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Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

norm1909 said:
For the record, I posted to this old thread as rib on fishman - but that said - Canton is going to the SUNYAC as an Associate Member for Ice Hockey.
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Not good news for the ECAC West....Gotta hold out hope that Stevenson wants to start men's hockey as they have already started a women's program this year...
 
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Plattsburgh is replacing Norwich with Canton or various reasons I beleive. One thing that's been learned is the Overall Record seems to trump the SOS as far as NCAA rankings go. Emery is probably alright with playing Norwich just once (or not at all) in the Primelink and I don't blame him. The way the system currently operates, a loss to Norwich is more costly than a loss to Canton.

That fact, plus the Cards are sick of playing to #1's, #2's , etc and given the same treatment as playing #13, #15, etc as far as Record vs. Ranked. I totally understand the frustration. Teams like UM-Boston, Plymouth put up great W-L records with very little exposure to the top teams. If they go 2-1 vs. Ranked let's say by playing Castleton, Trinity and Middlebury...... and Plattsburgh goes 3-4 playing Oswego 2X, Norwich 2X, Amherst, etc, they win that portion of the metric.
 
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admiral0417 said:
Plattsburgh is replacing Norwich with Canton or various reasons I beleive. One thing that's been learned is the Overall Record seems to trump the SOS as far as NCAA rankings go. Emery is probably alright with playing Norwich just once (or not at all) in the Primelink and I don't blame him. The way the system currently operates, a loss to Norwich is more costly than a loss to Canton.

That fact, plus the Cards are sick of playing to #1's, #2's , etc and given the same treatment as playing #13, #15, etc as far as Record vs. Ranked. I totally understand the frustration. Teams like UM-Boston, Plymouth put up great W-L records with very little exposure to the top teams. If they go 2-1 vs. Ranked let's say by playing Castleton, Trinity and Middlebury...... and Plattsburgh goes 3-4 playing Oswego 2X, Norwich 2X, Amherst, etc, they win that portion of the metric.
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Emery has ALWAYS been the first person to point out how great it is that Plattsburgh plays such a tough schedule. So I'm pretty sure the perceived lessening of the weight of SOS (which is not always the case, weighting seems to vary ranking-to-ranking and year-to-year) had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to drop Norwich from the schedule. And while there are flaws in the "Record vs. ranked" system, attempting to gerrymander it at the expense of SOS is a great way to screw yourself in the long run.

If you are really saying that coach Emery is doing this because he agrees with your interpretation of things based on one published regional ranking (which came out long after we learned of this decision anyway), despite everything he's said in the past about how important it is to play as tough a schedule as possible, then - at best - you are calling him a liar and a hypocrite. But I'm sure that's not what you're really trying to say, is it?
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Not good news for the ECAC West....Gotta hold out hope that Stevenson wants to start men's hockey as they have already started a women's program this year...
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It's bad enough that one of the EcacWest members is all the way down in Aston, Pennsylvania...But Stevenson University? They're in Reistertown, Maryland. That's roughly 100 miles south of Aston where Neumann is... I'm not an expert here, but that doesn't seem like prime real estate for an EcacWest team. I mean travel wise, it's a lot on a team and expenses to go down there or viceversa...for a team such as Stevenson to come all the way north to play a Utica, Hobart, Nazareth etc.. :o
 
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admiral0417 said:
Plattsburgh is replacing Norwich with Canton or various reasons I beleive. One thing that's been learned is the Overall Record seems to trump the SOS as far as NCAA rankings go. Emery is probably alright with playing Norwich just once (or not at all) in the Primelink and I don't blame him. The way the system currently operates, a loss to Norwich is more costly than a loss to Canton.

