US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

[OnMAA]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

I just want to see the best players selected, I am not keeping a count as you seem to be. .

I only went to check the roster to count AFTER reading your earlier post.

 

[ARM]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

If I'm not mistaken both Ammerman and Schoullis did make the camp roster, but unfortunately were not selected to the National Team.

They were on the holiday camp roster; I know for sure that Schoullis was not on the smaller one announced a little over a month ago. I don't remember if Bro. Ammerman was.

 

[skatefast]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

During the webcast of last night's game, a statement was made that Duggan was out with a concussion suffered earlier in the season.

I have been told the same thing by multiple sources.

Just don't see how Jen Schoullis, Brook Ammermann, and frankly a couple of other WCHA forwards didn't make this roster when you look at the players picked. If you are the 7th and 4th leading scorers in the country playing a WCHA schedule you are pretty **** good. When will they put political bias aside and pick the best players like Canada does.

First, I would offer to you that I'm sure there are many Canadians who are wondering why certain girls were picked over others. It's the nature of these things. If you think there are no politics in Team Canada, I could share evidence otherwise.

I try to remind myself that I have no idea the goals in mind of the staff of programs such as the US and Canada. They could be trying out newer players to see how they perform at an international level but may not have had the chance. I was surprised, initially, to see Hannah Brandt on the US Roster. Not because I don't think she has the skill, but because I think she's the only one w/o collegiate experience. I was happy to see that there are a number of new Nat'l Team member on Team USA. Means they are keeping it fresh, right? Bottom line is the CDN/ US teams are just going to get more and more and more competitive. I can think of a number of girls that appear to be World Championship caliber players. But there's only so much room on the roster.

My hope is that the mentorship program that the IIHF has instilled really starts paying off. It's important that the European teams really start to surge so that we can continue to have the Olympics. Otherwise women's hockey will go the way of Olympic Softball.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

They were on the holiday camp roster; I know for sure that Schoullis was not on the smaller one announced a little over a month ago. I don't remember if Bro. Ammerman was.

My point was that they didn't make the "pre-world" list which is the pool used for selection to the world team. Canada may have its own political issues as well, but it seems somewhat clear that the USA team adds the politics of what school you play for and what schools or conferences the coaches participate in. I won't offer up specific names of who should be replaced, but Ammerman get overlooked every year it seems no matter how well she performs. I think she is the third leading scorer in UW history after Knight & Duggan and she can't even make the final pre-world pool. There are a couple of forwards on this list that would struggle to crack the top two lines at UM or UW yet they made the list. We need to ignore their jerseys and pick the best players period!

 

[OnMAA]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

My point was that they didn't make the "pre-world" list which is the pool used for selection to the world team. Canada may have its own political issues as well, but it seems somewhat clear that the USA team adds the politics of what school you play for and what schools or conferences the coaches participate in. I won't offer up specific names of who should be replaced, but Ammerman get overlooked every year it seems no matter how well she performs. I think she is the third leading scorer in UW history after Knight & Duggan and she can't even make the final pre-world pool. There are a couple of forwards on this list that would struggle to crack the top two lines at UM or UW yet they made the list. We need to ignore their jerseys and pick the best players period!

All I can offer you is what Skatefast already stated. Unless you are part of the staff, you do not know the staffs' objectives of THE TEAM makeup. Its not just about points and leading scorers. You need a certain set of role players, who may not always show up at the top of the stats sheet, but who's attributes make the rest of the team more effective.

There is plenty of politics in Canada. Witness the cases of Bauer (UW grad IIRC) and Corriero. Both with great stats, neither ever got past the U22 stage IIRC.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

All I can offer you is what Skatefast already stated. Unless you are part of the staff, you do not know the staffs's objectives of THE TEAM makeup. Its not just about points and leading scorers. You need certain set of role players, who may not always show up at the top of the stats sheet, but who's work make the rest of the team more effective.

And there is plenty of politics in Canada. Witness the cases of Bauer (UW grad IIRC) and Corriero. Both with great stats, neither ever got past the U22 stage IIRC.

i completly agree that the "staff" needs to select players that fill certain roles, but in my humbe opinion it would be hard to build that case here. It is just unfortunate that deserving players miss out on their life long dreams for reasons other than not being good enough. Still wish US girls the very best of luck the next couple of weeks.

 

[ARM]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

While there is some school/league bias in team selection, I think it is more just that those picking teams will lean to players that they have watched a lot. Players on Boston-based rosters have a little bit of an edge in that respect, because anyone scouting the East will be able to see them frequently.

The other factor at play is future versus present. Yes, Worlds is important, but the Olympics are two years away. There may be some motivation to add a player to this roster that has a chance to make an impact in two years, even if they aren't necessarily better than others today.

For example, let's look at only players with Minnesota connections. Jen Schoullis didn't make the cut this time, but I believe she is more of a known quantity. She has shown what she can do at the NCAA tournament and past international events. Meanwhile, Hannah Brandt is still in high school. Do I think she'd be more effective at this month's Worlds than would Schoullis (or West or Erickson for that matter)? No. I have a ton of respect for Brandt, but high school is high school, and players develop at a different pace once they get on a college workout program. In two years, however, she will be a far different player, just as Decker or Kessel were much better as college sophomores than they were as prep players. So I think some players are picked based in part on perceived upside. And next time a roster is picked, they might all be left home and someone like an Alex Carpenter could be chosen instead. But I think it is all done with one eye on Sochi.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

While there is some school/league bias in team selection, I think it is more just that those picking teams will lean to players that they have watched a lot. Players on Boston-based rosters have a little bit of an edge in that respect, because anyone scouting the East will be able to see them frequently.

