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Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

admiral0417 said:
I didn't think I'd be gangbeat for MY OBSERVATION on why Plattsburgh is taking a Norwich game away and playing Canton, ...Bob doesn't even know where he was ranked until I told him, and doesn't care either. No one is calling him a hypocrite or whatever. If you have a better explanation for the Norwich/Canton swap, I'd be glad to hear it. The travel is virtually identical so that's not it. Instead of criticizing what I believe to be the reason, let's hear yours.
As far as predicting who will be a good team and who won't from year to year.....I think it's quite obvious that Norwich is a Top 5 team as long as Mike McShane is there. Other teams like this year's Utica and Hobart are less predictable, wouldn't you say? Perhaps softening up the sked just a bit could benefit you in the long run. I didn't say the Cards were going to replace ALL good teams with also-rans. Simply take a look at a few of the teams that were ranked ahead of Plattsburgh. Some have played VERY few ranked opponents and some played none OOC. They play the teams they HAVE TO and often fill out their OOC sked with "managable" opponents.
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As discussed, it seems that all SUNYAC teams are being 'forced' to schedule Canton.

admiral0417 said:
The way the system currently operates, a loss to Norwich is more costly than a loss to Canton.
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A loss to Norwich is more costly than a lose to Canton....BUT...a win vs. Norwich is far greater than a win vs. Canton....I got a feeling that Emery (and most competitors) are more worried about winning than losing. And to be honest Emery is probably more worried about how a game against a Norwich will impact his team's performance down the road.
 
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But you could dump Middlebury or Skidmore, couldn't you? It is true that a win vs. Norwich can really jumpstart your season. These views are my own and independent of what Bob thinks. I'm just trying to connect the dots. I think I'm right on.....you guys don't. Oh well!
 
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norm1909 said:
In football, the New Jersey Giants and New Jersey Jets call themselves "New York".
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...and the Orchard Park Bills have the stones to refer to themselves as the "Buffalo Bills". Just crazy, I tell ya!! :D

As for the conference discussion(s), disband all of 'em, and bring back conferences based exclusively upon regional affiliation. Ah, the good ol' NYCHA. :(
Hey, a man can dream...
 
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Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

admiral0417 said:
But you could dump Middlebury or Skidmore, couldn't you? It is true that a win vs. Norwich can really jumpstart your season. These views are my own and independent of what Bob thinks. I'm just trying to connect the dots. I think I'm right on.....you guys don't. Oh well!
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I would guess the decision to drop Norwich instead of one of the others comes from the fact that you would want to drop one of the Primelink teams, given that next year they will play one or the other of the two. That means drop either Midd or NU. In a year that they don't host, they know they have a game scheduled with one of them and could also play the other, depending on who wins/loses on day 1.

There may be more tradition in playing Midd than Norwich according to somebody's point of view. The fact of the matter is that Plattsburgh loses one NC opportunity next year to Canton, and after that they lose two, unless somebody leaves the league, or the schedule format is changed.
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
It's bad enough that one of the EcacWest members is all the way down in Aston, Pennsylvania...But Stevenson University? They're in Reistertown, Maryland. That's roughly 100 miles south of Aston where Neumann is... I'm not an expert here, but that doesn't seem like prime real estate for an EcacWest team. I mean travel wise, it's a lot on a team and expenses to go down there or viceversa...for a team such as Stevenson to come all the way north to play a Utica, Hobart, Nazareth etc.. :o
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Do you want an automatic bid for the ECAC West? I certainly after 20 years of following Elmira would like to see them finally play in a conference where the tournament champion is guaranteed a bid into the NCAA's.
 
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NUProf said:
I would guess the decision to drop Norwich instead of one of the others comes from the fact that you would want to drop one of the Primelink teams, given that next year they will play one or the other of the two. That means drop either Midd or NU. In a year that they don't host, they know they have a game scheduled with one of them and could also play the other, depending on who wins/loses on day 1.

There may be more tradition in playing Midd than Norwich according to somebody's point of view. The fact of the matter is that Plattsburgh loses one NC opportunity next year to Canton, and after that they lose two, unless somebody leaves the league, or the schedule format is changed.
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Not to mention that in 2014-15, they (all current SUNYAC teams) have to drop another NC (IMO, in Plattsburgh's case, the other Primelink team).
 
