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Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Back to hockey for a second...now that season 1 is almost over...what's everyones feeling on the Comets and what its done to the program good and bad?
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Back to hockey for a second...now that season 1 is almost over...what's everyones feeling on the Comets and what its done to the program good and bad?

After finally catching a couple of home games last week I am going to say neutral.

The crowd was defiantly down from Nuemann games in the past both games I would be surprised if the actual crowd exceeded 2500. But that being said I think in the future it will help. Utica is going to have to go on the road more in the future which should help them make the argument come selection time if they can get more road wins over decent to good teams. Second and what I think is the most import the rink and surrounding area are getting some serious capital improvement (the ice is a million times better it was even still in good shape being played on right after the women's game in previous years when they did double headers like that the ice was slop by the time the men took to it and I could actually hear and understand what the penalty announcer was saying) second if the plans for the phantom parking garage finally come through it is going to make going to games so much less of a hassle in the future some of those missing fans may find their way back to the Aud. The only thing that really bothered me about the place now the the comets are in there is the simple fact that the green and blue color skim is not the Utica Memorial Auditorium and I wish they would bring the old orange walls back. Sprry a little long winded but those are my thoughts.
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

After finally catching a couple of home games last week I am going to say neutral.

The crowd was defiantly down from Nuemann games in the past both games I would be surprised if the actual crowd exceeded 2500. But that being said I think in the future it will help. Utica is going to have to go on the road more in the future which should help them make the argument come selection time if they can get more road wins over decent to good teams. Second and what I think is the most import the rink and surrounding area are getting some serious capital improvement (the ice is a million times better it was even still in good shape being played on right after the women's game in previous years when they did double headers like that the ice was slop by the time the men took to it and I could actually hear and understand what the penalty announcer was saying) second if the plans for the phantom parking garage finally come through it is going to make going to games so much less of a hassle in the future some of those missing fans may find their way back to the Aud. The only thing that really bothered me about the place now the the comets are in there is the simple fact that the green and blue color skim is not the Utica Memorial Auditorium and I wish they would bring the old orange walls back. Sorry a little long winded but those are my thoughts.

No long winded - a nice overview - thanks :)
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Back to hockey for a second...now that season 1 is almost over...what's everyones feeling on the Comets and what its done to the program good and bad?
They will always be the Utica Interlopers in my book....:D....Next year's schedule will be the litmus test. I do like most of the improvements to the Aud...not really wild about the jumbotron and the ads played there, but I understand the economic realities of losing the wall/board advertising revenue to the Johnie-come-lately team. It is interesting that I don't think they sell candy anymore (at least at the stand I frequent)....perhaps to keep folks from throwing M&Ms :rolleyes:. The ticket issue, with lots of season tickets sold, but not always used....color me guilty-have 4, only use 1-3 at any game.....has made the crowds smaller, but I doubt as low as 2500. To be honest, it has been a better environment, sharing the Aud, than I expected. Based on what I hear sometimes around me, it appears that there are some pro fans who are now coming to the UC games.
 
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Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Back to hockey for a second...now that season 1 is almost over...what's everyones feeling on the Comets and what its done to the program good and bad?

I think it's mostly good. I agree the ice is a lot better, as is the score board. The jumbotron I could do without. I too understand that the ad rev. is probably nice. My problem is that it seems to be all they use it for during the UC games. The short vid they play of the player that scores a goal is nice, but I was hoping they'd show more replays of the goals and maybe the penalties too. Would like a recap of the goals between periods too, but maybe they do that. I'm usually in the lobby then. Besides that I can live with it but do without it. It's not a game breaker for me.

It looks like both the High School State tourney and the frozen four in 17(?) are both still on, so it seems everyone is working together. Lets hope everybody is successful going forward and we get a real parking lot installed.
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

After finally catching a couple of home games last week I am going to say neutral.

The crowd was defiantly down from Nuemann games in the past both games I would be surprised if the actual crowd exceeded 2500. But that being said I think in the future it will help. Utica is going to have to go on the road more in the future which should help them make the argument come selection time if they can get more road wins over decent to good teams. Second and what I think is the most import the rink and surrounding area are getting some serious capital improvement (the ice is a million times better it was even still in good shape being played on right after the women's game in previous years when they did double headers like that the ice was slop by the time the men took to it and I could actually hear and understand what the penalty announcer was saying) second if the plans for the phantom parking garage finally come through it is going to make going to games so much less of a hassle in the future some of those missing fans may find their way back to the Aud. The only thing that really bothered me about the place now the the comets are in there is the simple fact that the green and blue color skim is not the Utica Memorial Auditorium and I wish they would bring the old orange walls back. Sprry a little long winded but those are my thoughts.

