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Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

The Illini club team played in Chicago instead of Champaign this weekend. I was quite surprised to see this lengthy article in the Chicago Tribune bemoaning the lack of college hockey in Illinois. Worth the read.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ge-hockey-spt-1005-20140927-story.html#page=1



After graduating from Lake Forest High School, Cody Murphy hoped to play college hockey in Illinois.

The problem: No Divison I schools in his home state have varsity hockey teams.

"It would be nice for a lot of Chicagoans to have a place to call home," Murphy said. "There are a lot of really good prospects that come out of the Chicagoland area."

Instead, he plays at Miami of Ohio, which heavily and successfully recruits Chicago-area talent. The RedHawks are one of many hockey teams that eagerly welcome players from Illinois.

Illinois is one of the nation's most fertile grounds for youth hockey. The Blackhawks' success has inspired a legion of new fans and players.

Yet since Illinois-Chicago's varsity program melted away in 1996, the only hockey available at Division I universities is at the club level. (The state has Division III programs at Lake Forest College and Aurora University.)

Illinois, Northwestern, Northern Illinois and DePaul, which all field D-I athletics, have no plans to elevate their club teams to varsity status. Their budgets, school spokesmen said, are devoted to maintaining and improving current sports programs.

There certainly wouldn't be a lack of in-state talent if they did.

Sixty-six players in college hockey last season were from Illinois, ranking the state sixth nationally, according to College Hockey Inc. That marks a 53 percent growth rate over the last decade.

Nine Illinois natives are on the six Big Ten hockey rosters: four at Wisconsin, two at Michigan and one each at Ohio State, Michigan State and Penn State (Minnesota is the sixth team).

Division I hockey's 59 programs are concentrated in only 19 states, and none of the states without a team produces as many players as Illinois.

"If you took just a team of Illinois players and projected it, it would be favored to win the national championship," said Mike Snee, executive director of College Hockey Inc.

Among players registered in 2012-13 with USA Hockey, Illinois ranked sixth with 29,977, behind longtime breeding grounds Minnesota, Michigan, New York, Massachusetts and Pennsylvania. That marked an 8.4 percent increase from the previous season.

Since 2008-09, Illinois has picked up more than 8,000 players for a 36.6 percent growth rate.

On paper, at least, Illinois seems perfectly suited for a college hockey program.

"It could work really well here," said former UIC coach Larry Pedrie, who now runs hockey camps and clinics. "There are better players locally than there were 20 years ago. … There are seven schools in Michigan with D-I (hockey), and you're going to tell me Illinois can't have one?"

Pricey pursuit

So why must these players go out of state to pursue college hockey? Simply put: money.

In-state universities acknowledge the burgeoning interest, but the costs are intimidating.

Hockey insiders say the sport is second in operating budgets behind only football, which brings in millions of dollars to universities that hockey would not. To implement a D-I hockey program or elevate a club program to varsity would take between $1.5 million and $2 million.

Michigan estimated a few years ago it would spend as much as $5 million to replace aging ice equipment.

A startup team at most universities would require a new facility. Illinois' facility is small and aging. Northern Illinois has played its club games in Geneva.

Schools also would be required by law to add a women's sport to maintain gender equity. Women's ice hockey, which has also grown through the years, would be a logical but similarly costly choice.

The 18 maximum scholarships allowed by the NCAA also carry a financial burden.

"It's not like you can sit back and say there's no interest," said Joe Battista, the former club coach at Penn State who is now an NHL administrator with the Sabres. "That's not the case.

"It is a bit frustrating that you have that kind of interest throughout the country, but historically hockey has not been looked at as a varsity sport in places because of the budgetary challenges that most athletic departments are going through right now. The timing for an area like Illinois is just perfect."

After decades of drum-beating, Battista's goal of Divison I hockey at Penn State was realized with a $102 million donation from Terry Pegula, the Sabres' owner and a Penn State graduate.

The school built a gleaming $90 million hockey facility and used remaining funds to endow scholarships. The rise in status helped usher in Big Ten hockey last season.

Some describe Penn State as a college hockey blueprint. But even Battista acknowledges there aren't many people willing to give away millions of dollars.

There certainly weren't when UIC's program was folding after 30 years. The program started in 1966 and became a Division I member in 1982.

In its 15 years as a D-I sport, the Flames went 202-326-31. The final seven seasons ended with losing records, including a 9-24-3 mark in the final season, and interest waned.

