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Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

You might be surprised...As long as the beer is flowing,Utica townies might show up just for the sake of something to do,right?(It's a shame that none of those metro areas you mentioned lack "townies" with few entertainment options,but what ya gonna do?)

Granted,Utica isn't the cultural center that is Fredonia/Plattsburgh/Morrisville/Geneseo...But maybe if The Met isn't giving a performance of La Traviata in any of those hot-spots on the weekend in question,some people will deign to show up in this backwater..?It could happen!

You're pretty witty.

Didn't intend to bag on your home town. I was just suggesting that the locals may not turn out in droves to see teams other than the Pioneers play, in which case leaving it the way it is with the higher seed hosting makes the most sense. You seem to imply that so long as beer is sold, attendance won't be a problem (even though as stated, if they were to ever host a NCAA round or Final Four there would certainly be no beer sold.) I guess you'd know better than me. Wait, which one of us is perpetuating the Utica townie stereotype again?
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

You're pretty witty.

Didn't intend to bag on your home town. I was just suggesting that the locals may not turn out in droves to see teams other than the Pioneers play, in which case leaving it the way it is with the higher seed hosting makes the most sense. You seem to imply that so long as beer is sold, attendance won't be a problem (even though as stated, if they were to ever host a NCAA round or Final Four there would certainly be no beer sold.) I guess you'd know better than me. Wait, which one of us is perpetuating the Utica townie stereotype again?

Problem with that comment is that I am most certainly not from anywhere near Utica,and I harbor not one iota of "home-town pride"...On the contrary,I consider the city of Utica to be,pound-for-pound,as seedy and depressing as it gets in the Northeast.(Sorta like Camden NJ on a much smaller scale.)The town's redeeming features are but two in number:they have a great brewery,and they play college hockey there.

I agree that no D-3 venue is likely to be filled if the home team isn't playing...And you're right:the highest seed should host no matter what,even if it's in some God-forsaken Podunk (which pretty much includes every SUNYAC town,last I checked.)It's only fair,to spread the misery around among the few fans who do travel. :)
 
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Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Problem with that comment is that I am most certainly not from anywhere near Utica,and I harbor not one iota of "home-town pride"... :)

Problem with that comment is that is that YOU list your location as "Central New York", which at best makes your statement a paradox ;)
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Hey now, nothing wrong with CNY...granted I did just get the hell out of there and move to Boston but still...
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

For your winter intercession reading pleasure, please find the 2010-11 SUNYAC Handbook here of note might include:

Page 27 of 179:
Section 7. Associate Members (“Associate Members” should replace term “Affiliate Members.”)
A. Associate Members shall be members who participate in certain, but not all, conference sports.

B. An institution that has been a full member of the Conference and seeks inclusion as an associate member must not have been a member of the Conference for a minimum of four years before seeking such status.

C. Any institution satisfying Article III, section 1 requesting associate membership in the Conference shall send to the Commissioner a written notice, a completed application and a non-refundable application fee of $2,000 seeking such admission.

D. Upon receipt, the Commissioner shall forward such a notice and a copy of the application to the Executive Committee and the Governing Body at least 30 days prior to its next regularly scheduled meeting of the application.

E. At the next regular scheduled meeting, consideration will be given to the inquiry and the Governing Body shall vote on the inquiring institution.
 Upon an institutional affirmative vote of three-quarters (3/4) of the entire Governing Body, the membership process will continue as set forth below. The vote shall be by written ballot and then the results shall be made public by the Commissioner and noted in the minutes of the meeting.
 If the required percentage of affirmative votes is not received, the membership process will terminate.
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 The Conference Commissioner and the Conference President by written letter shall notify the inquiring institution of the decision of the Governing Body relative to proceed with the membership process.

F. Once the Governing Body determines that the membership process should be enacted, the President and the Director of Athletics of the inquiring institution shall attend the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Governing Body to offer a presentation in support of their application. If the initial vote is taken at the fall meeting, then the presentation shall occur at the spring meeting. If the initial vote is taken at the spring meeting, then the presentation shall occur at the fall meeting.

G. After the presentation but before the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Governing Body, a representative group of the Governing Body (e.g. the Commissioner, two members of the Executive Committee, one SWA, one FAR and one at-large delegate) shall conduct a campus visit to the inquiring institution. At the next regularly scheduled meeting, the group shall report on its visit. Gender balance shall be maintained in the formation of the committee. No institution shall have more than one member on the committee. If the presentation occurs at the spring meeting, then the visit shall occur before the fall meeting. If the presentation occurs at the fall meeting, then the visit shall occur before the spring meeting.

H. After the report of the site visit group, the President of the Conference shall set the date for the final vote on the institution’s application for membership, which shall occur at the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Governing Body. If the site visit report occurs at the spring meeting, then the final vote shall be taken at the fall meeting. If the site visit report occurs at fall meeting, then the final vote shall occur at the spring meeting. Once the date has been set, the Scheduling Committee shall begin to draft schedules that reflect the potential inclusion of the inquiring institution into competition schedules.

I. The final vote shall be by written ballot and then the results shall be made public by the Commissioner and noted in the minutes of the meeting.