I heard on the local news that the funding for the added parking was contingent on some guarantee from Vancouver that the Comets will still be there next year... That we haven't heard anything about that issue since then might be telling.
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

I think it's mostly good. I agree the ice is a lot better, as is the score board. The jumbotron I could do without. I too understand that the ad rev. is probably nice. My problem is that it seems to be all they use it for during the UC games. The short vid they play of the player that scores a goal is nice, but I was hoping they'd show more replays of the goals and maybe the penalties too. Would like a recap of the goals between periods too, but maybe they do that. I'm usually in the lobby then. Besides that I can live with it but do without it. It's not a game breaker for me.

It looks like both the High School State tourney and the frozen four in 17(?) are both still on, so it seems everyone is working together. Lets hope everybody is successful going forward and we get a real parking lot installed.

The ice used to be awful there, and improving that -albeit on the taxpayers' backs- has definitely made the UC games better to watch.

I'm with you and other posters re: the Jumbotron: it's more of a billboard for the various sponsors than it is a tool for replay, but it can usually be ignored.

I'm fine with the Comets being here, if the current arrangements between them and UC are maintained. Things have been perfectly harmonious so far, and Bagg's Square has a little life to it now. The one thing I really like is how The Aud's staff has been mandated to behave more professionally. (To wit, they are forcing people to wait in the wings for a whistle to get back to their seats, instead of allowing them to wander around at-will during live play.)

My prediction is still that Vancouver will be a one-and-done here, but that the ice will remain good until the current refrigeration system gets old, and there is no money available to repair it.

No complaints on that scenario, in the net... This is Utica, after all.
 
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I've been to a couple of UC games and 3-4 Comets games, only when Colgate's not home. I enjoy both, the whole "Aud" package to me is much more professionally done now. I have RFA hockey, UC, Comets, and Colgate. UC and the Comets are both drawing well, NYS HS playoffs there next weekend and Frozen Four D3 in 2017. The hockey fan has many opps now every weekend, I think it's just great, especially with this fairly hard winter. Utica area is really becoming known for it's hockey. And Utica certainly benefits in revenue from all.

I wonder how many people from Utica area go see the "big boys" at Colgate, it's great hockey.
 
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I've been to a couple of UC games and 3-4 Comets games, only when Colgate's not home. I enjoy both, the whole "Aud" package to me is much more professionally done now. I have RFA hockey, UC, Comets, and Colgate. UC and the Comets are both drawing well, NYS HS playoffs there next weekend and Frozen Four D3 in 2017. The hockey fan has many opps now every weekend, I think it's just great, especially with this fairly hard winter. Utica area is really becoming known for it's hockey. And Utica certainly benefits in revenue from all.

I wonder how many people from Utica area go see the "big boys" at Colgate, it's great hockey.

Waiting for the new rink. The Clinton boys have been making more trips down this year and this one will probably make the Union game this Saturday. It's interesting that you don't include Hamilton in your hockey options. I don't either and that's a shame. To bad they decided that sports are an afterthought. They're in last place in almost every sport they compeat. They should probably just play with each other and quite the NESCAC. In fact, maybe thay are and that's their problem! 4 wins overall?

UC has a good shot at ending in 1st with just a little help. Be nice to have the playoffs at the Aud, but you get what you deserve in the long run. Shabby, here's hoping 'Gate can get a 1st round bye. I think 2nd place is a very good posibility for them and if they can beat Union and upset Quinny (a big IF), who knows.
 
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I wonder how many people from Utica area go see the "big boys" at Colgate, it's great hockey.

We go once in a while, depending on who's in town; the drive to Hamilton is pretty desolate on a winter night, but it's definitely a fun place to see a game. (I'm also a big RFA fan; I used to teach there.)

BTW, do you think Rome can solve West Genny this PS, finally?

That team has plenty of ton of talent, and plays an astoundingly effective trap, which is a brilliant and a nearly-unique coaching decision... I wonder how RFA is gonna beat that, unless they do the same?
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

We go once in a while, depending on who's in town; the drive to Hamilton is pretty desolate on a winter night, but it's definitely a fun place to see a game. (I'm also a big RFA fan; I used to teach there.)

BTW, do you think Rome can solve West Genny this PS, finally?

That team has plenty of ton of talent, and plays an astoundingly effective trap, which is a brilliant and a nearly-unique coaching decision... I wonder how RFA is gonna beat that, unless they do the same?

They have had issues beating the trap before. Look at the game last year. Yeah, RFA led shots by a decent margin, but West Genesee's trap seemingly got better over the course of 60 minutes. Cuthbertson hasn't figured out how to crack it yet, but maybe this season will be different.
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

After finally catching a couple of home games last week I am going to say neutral.

The crowd was defiantly down from Nuemann games in the past both games I would be surprised if the actual crowd exceeded 2500. But that being said I think in the future it will help. Utica is going to have to go on the road more in the future which should help them make the argument come selection time if they can get more road wins over decent to good teams. Second and what I think is the most import the rink and surrounding area are getting some serious capital improvement (the ice is a million times better it was even still in good shape being played on right after the women's game in previous years when they did double headers like that the ice was slop by the time the men took to it and I could actually hear and understand what the penalty announcer was saying) second if the plans for the phantom parking garage finally come through it is going to make going to games so much less of a hassle in the future some of those missing fans may find their way back to the Aud. The only thing that really bothered me about the place now the the comets are in there is the simple fact that the green and blue color skim is not the Utica Memorial Auditorium and I wish they would bring the old orange walls back. Sprry a little long winded but those are my thoughts.

