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Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

LynahFan said:
Nothing in my experience indicates that any school ever has "quotas" for where their grad students come from. Does the B1G really "look after its own" in this way?
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I don't know for sure but I'd think not. However, while looking at an application for Grad. school of course the persons undergrad. is looked at. If it is another BIG school versus a MAC school you can bet the B1G alum will get preference if all other things are equal. Now if it was a B1G alum vs. a PAC-12 alum I see no diference, the committee would need to nit-pick more.
 
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UMICH said:
I don't know for sure but I'd think not. However, while looking at an application for Grad. school of course the persons undergrad. is looked at. If it is another BIG school versus a MAC school you can bet the B1G alum will get preference if all other things are equal. Now if it was a B1G alum vs. a PAC-12 alum I see no diference, the committee would need to nit-pick more.
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Remember that the Pac-12 includes not only Stanford and Cal, but also Arizona State.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

UMICH said:
I don't know for sure but I'd think not. However, while looking at an application for Grad. school of course the persons undergrad. is looked at. If it is another BIG school versus a MAC school you can bet the B1G alum will get preference if all other things are equal. Now if it was a B1G alum vs. a PAC-12 alum I see no diference, the committee would need to nit-pick more.
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I think you're conflating overall academic soundness with conference affiliation. Does the University of Iowa's admissions committee really look any differently at Rutgers or UMd grads now than they did 4 years ago? If so, that would be clear evidence for a "conference bump."
 
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UMICH said:
I went to Michigan for Grad. school and there was not one ohio state graduate in my program. There were in other programs though (I think).
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prior self-selection? I never said I'd apply to a rival... I'm just saying the schools probably don't factor it in ;)
 
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It apparently isn't turning out rocket surgeons.
 
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WiscDC said:
Remember that the Pac-12 includes not only Stanford and Cal, but also Arizona State.
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Stanford and Cal equate to Northwestern and Michigan. Arizona State is michigan state. There is no difference.

What was your point again?
 
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UMICH said:
Stanford and Cal equate to Northwestern and Michigan. Arizona State is michigan state. There is no difference.

What was your point again?
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MSU is AAU. AZ ST is not. There is a difference.
 
Re: Who will be the 7th member of the Big Ten Hockey Conference?

UMICH said:
Stanford and Cal equate to Northwestern and Michigan. Arizona State is michigan state. There is no difference.

What was your point again?
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5mn_Major said:
MSU is AAU. AZ ST is not. There is a difference.
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Also, the admission standards are way different, if you put down your maize and blue glasses for a second. The academic reputations of the schools at the bottom of the Big Ten are notably greater than those at the bottom of the Pac-12. That's my point.
 
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5mn_Major said:
MSU is AAU. AZ ST is not. There is a difference.
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sparty is AAU for cows and teachers. You know what they say, "Those who can do, those who can't teach." sparty is a party school, much like ASU. sparty is riding the coat-tails of the quality universities of the B1G.
 
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WiscDC said:
Also, the admission standards are way different, if you put down your maize and blue glasses for a second. The academic reputations of the schools at the bottom of the Big Ten are notably greater than those at the bottom of the Pac-12. That's my point.
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I guess that I can agree about the quality of the B1G lower schools being better than the lower PAC-12 schools...

Not sure that I'd be feverish about it though, I'd put the rankings in tiers:

Tier I: Northwestern, Michigan, Rutgers

Tier II: Maryland, Penn State, Wisconsin

Tier III: Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, ohio state

Tier IV: michigan state, Indiana, Nebraska
 
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UMICH said:
I guess that I can agree about the quality of the B1G lower schools being better than the lower PAC-12 schools...

Not sure that I'd be feverish about it though, I'd put the rankings in tiers:

Tier I: Northwestern, Michigan, Rutgers

Tier II: Maryland, Penn State, Wisconsin

Tier III: Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, ohio state

Tier IV: michigan state, Indiana, Nebraska
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Rankings Derived from US News Best Colleges for National Universities (listed in order of ranking)

Big Ten
Northwestern – 13th
Michigan – 29th
Illinois – 42nd
Wisconsin – 47th
Penn State – 48th
Ohio State – 54th
Maryland – 62nd
Purdue – 62nd
Rutgers – 70th
Iowa – 71st
Minnesota – 71st
Indiana – 76th
Michigan State – 85th
Nebraska – 99th

PAC-12
Stanford – 4th
UC – Berkeley – 20th
UCLA – 23rd
USC – 25th
Washington – 48th
Colorado – 88th
Oregon – 106th
Arizona – 121st
Arizona State – 129th
Utah – 129th
Oregon State – 138th
Washington State – 138th
 
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New Hampshire 'Cats Fan said:
Rankings Derived from US News Best Colleges for National Universities (listed in order of ranking)

Big Ten
Northwestern – 13th
Michigan – 29th
Illinois – 42nd
Wisconsin – 47th
Penn State – 48th
Ohio State – 54th
Maryland – 62nd
Purdue – 62nd
Rutgers – 70th
Iowa – 71st
Minnesota – 71st
Indiana – 76th
Michigan State – 85th
Nebraska – 99th

PAC-12
Stanford – 4th
UC – Berkeley – 20th
UCLA – 23rd
USC – 25th
Washington – 48th
Colorado – 88th
Oregon – 106th
Arizona – 121st
Arizona State – 129th
Utah – 129th
Oregon State – 138th
Washington State – 138th
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What is the basis for these rankings? What, exactly, is being ranked?
 
UMICH said:
sparty is AAU for cows and teachers. You know what they say, "Those who can do, those who can't teach." sparty is a party school, much like ASU. sparty is riding the coat-tails of the quality universities of the B1G.
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Ann Arbor football is so bad that fans have to resort to bragging about academics!
 
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Red Cows said:
What is the basis for these rankings? What, exactly, is being ranked?
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How Schools are Ranked by U.S. News:

Undergraduate academic reputation (22.5 percent)
Student retention (22.5 percent)
Faculty resources (20 percent)
Student selectivity (12.5 percent)
Financial resources (10 percent)
Graduation rate performance (7.5 percent)
Alumni giving rate (5 percent)

More in-depth breakdown can be found here
 
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New Hampshire 'Cats Fan said:
How Schools are Ranked by U.S. News:

Undergraduate academic reputation (22.5 percent)
Student retention (22.5 percent)
Faculty resources (20 percent)
Student selectivity (12.5 percent)
Financial resources (10 percent)
Graduation rate performance (7.5 percent)
Alumni giving rate (5 percent)

More in-depth breakdown can be found here
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Thanks.

Not surprised to see UNL ranked so low, either.

Right after being accepted into the Big 10, the school was kicked out of the American Association of Universities:

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/26078/nebraska-loses-aau-status

http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/

Nebraska was the first school to be kicked out of the AAU in the organization's 111 years (then) of existence.
 
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