J. Upon affirmative institutional vote of three-quarters (3/4) of the entire membership, the inquiring institution shall be entitled to become a member of the Conference.

K. The elected institution shall become a member of the conference upon payment of their membership dues and shall have voting privileges upon receipt of their annual dues. No collection of dues shall occur before the final vote is taken.

L. Associate Members shall be entitled to the benefits specific to the sport for which they have been granted membership. Associate Members shall be permitted to vote only on matters directly affecting the sport or sports for which the Associate Member has been approved for membership. Associate Members may not serve on Governing Body committees.

M. Such voting privileges shall only be for the Director of Athletics (or designee) when the affiliated sport(s) are part of the agenda at a Governing Body meeting; and

N. The coach(es) of the sport(s) affiliated at their respective coaches meetings.

O. Associate Members shall pay annual dues of 20% of the full members’ annual dues requirement for each sport.

Also note worthy, IMO: (from here):

Other highlights from the meetings include continuing with the Utica College men's ice hockey affiliate membership application,

So, is it "associate membership" or "affiliate membership" :confused:
 
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Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

I hope Utica enjoys being the Boston College of D3 hockey. :D
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Could Utica applying for the SUNYAC be a "work in progress" ?? :eek::eek:
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Problem with that comment is that is that YOU list your location as "Central New York", which at best makes your statement a paradox ;)

Ummmm....No.

Was born in California,moved constantly as a kid,etc,etc.

Never said I was from here,just that I live here now by accident,pretty much.There's no reason to pride oneself on place of birth,anyway,as though one had anything to do with that.

Just talking turkey.Most of Upstate has slid downhill since I found it.This is the true Rust Belt now.Nobody wants to live here anymore,and the census data is clear on that point.(If not for college hockey,why not just hang yourself around here in the winter?)

Upstate is a series of decrepit towns along the Thruway.Weighing all the factors,no one burgh is any better than another,in the net.
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Ummmm....No.

Was born in California,moved constantly as a kid,etc,etc.

Never said I was from here,just that I live here now by accident,pretty much.There's no reason to pride oneself on place of birth,anyway,as though one had anything to do with that.

Just talking turkey.Most of Upstate has slid downhill since I found it.This is the true Rust Belt now.Nobody wants to live here anymore,and the census data is clear on that point.(If not for college hockey,why not just hang yourself around here in the winter?)

Upstate is a series of decrepit towns along the Thruway.Weighing all the factors,no one burgh is any better than another,in the net.

This is true, like the many great "empires" before them, New York as whole as seen is greatest years come and go - as has the entire Northeast. That said, it still has its share of Istanbul's (cities with their best yet to come) and probably some more Gary's (Indiana) to come.
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Just talking turkey.Most of Upstate has slid downhill since I found it.This is the true Rust Belt now.Nobody wants to live here anymore,and the census data is clear on that point.(If not for college hockey,why not just hang yourself around here in the winter?)

It's true, once my GF is done with college we're moving out of state, the taxes are too high here. Nothing can be done about the taxes I'm afraid, so I'm voting with my feet.
 
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Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

It's true, once my GF is done with college we're moving out of state, the taxes are too high here. Nothing can be done about the taxes I'm afraid, so I'm voting with my feet.

Taxes seem higher because property values are lower. (That's not all of it, but it's part of it.)


Powers &8^]
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Upstate is a series of decrepit towns along the Thruway.Weighing all the factors,no one burgh is any better than another,in the net.

I didn't realize that New York State only went as far north as the thruway...... with that logic I would almost think you were from NYC since Albany is as far upstate as most of them know....
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

I didn't realize that New York State only went as far north as the thruway...... with that logic I would almost think you were from NYC since Albany is as far upstate as most of them know....
Most from nyc consider anything north of the Tappan Zee "upstate"....sad
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Most from nyc consider anything north of the Tappan Zee "upstate"....sad

As I once explained to someone from Florida, I live in Plattsburgh, NY, less than one hour from Montreal, PQ and five hours from New York City!
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

I didn't realize that New York State only went as far north as the thruway...... with that logic I would almost think you were from NYC since Albany is as far upstate as most of them know....

Point taken.And it's true;even in the I-90 towns,we shudder to think of how remote a "frozen wasteland" it is in the North Country,as if we have it so good down here..!It's all relative,as Albert said.

We've made the the trip to Canton/Potsdam for some D-1 games,for instance,and 4 hours later on secondary roads,I was amazed at just how "remote" a place can be,and still be in New York State.(Great hockey atmosphere,though...French was spoken there.)
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

The trip from I-81 to Canton / Potsdam

Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
repeat until you hit Canton.
Repeat 2x add a Wal-Mart and then you're in Potsdam.
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

the trip from i-81 to canton / potsdam

dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Repeat until you hit canton.
Repeat 2x add a wal-mart and then you're in potsdam.

got milk?
 
Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - 12/14 Update

The trip from I-81 to Canton / Potsdam

Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
Dairy farm, dairy farm, dairy farm, town.
repeat until you hit Canton.
Repeat 2x add a Wal-Mart and then you're in Potsdam.

Nice synopsis.(I always feel sorry for the cows.)

But you forgot to add "stop for a drink in Gouveneur." Believe me,you're gonna need it!
 
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