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UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

JC, no disrespect, and all UVM marijuana jokes aside, you're seriously HIGH as a kite if you think HE is anywhere near as good as the WCHA. The talent is more significant there, there are more high-end teams, it is more competitive, etc. 1 game, where someone finished in the league standings, and head to head is absolutely pointless to rest an argument on because you could have the best teams in HE going against the worst teams in the WCHA and vice versa to get that record.

For instance, take the average final RPI (or Krach) of the teams. That's a reasonable way to measure if you want to use data to back it up instead of just going by what the eyes see. Hockey East would have been 2nd in the Big 4 conferences and not by a large margin behind the WCHA in terms of average RPI of their teams. Of course it helped that HE had a load of mediocre teams last year (6 teams in the 19-29 slots). That seems like that would make HE mediocre to me. The WCHA had 4 of the top 6 teams in RPI then had things spread out with 2 in the teens, 1 in the 20s, 2 in the 30s, and 1 in the 50s. Naturally, when you have a lot of high end teams, you will have teams suffer on the bottom end, especially if they do poorly OOC (and again, who do they play head to head and is that an even matchup?). That's just the way the distribution works.
 
Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Nick Papagiorgio said:
JC, no disrespect, and all UVM marijuana jokes aside, you're seriously HIGH as a kite if you think HE is anywhere near as good as the WCHA.
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I'm not high, a little sleep deprived, but not high and I do think that HE is competitive with th WCHA although you made a good point and have swayed me a little bit. More on that below

Nick Papagiorgio said:
The talent is more significant there, there are more high-end teams, it is more competitive, etc. 1 game, where someone finished in the league standings, and head to head is absolutely pointless to rest an argument on because you could have the best teams in HE going against the worst teams in the WCHA and vice versa to get that record.
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This is a good point and I don't have the time or the care to analyze the wins and losses to see the comparison of which teams won which. It is one measure, likely not the best. However, I think with the 60 games it likely evens out quite a bit. Head to Head WCHA v. HE the difference was 3 ties more for the WCHA. So I think that the good v. bad or bad v. good goes both ways and results in a wash.

Nick Papagiorgio said:
For instance, take the average final RPI (or Krach) of the teams. That's a reasonable way to measure if you want to use data to back it up instead of just going by what the eyes see. Hockey East would have been 2nd in the Big 4 conferences and not by a large margin behind the WCHA in terms of average RPI of their teams. Of course it helped that HE had a load of mediocre teams last year (6 teams in the 19-29 slots). That seems like that would make HE mediocre to me. The WCHA had 4 of the top 6 teams in RPI then had things spread out with 2 in the teens, 1 in the 20s, 2 in the 30s, and 1 in the 50s. Naturally, when you have a lot of high end teams, you will have teams suffer on the bottom end, especially if they do poorly OOC (and again, who do they play head to head and is that an even matchup?). That's just the way the distribution works.
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You make some good point here. And as such I retract my statement that HE was tops. I agree that the WCHA was slightly better. That said, I stand by the statement that HE was above average. With 6 conferences and HE at a minimum the 2nd best conference that still puts them above average. And with the NC coming back again....I think they should get the benefit of the doubt. But I will concede the point, they may not be the best, but they are above average.
 
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:eek: jcarter being reasonable... :eek:

When I say "below average" I need to clarify I'm really comparing to HE standards of prior years and not the rest of the country for this year. Otherwise, yea, they'd be above average if you consider they were 2nd in the country in average RPI. Still, comparing to a highly above average year of 1999 and some other average years where HE might have more teams in the tourney, having some higher seeds, more teams going into the 2nd rd or FF, etc etc etc it's probably below average although it seems that it's becoming the average more and more lately (can't say I think HE has been awesome lately but my days in school were during the UNH/BC/Maine glory days from 1998-2001 when they were all nasty although Mack and UMA were pitifully bad.)

Here are the numbers if you were curious how they looked. Didn't bother with mid-majors.

WCHA 19.40
HE 21.40
CCHA 24.58
ECAC 33.67
 
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Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Nick Papagiorgio said:
:eek: jcarter being reasonable... :eek:

When I say "below average" I need to clarify I'm really comparing to HE standards of prior years and not the rest of the country for this year. Otherwise, yea, they'd be above average if you consider they were 2nd in the country in average RPI. Still, comparing to a highly above average year of 1999 and some other average years where HE might have more teams in the tourney, having some higher seeds, more teams going into the 2nd rd or FF, etc etc etc it's probably below average although it seems that it's becoming the average more and more lately (can't say I think HE has been awesome lately but my days in school were during the UNH/BC/Maine glory days from 1998-2001 when they were all nasty although Mack and UMA were pitifully bad.)

Here are the numbers if you were curious how they looked. Didn't bother with mid-majors.

WCHA 19.40
HE 21.40
CCHA 24.58
ECAC 33.67
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Well, here's hoping that changes around and HE starts the upward trend towards domination again.

MC can be a contender, UNH is always good. You can never count out BU and BC will be the class of the field unless something unbelivable occurs. UVM will be competitive and has a shot at returning to the tourney. UML, UMA, PC should find there way to the bottom and NU is a question mark, but could make some noise. With Maine looking as if they have a solid tender coming in they should also make the tourney. If I was a betting man, and I am, I can see HE placing at least 4 in the tourney or more. But hey, it's June so who knows:confused:
 
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Good catch, I'd missed the SLU game.