According to a Tribune report at the time, the UIC hockey program lost about $600,000 in its final season.

'The ideal place'

Yet Battista said there are methods to make a hockey program work in Illinois today.

Hockey attracts a financially upper-class fan base, Battista said, making for a potentially more lucrative bank of donors. An ice rink does not require the level of grandeur as Penn State's. Sharing facilities with minor league teams could help offset costs.

A college in Illinois would not have to spend as much scouring the nation in recruiting with so much talent in local USHL junior teams such as the Chicago Mission, Bloomington Thunder and Chicago Steel.

"I got laughed at for a long time for having the dream," Battista said. "All it was was finding people with a shared passion who wanted to leave a mark. It can be done."

Blackhawks President John McDonough said he has not been approached to work with an in-state university to create a varsity program.

"If they came to us, we would tell them what we believe is the maximum potential," he said. "If we were approached, we would encourage and embrace it. It's hard to work in the inverse. For us to go to them, we're kind of meddling in their business."

McDonough is tuned in to what he called the "explosion" of youth hockey membership in the state and how it has correlated to the Hawks' success. Their first-round draft pick in 2013 was Ryan Hartman, a West Dundee native who played with the Mission.

"It's just an economics exercise, that commitment we'd have to make to develop a Division I program and (finding) who would be willing to do that," McDonough said. "As far as the ability to feed those programs, that's possible right now."

John Olen, a junior at Illinois from Lake Zurich, can't help but feel jealous when he sees Division I athletes on campus. He puts in nearly as much practice time yet gets none of the perks.

"It's kind of like, 'Oh, you're on the club team,' " said Olen, who played two seasons in the North American Hockey League before picking Illinois over Division III programs. "It's still nice to play. You get some recognition. But it's not like you're on the football team or basketball team."

Unlike some schools that fully fund their club sports through recreation budgets, Illinois' hockey club receives limited free ice time from the university and uses fundraising and fees to reach its annual budget of up to $200,000.

Players pay $1,700 for a year of hockey, covering travel and some equipment. They're responsible for their own skates (as much as $850) and sticks (as much as $250). Olen said he goes through five or six sticks a season.

But there's still satisfaction.

The Illini field a successful program in the competitive American Collegiate Hockey Association, winning the championship in 2008. The club team's ticket sales and revenue production trail only the varsity football and basketball teams, selling out nearly every game in the 1,200-seat arena, coach Nick Fabbrini said.

"We do pretty well," he said. "I think that Illinois would probably be the ideal place to have a college Division I team."

Only four teams have been added in Division I since 2000, including Penn State in 2012.

College hockey also is becoming a more consistent feeder for the NHL, which historically gleaned talent from the major junior ranks, where players lose eligibility.

McDonough said the Blackhawks have devoted more scouting to the college level "like never before." Forward Ben Smith played four seasons at Boston College, while stars such as Jonathan Toews (North Dakota), Patrick Sharp (Vermont) and Duncan Keith (Michigan State) each played two seasons.

Despite the growth of hockey, Fabbrini is not optimistic.

"I don't think there's any kind of push from the university before the Big Ten Conference (added hockey) or even after it," he said. "I don't think the university really is too invested in it.

"But especially with new facilities, you'd get most of those (in-state) kids and be pretty competitive right away."
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Let's not forget the pernicious effect of what FBS football has become. Once upon a time, ADs and football coaches, especially in the B1G, took pride in pointing out which classroom buildings, labs, and dorms were paid for by football money. No more. Although most Power-5 football programs rake in more and more $$$$ from more and more revenue streams, pretty much all of it is pumped back into the football program in the form of obscene coaches salaries and gold-plated football-only practice facilities, living quarters, etc. Some schools even find a way to operate at a loss on paper and draw money from university general funds.

Let's face it. FBS football, especially in the so-called Power-5 conferences, has become a pariah that is forcing ADs at some places to cut non-revenue sports in order to free up resources that can be fed to the football monster. So, in the face of this, the prospect of starting up a D1 hockey program at pretty much any FBS school is a dead issue, unless a Terry Pegula type shows up with pockets that are deep enough to both pay for the startup costs and endow the downstream operating costs. And that doesn't even get to the Title IX implications.

Just the way it is these days.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Ann Arbor football is so bad that fans have to resort to bragging about academics!