That fact, plus the Cards are sick of playing to #1's, #2's , etc and given the same treatment as playing #13, #15, etc as far as Record vs. Ranked. I totally understand the frustration. Teams like UM-Boston, Plymouth put up great W-L records with very little exposure to the top teams. If they go 2-1 vs. Ranked let's say by playing Castleton, Trinity and Middlebury...... and Plattsburgh goes 3-4 playing Oswego 2X, Norwich 2X, Amherst, etc, they win that portion of the metric.
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Are the Cards sick of playing #1s and #2s and getting the 'same treatment' as #13s and #15s or is it YOU that is sick of them doing that?

That is ridiculous. Is Emery so smart that he would be able to predict who the #13, #14, #15 Regionally Ranked teams will be for the 2014 season and go ahead and try to schedule them? If that were the case, he should quit coaching and just win the lotto. Did Oswego schedule two games versus Utica this year knowing they be #1 in the Regional Rankings? Did they schedule two games this year knowing that Elmira would be a very average team this year?

The top tier teams try to schedule as hard a schedule as possible. They do it not with statistics and numbers in mind, but rather they want their team to experience what it will take to win a championship. Coach Emery hasn't scheduled teams like Norwich, Middlebury, and Elmira in the past with the mind set that it will improve his SOS so that Plattsburgh can be in good position to get a Pool C bid. He has scheduled those teams because he knows that win or lose, those games are lessons in the season that will only improve his team so that they are as prepared as possible to win games in late February & March, when it really counts!
 
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Ozz said:
Are the Cards sick of playing #1s and #2s and getting the 'same treatment' as #13s and #15s or is it YOU that is sick of them doing that?

That is ridiculous. Is Emery so smart that he would be able to predict who the #13, #14, #15 Regionally Ranked teams will be for the 2014 season and go ahead and try to schedule them? If that were the case, he should quit coaching and just win the lotto. Did Oswego schedule two games versus Utica this year knowing they be #1 in the Regional Rankings? Did they schedule two games this year knowing that Elmira would be a very average team this year?

The top tier teams try to schedule as hard a schedule as possible. They do it not with statistics and numbers in mind, but rather they want their team to experience what it will take to win a championship. Coach Emery hasn't scheduled teams like Norwich, Middlebury, and Elmira in the past with the mind set that it will improve his SOS so that Plattsburgh can be in good position to get a Pool C bid. He has scheduled those teams because he knows that win or lose, those games are lessons in the season that will only improve his team so that they are as prepared as possible to win games in March, when it really counts!
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I agree ,and given that , we shall not agree the rest of the weekend
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
It's bad enough that one of the EcacWest members is all the way down in Aston, Pennsylvania...But Stevenson University? They're in Reistertown, Maryland. That's roughly 100 miles south of Aston where Neumann is... I'm not an expert here, but that doesn't seem like prime real estate for an EcacWest team. I mean travel wise, it's a lot on a team and expenses to go down there or viceversa...for a team such as Stevenson to come all the way north to play a Utica, Hobart, Nazareth etc.. :o
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You think suburban NYC is "ECAC West" territory? You think the Big 10 has 10 schools? You think the Big 12 has 12 schools? Do you think that SMU belongs in the Big "East"? Do you think that the University of Alaska has any place in the "Central" Collegiate Hockey Association? Do you think that Air Force in the "Atlantic" Hockey Association makes sense? There are many many misnamed conferences, all of which should be, but won't be rebranded.
 
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NUProf said:
You think suburban NYC is "ECAC West" territory? You think the Big 10 has 10 schools? You think the Big 12 has 12 schools? Do you think that SMU belongs in the Big "East"? Do you think that the University of Alaska has any place in the "Central" Collegiate Hockey Association? Do you think that Air Force in the "Atlantic" Hockey Association makes sense? There are many many misnamed conferences, all of which should be, but won't be rebranded.
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Kind of like a Norwich fan in Colorado and an Oswego fan in South Carolina :p
 
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Ozz said:
Kind of like a Norwich fan in Colorado and an Oswego fan in South Carolina :p
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That's at least a little more logical than having Alaska in the "Central" and Air Force in the "Atlantic."
Also in baseball, Memphis is in the "Pacific Coast" League
 
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NUProf said:
That's at least a little more logical than having Alaska in the "Central" and Air Force in the "Atlantic."
Also in baseball, Memphis is in the "Pacific Coast" League
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In football, the New Jersey Giants and New Jersey Jets call themselves "New York".
 