Date/Opponent

Oct 8/Denver
Oct 9/Denver
Oct30/Maine
Nov6/@ Providence
Dec5/@ UNH
Dec8/@ Yale
Dec18/ @ SLU
Jan1/ Ohio State (Catamount Cup)
Jan2/ Army/Other (Catamount Cup)
Feb4/Providence
Feb5/Providence
Feb11/@ Maine
Feb12/@Maine
Feb18/UNH
Feb19/UNH
 
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Date/Opponent

Oct 8/Denver
Oct 9/Denver
Oct30/Maine
Nov6/@ Providence
Dec5/@ UNH
Dec8/@ Yale
Dec18/ @ SLU
Jan1/ Ohio State (Catamount Cup)
Jan2/ Army/Other (Catamount Cup)
Feb4/Providence
Feb5/Providence
Feb11/@ Maine
Feb12/@Maine
Feb18/UNH
Feb19/UNH
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I think you can also add:

Nov 26th/ Northeastern
Dec. 12th/@Dartmouth
Jan 14/@Northeastern
Jan. 15th/@Northeastern
Mar. 4th/Lowell
Mar. 5th/Lowell
 
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Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Thanks....I found the Northeastern and Dartmouth schedules, but where did you find Lowell?
 
Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

With those added, plus it looks like we play Harvard in 2nd game of Catamount Cup according to uscho schedule.

Date/Opponent

Oct 8/Denver
Oct 9/Denver
Oct30/Maine
Nov6/@ Providence
Nove26/Northeastern
Dec5/@ UNH
Dec8/@ Yale
Dec18/ @ SLU
Jan1/ Ohio State (Catamount Cup)
Jan2/ Harvard (Catamount Cup)
Jan14/@ Northeastern
Jan15/@ Northeastern
Feb4/Providence
Feb5/Providence
Feb11/@ Maine
Feb12/@Maine
Feb18/UNH
Feb19/UNH
March4/UML
March5/UML
 
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From the UVM website

Vermont's all-time leading scorer in men's hockey, Martin St. Louis '97 of the Tampa Bay Lightning, has added the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy to his list of accomplishments. St. Louis was named the Lady Byng recipient at the 2010 NHL Awards Ceremony in Las Vegas on Wednesday evening.

The Lady Byng Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the NHL player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability. The winner is selected in a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association
 
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Cat lover said:
From the UVM website

Vermont's all-time leading scorer in men's hockey, Martin St. Louis '97 of the Tampa Bay Lightning, has added the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy to his list of accomplishments. St. Louis was named the Lady Byng recipient at the 2010 NHL Awards Ceremony in Las Vegas on Wednesday evening.

The Lady Byng Memorial Trophy is an annual award given to the NHL player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability. The winner is selected in a poll of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association
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Congrats to Marty. It is really quite a bit of a cinderella story for him after toiling in the minors, getting little chance for the Flames and then to move on to win a Stanley Cup, NHL All-star, Olympian, Art Ross, Pearson, Hart and now a Lady Bing. :eek: :eek:

Awesome for him.
 
Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Brickley taken 20th pick of the second round. 50th overall by FLA. Does that make him UVM's highest recruit?
 
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Its nice to see we got 2 draftees this year until you look at what the big names did again in the 7 rounds listed.

North Dakota 7
Minnesota 6
Norte Dame 5
BC 4
Michigan 4
Denver 3
UMD 3

Alot of prospects went west this year.
 
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Catamount93 said:
With those added, plus it looks like we play Harvard in 2nd game of Catamount Cup according to uscho schedule.

Date/Opponent

Oct 8/Denver
Oct 9/Denver
Oct30/Maine
Nov6/@ Providence
Nove26/Northeastern
Dec5/@ UNH
Dec8/@ Yale
Dec18/ @ SLU
Jan1/ Ohio State (Catamount Cup)
Jan2/ Harvard (Catamount Cup)
Jan14/@ Northeastern
Jan15/@ Northeastern
Feb4/Providence
Feb5/Providence
Feb11/@ Maine
Feb12/@Maine
Feb18/UNH
Feb19/UNH
March4/UML
March5/UML
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Dartmouth on Dec. 12th. at DC.
 
Re: UVM Offseason Thread - building for a 3rd Straight Bid

Cat lover said:
Its nice to see we got 2 draftees this year until you look at what the big names did again in the 7 rounds listed.

North Dakota 7
Minnesota 6
Norte Dame 5
BC 4
Michigan 4
Denver 3
UMD 3

Alot of prospects went west this year.
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A lot did go west, but I think when you league wise VT did well.

HE had 10 picks :

BC = 4
VT = 2
BU = 2
ME = 1
UML = 1

Still surpised White wasn't drafted, looks like that year off hurt him in the eyes of the NHL clubs. Ranked near 100 on the CSS final report. Be interesting to see how he shows up at the Gutt.
 
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Originally Posted by Catamount93 View Post
With those added, plus it looks like we play Harvard in 2nd game of Catamount Cup according to uscho schedule.

Date/Opponent

Oct 8/Denver
Oct 9/Denver
Oct30/Maine
Nov6/@ Providence
Nove26/Northeastern
Dec5/@ UNH
Dec8/@ Yale
Dec18/ @ SLU
Jan1/ Ohio State (Catamount Cup)
Jan2/ Harvard (Catamount Cup)
Jan14/@ Northeastern
Jan15/@ Northeastern
Feb4/Providence
Feb5/Providence
Feb11/@ Maine
Feb12/@Maine
Feb18/UNH
Feb19/UNH
March4/UML
March5/UML

Dartmouth on Dec. 12th. at DC.
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Add January 8 BU
February 25th @BU
February 26th @BU
 
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