Good post... I tend to agree with 95% of it.

A couple of comments:

I don't know of any objective measure out there that makes any distinction between home and away games; there is just no statistically-reasonable manner to weight that factor. If the W as a whole gets back up to snuff re: their OOC record, UC can schedule as many home games as they usually do and be fine via SOS when the PS cards on on the table. (And let's not forget that teams are lining-up to come here, because there is a rare D-3 payday to be had, and SOS points of their own to play for.)

I've only missed one home game this year, have seen the "SOLD OUT" signs on the windows at most of the rest, but usually estimate only about 2,500 actual human beings in the seats, just as you have... Like UCBadger, I have 4 season tickets, but we only account for all four asses-in-the-seats about half the time. (The large blocks of empty seats I assume are owned by local businesses; I don't know.)

I was a bit ambivalent regarding how all that money was allotted for the The Aud, vs. for the incredible amount of infrastructure improvements needed around here... But, to me, if it was going to be thrown towards something fairly trivial, it was all about the ice, which was ghastly at least half the time in the past... The games there are always watchable now, at least in terms of the surface.

(BTW, did a little digging, and that parking-thing is still on hold, from what I hear... Apparently, Vancouver is still being coy about their plans.)
 
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Nazareth is probably playing the best hockey in the country that NO ONE is talking about right now.

I'm glad Elmira is done with them for the year.

Nazareth is 6-4 in their last 10 and are on the rise for sure...but check out the Lake Forest Foresters, 9-0-1 in their last 10 with a weekend series against Adrian ! Don't be surprised if they steal one. Note: Too bad LF went 0-6-1 in their games before this hot streak...they give the word "streaky" a new meaning !
 
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Nazareth is probably playing the best hockey in the country that NO ONE is talking about right now.

I'm glad Elmira is done with them for the year.

Naz is definitely the best team in the East that has a lousy W/L. (But then, is there a really good team out here, or what..? The KRACH has Platty at #13, and no team to the right of Michigan looking any better than that.) While I realize that the stats are deeply flawed re: the East/West comparisons, that fact is still an eye-opener.

Anyway, an effective game was played by Utica tonight, and I can see them receiving a little Pool-C charity from The Committee, if UC can manage to run the table.

(Pretty big " if ", still.)
 
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Naz is definitely the best team in the East that has a lousy W/L. (But then, is there a really good team out here, or what..? The KRACH has Platty at #13, and no team to the right of Michigan looking any better than that.) While I realize that the stats are deeply flawed re: the East/West comparisons, that fact is still an eye-opener.

Anyway, an effective game was played by Utica tonight, and I can see them receiving a little Pool-C charity from The Committee, if UC can manage to run the table.

(Pretty big " if ", still.)
That would all depend on who wins SUNY and ECACE autobids!
 
Re: Utica College Pioneers '13-'14 = Lewiston or Bust

Last night's game was IMO, by far the best 'complete' game UC has played since the break. Maybe it's desperation, but whatever motivates this team going forward is OK with me.

It's nice for UC to now control it's own destiny regarding the W reg season title but Manhattanville is always a challenge and I expect nothing less than two close, hard fought battles next weekend.
 
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"If" Utica runs the table.....they still won't get any pool C consideration, period. Unless Plattsburgh, Norwich, Babson, Colby, Trinity, New England College, Williams, Geneseo, Oswego, Mass-Boston all lose out....I may have missed a couple more teams!

Furthermore, stop insinuating there are no good teams in the East. Plattsburgh, Trinity and Babson have virtually the same record as last year's Utica team. We never heard the end of how good they were ! Why the double standard? Just because Utica has disappointed nobody else is any good?




Naz is definitely the best team in the East that has a lousy W/L. (But then, is there a really good team out here, or what..? The KRACH has Platty at #13, and no team to the right of Michigan looking any better than that.) While I realize that the stats are deeply flawed re: the East/West comparisons, that fact is still an eye-opener.

Anyway, an effective game was played by Utica tonight, and I can see them receiving a little Pool-C charity from The Committee, if UC can manage to run the table.

(Pretty big " if ", still.)
 
"If" Utica runs the table.....they still won't get any pool C consideration, period. Unless Plattsburgh, Norwich, Babson, Colby, Trinity, New England College, Williams, Geneseo, Oswego, Mass-Boston all lose out....I may have missed a couple more teams!

Furthermore, stop insinuating there are no good teams in the East. Plattsburgh, Trinity and Babson have virtually the same record as last year's Utica team. We never heard the end of how good they were ! Why the double standard? Just because Utica has disappointed nobody else is any good?

Ding ding ding..... let's get ready to rumble.....
 
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