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admiral0417 said:
But you could dump Middlebury or Skidmore, couldn't you? It is true that a win vs. Norwich can really jumpstart your season. These views are my own and independent of what Bob thinks. I'm just trying to connect the dots. I think I'm right on.....you guys don't. Oh well!
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I don't see Plattsburgh dropping Skidmore because of the number of alumni in the Albany/Saratoga area and the satellite campus in the area as well. I'm sure there was talk about dropping Castleton, but with that partnership just starting I'm guessing that Bob didn't want to stop it without getting the return trip that was already scheduled.
 
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Just to throw my 2 cents into this whole discussion, I was speaking with someone tonight at the game and I mentioned Canton joining the SUNYAC conference. The person, who I would consider a great source, said," Not happening, no way.". I don't want to reveal who it was, but this individual is not associated with Potsdam.
 
Saints17 said:
Just to throw my 2 cents into this whole discussion, I was speaking with someone tonight at the game and I mentioned Canton joining the SUNYAC conference. The person, who I would consider a great source, said," Not happening, no way.". I don't want to reveal who it was, but this individual is not associated with Potsdam.
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How did he interpret the question? Was he thinking you asked about the whole school's sports teams or just the hockey team?
 
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Saints17 said:
Who said it was a he? I mentioned "associate status", the conversation took off from there.
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The SUNYAC and the ECAC West would be better served if associate members weren't allowed. Then the Roos and Ponys could join the ECAC West and put it over the top (been listening to too many Public Radio fund drives this week.)
 
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NUProf said:
The SUNYAC and the ECAC West would be better served if associate members weren't allowed. Then the Roos and Ponys could join the ECAC West and put it over the top (been listening to too many Public Radio fund drives this week.)
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While I agree, I see no reason the SUNYAC would disrupt schedules and harmonies and have every SUNYAC team schedule Canton just for kicks and giggles, particularly given that there is no prior SUNYAC association. My 2 cents is on Canton becoming an associate (if not full fledged) member of the SUNYAC. $46 million is a lot of money to a 4500 student school.
 
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NUProf said:
The SUNYAC and the ECAC West would be better served if associate members weren't allowed. Then the Roos and Ponys could join the ECAC West and put it over the top (been listening to too many Public Radio fund drives this week.)
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When did it become SUNY's job to help teh ECAC West get an auto bid? Besides, the SUNYAC is best served if the ECAC West doesn't have an auto-bid. It leaves 3 Pool C bids for SUNY teams to compete for. Granted, I can't see a scenario where an ECAC West team doesn't get one, but if they have an autobid, that's one less Pool C bid for SUNY to compete for....
 
spwood said:
When did it become SUNY's job to help teh ECAC West get an auto bid? Besides, the SUNYAC is best served if the ECAC West doesn't have an auto-bid. It leaves 3 Pool C bids for SUNY teams to compete for. Granted, I can't see a scenario where an ECAC West team doesn't get one, but if they have an autobid, that's one less Pool C bid for SUNY to compete for....
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Actually, with the WIAC leaving the NCHA next year, there will be 3 Pool C and one Pool B (1fewer AQ). So at this point, the ECAC-W getting an AQ would take away the Pool B, not a Pool C.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Actually, with the WIAC leaving the NCHA next year, there will be 3 Pool C and one Pool B (1fewer AQ). So at this point, the ECAC-W getting an AQ would take away the Pool B, not a Pool C.
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Actually, are we sure about this (I had forgotten about the WIAC)? As an established conference, would they still have the required wait and number of teams needed to get an auto-bid?
 
spwood said:
Actually, are we sure about this (I had forgotten about the WIAC)? As an established conference, would they still have the required wait and number of teams needed to get an auto-bid?
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I believe The MASCAC had to wait the 2 years, even though they are an established conference. The WIAC won't even have the numbers to start the 2 year clock.
 
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spwood said:
Actually, are we sure about this (I had forgotten about the WIAC)? As an established conference, would they still have the required wait and number of teams needed to get an auto-bid?
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With CSS & SNC not going to their party, they (the WIAC) are now fishing partners with the ECAC-West in their search to come up with 7 teams.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I believe The MASCAC had to wait the 2 years, even though they are an established conference. The WIAC won't even have the numbers to start the 2 year clock.
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True, while established DIII NCAA schools can add new sports without a waiting (probationary) status since there entire student body hasn't been tainted by DI/DII "perks", but this doesn't change the AQ requirements.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
If you actually believe that, I got a nice bridge going cheap in Brooklyn. The snow is free.
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He didn't know Mr. Jaslow. He really didn't. I could tell by the surprised look on his face. It was about an hour after they were released. Could be because he knows there's only one trail in to the NCAA's.
 
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