked forever.

For what it's worth, I live in Minnesota now but if Dayton (a Dem) passed something in the same normal manner and people acted like a bunch of babies like those in Wisconsin are I'd vote to keep him in, too. I don't even care what the political issue in question might be. Same goes for Obama (were such a recall possible, of course).

Long story short, I'd vote for Walker simply because the recall is a joke. I have no idea if that mentality will be pervasive enough to make any difference in the end, but I can assure you that it does exist over there to an extent greater than zero.

That's my question in this whole thing as well. If Walker loses the recall election, does that set up the new governor for an almost immediate recall election, and then it becomes a never ending cycle of recall after recall?

 

[Kepler]

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Not quite, that's merely revisionist history.

But you asked how unions feel about it, as in now, and what they are putting out now is that they are backing Barrett. This is exactly the same as righties who hated Romney suddenly "realizing" that he's presidential timber. Why?

 

[FreshFish]

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But you asked how unions feel about it, as in now, and what they are putting out now is that they are backing Barrett.

The unions are gritting their teeth and holding their nose, which is how they feel. They are merely backing Barrett anyway to try to save face. They must realize by now that they've overreached and are trying their hardest to mitigate the damage.

 

[Timothy A]

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But you asked how unions feel about it, as in now, and what they are putting out now is that they are backing Barrett.

What else are they going to do? Sure, Barrett p/o'ed the Unions when he ran (the Unions told Barrett not to run, they wanted to run Faulk against Walker, but he ran anyway), but in the end they want Walker gone, so they'd stick their tails between their legs and go over to Barrett.