Fooball is a serious issue right now, there is no denying that. However, seeing as how I've never played any D1 sports while attending Michigan, the academics were always a major factor to me.
 
Let's not forget the pernicious effect of what FBS football has become. Once upon a time, ADs and football coaches, especially in the B1G, took pride in pointing out which classroom buildings, labs, and dorms were paid for by football money. No more. Although most Power-5 football programs rake in more and more $$$$ from more and more revenue streams, pretty much all of it is pumped back into the football program in the form of obscene coaches salaries and gold-plated football-only practice facilities, living quarters, etc. Some schools even find a way to operate at a loss on paper and draw money from university general funds.

Let's face it. FBS football, especially in the so-called Power-5 conferences, has become a pariah that is forcing ADs at some places to cut non-revenue sports in order to free up resources that can be fed to the football monster. So, in the face of this, the prospect of starting up a D1 hockey program at pretty much any FBS school is a dead issue, unless a Terry Pegula type shows up with pockets that are deep enough to both pay for the startup costs and endow the downstream operating costs. And that doesn't even get to the Title IX implications.

Just the way it is these days.

lolwut
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Title IX is what's going to prevent most schools from adding a men's hockey program. I find it sad that the B1G women play in the WCHA and CHA. What's up with that? And Michigan only has a club team. I'm surprised the feminists in A2 haven't noticed that.

I'd like to see a women's program at Michigan Tech. There are plenty of high school teams in the UP to draw from, however, when I asked Pres. Mroz about Title IX, he said, "We're already spending more money on women's sports than we have to." referring to Tech's 4 to 1 ratio... :rolleyes:
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Not so fast with Lacrosse Joecct. Strength of schedule is very important in lax. Takes a while to get respectable.. No way MD and Hop want 2 upstarts in their league. Michigan and RU are no great shakes. Only 14 games, so you need tough games.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Not so fast with Lacrosse Joecct. Strength of schedule is very important in lax. Takes a while to get respectable.. No way MD and Hop want 2 upstarts in their league. Michigan and RU are no great shakes. Only 14 games, so you need tough games.
??? You really think that if Purdue, Indiana, or Illinois decided to start a lacrosse team that Maryland (joined 2014) and JHU (affiliate member only) would have the pull to stop them? If those schools want to play lacrosse, they will be in the B1G any time they want to be.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

However, seeing as how I've never played any D1 sports while attending Michigan, the academics were always a major factor to me.

Something tells me you weren't exactly varsity on that either.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Having been in CT my whole life, I don't see UConn being left out. If freaking Rutgers gets invited, so will we. We'd be the gateway to New England. Unless you want to add one or both of the UMass campuses. Which would actually be very cool. Long way to go for either UMass to develop enough, though.

Rutgers vs Princeton isn't the first game of gridiron football. It was Harvard vs Tufts in 1875. Oblong ball. Have fun abusing Rutgers fans with this info.

http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/archive/2004/april/briefs/
 
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Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Lacrosse is the next big thing.

No. As for as lax goes, just look at the comparison of televised games on BTN. Hockey is shown much more than lax...and that's for a reason. Hockey is a major revenue sport in this country...and college hockey can leverage that. But to the broader point, there is no next big thing in college sports. For the most part, the programs are what they will be.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

No. As for as lax goes, just look at the comparison of televised games on BTN. Hockey is shown much more than lax...and that's for a reason. Hockey is a major revenue sport in this country...and college hockey can leverage that. But to the broader point, there is no next big thing in college sports. For the most part, the programs are what they will be.

What you're saying is true, but it's kind of silly go look at TV games on BTN when comparing hockey and lacrosse. Until this year, the only Big Ten schools with D-I men's lacrosse teams were Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan, who started their D-I program just 3 years ago. BTN has no interest in showing a Virginia-Syracuse game. (To be clear, I agree with the rest of your comment, not to discount the growth lacrosse has seen recently.)
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Need someone to do a safety check on Butch. He could be dead in a New Orleans alley after that big barburner 12-3 loss to Tulane last night.
 
Need someone to do a safety check on Butch. He could be dead in a New Orleans alley after that big barburner 12-3 loss to Tulane last night.
A 12-3 loss in football to a lousy team. A 7-1loss in hockey to last year's Bi6 cellar dweller. Remind me again what they bring to the conference. Oh, that's right - entry into the NYC market. That, you know, we already got into with Rutgers.
 
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