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Ozz said:
Are the Cards sick of playing #1s and #2s and getting the 'same treatment' as #13s and #15s or is it YOU that is sick of them doing that?

That is ridiculous. Is Emery so smart that he would be able to predict who the #13, #14, #15 Regionally Ranked teams will be for the 2014 season and go ahead and try to schedule them? If that were the case, he should quit coaching and just win the lotto. Did Oswego schedule two games versus Utica this year knowing they be #1 in the Regional Rankings? Did they schedule two games this year knowing that Elmira would be a very average team this year?

The top tier teams try to schedule as hard a schedule as possible. They do it not with statistics and numbers in mind, but rather they want their team to experience what it will take to win a championship. Coach Emery hasn't scheduled teams like Norwich, Middlebury, and Elmira in the past with the mind set that it will improve his SOS so that Plattsburgh can be in good position to get a Pool C bid. He has scheduled those teams because he knows that win or lose, those games are lessons in the season that will only improve his team so that they are as prepared as possible to win games in late February & March, when it really counts!
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"You must spread some reputation around..."
 
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I didn't think I'd be gangbeat for MY OBSERVATION on why Plattsburgh is taking a Norwich game away and playing Canton, ...Bob doesn't even know where he was ranked until I told him, and doesn't care either. No one is calling him a hypocrite or whatever. If you have a better explanation for the Norwich/Canton swap, I'd be glad to hear it. The travel is virtually identical so that's not it. Instead of criticizing what I believe to be the reason, let's hear yours.
As far as predicting who will be a good team and who won't from year to year.....I think it's quite obvious that Norwich is a Top 5 team as long as Mike McShane is there. Other teams like this year's Utica and Hobart are less predictable, wouldn't you say? Perhaps softening up the sked just a bit could benefit you in the long run. I didn't say the Cards were going to replace ALL good teams with also-rans. Simply take a look at a few of the teams that were ranked ahead of Plattsburgh. Some have played VERY few ranked opponents and some played none OOC. They play the teams they HAVE TO and often fill out their OOC sked with "managable" opponents.
 
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I would rather see the entire SUNYAC kick it up a notch against OOC next year. Not a good showing from #3 down....
 
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admiral0417 said:
If you have a better explanation for the Norwich/Canton swap, I'd be glad to hear it. The travel is virtually identical so that's not it. Instead of criticizing what I believe to be the reason, let's hear yours.
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Already been stated here: All SUNYAC teams are playing Canton once next seasom, twice the year after that. SUNY Canton is joining the SUNYAC. Being forced to drop 1 or 2 NC games in favor of a new conference opponent seems far more feasible an explanation than Coach Emery trying to "soften up the sked just a bit". And while I agree that it's not the end of the world - and perhaps, because of the odd quirks of the dysfunctional system, it might even be beneficial - I find it very hard to believe that coach Emery would do this to try to gerrymander things. In fact, you said yourself that he didn't know and didn't care where we were ranked. That's the beauty of an OOC schedule like Plattsburgh's: get things done on the ice, and you're a lock for a top spot in the rankings. Slip up a bit on the ice, and you're probably coming in in the lower end of the rankings, if at all. No need to worry about. Just your games and the rest falls into place. Some other teams with fluff for OOC games need some help to get in the rankings, even if they do everything possible on the ice.

All that said... a little over 2 hours left before pucks drop on the last weekend of this regular season. No worry about the rankings or Pool C or anything like that at this point. Beat the opponent in front of you, that's all that matters. GO CARDS!
 
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