The other factor at play is future versus present. Yes, Worlds is important, but the Olympics are two years away. There may be some motivation to add a player to this roster that has a chance to make an impact in two years, even if they aren't necessarily better than others today.

For example, let's look at only players with Minnesota connections. Jen Schoullis didn't make the cut this time, but I believe she is more of a known quantity. She has shown what she can do at the NCAA tournament and past international events. Meanwhile, Hannah Brandt is still in high school. Do I think she'd be more effective at this month's Worlds than would Schoullis (or West or Erickson for that matter)? No. I have a ton of respect for Brandt, but high school is high school, and players develop at a different pace once they get on a college workout program. In two years, however, she will be a far different player, just as Decker or Kessel were much better as college sophomores than they were as prep players. So I think some players are picked based in part on perceived upside. And next time a roster is picked, they might all be left home and someone like an Alex Carpenter could be chosen instead. But I think it is all done with one eye on Sochi.

All very valid points. I kind of like the Team Canada U22 roster format. It is used as the development team, and they play a series with the US, and an international tournament against Senior teams from other top nations. The US does not do much of anything at that level, which might detract those just on the outside of the Senior squad from continuing.

 

[granddaddyscout]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

All very valid points. I kind of like the Team Canada U22 roster format. It is used as the development team, and they play a series with the US, and an international tournament against Senior teams from other top nations. The US does not do much of anything at that level, which might detract those just on the outside of the Senior squad from continuing.

good points by you and ARM, I would agree that Brandt makes some sense for the reasons cited. That said there are players that don't fit that mold, are equally known commodities, have less impressive pedigrees given any sensible comparisons, but play in the east. I think the lack of a U22 program is a problem and helps to mask this issue quite frankly because these players are never seen side by side exclusive of the older players.

 

[ARM]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

All very valid points. I kind of like the Team Canada U22 roster format. It is used as the development team, and they play a series with the US, and an international tournament against Senior teams from other top nations. The US does not do much of anything at that level, which might detract those just on the outside of the Senior squad from continuing.

The US sits out that Meco Cup or MLP Cup or whatever it happens to be called, and that is a strange tournament at best. It is kind of a Canadian U-22 team with the odd 25 year old mixed in playing the national teams from a bunch of European countries. The players that are still eligible for a pure U-22 are on college rosters, so there is little benefit to pulling them off their college rosters. Other than that, they do the same camps that Canada does. It isn't the people in that age bracket that need somewhere to play, it is those that have completed their college careers and now have to look for post-grad options. Those tend to be less stable and less attractive.

 

[Cali]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

The US sits out that Meco Cup or MLP Cup or whatever it happens to be called, and that is a strange tournament at best. It is kind of a Canadian U-22 team with the odd 25 year old mixed in playing the national teams from a bunch of European countries. The players that are still eligible for a pure U-22 are on college rosters, so there is little benefit to pulling them off their college rosters. Other than that, they do the same camps that Canada does. It isn't the people in that age bracket that need somewhere to play, it is those that have completed their college careers and now have to look for post-grad options. Those tend to be less stable and less attractive.

Because IIHF nationality rules don't apply, Canada also uses it as a place to give wannabe Canadians some international experience while they attain their Canadian International eligibility. They did that with the 17 year old this year.

 

[Hux]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

National team netminders Schaus, Vetter, and McLaughlin help make a youngster's dream come true.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

National team netminders Schaus, Vetter, and McLaughlin help make a youngster's dream come true.

Great story. Wcax, local burlington cbs affiliate, has been giving this tournament great coverage the past two weeks.

 

[Hux]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

Great story. Wcax, local burlington cbs affiliate, has been giving this tournament great coverage the past two weeks.

The Burlington TV stations have done a great job covering the event, and the city and area have done an outstanding job promoting it. I've met a number of people at games who had never been to a women's game before and decided to come because of the visibility of the event in the area.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

The Burlington TV stations have done a great job covering the event, and the city and area have done an outstanding job promoting it. I've met a number of people at games who had never been to a women's game before and decided to come because of the visibility of the event in the area.

Good to hear. I've heard tickets for the Gold Medal game are very close to being sold out. There was a spike in ticket sales once the Gold Medal game was sold for $45 instead of being forced to buy the Gold and Bronze games as a package for $70.

I'll be at the Canada/Finland game today at 3 p.m. seeing as my volunteer shift will just be ending. Might be a stretch to stick around for the entire US game at 7.

 

[Hux]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

USA Hockey's Women's National Team High Performance Camp is underway in Colorado.

GOALTENDERS (4)
Brianne McLaughlin 5-8 (174) 130 (59) 6/20/87 L Sheffield Village, Ohio
Molly Schaus 5-9 (175) 156 (71) 7/29/88 L Natick, Mass. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Alex Rigsby 5-7 (171) 160 (72) 1/3/92 L Delafield, Wis. University of Wisconsin (WCHA)
Jessie Vetter 5-8 (174) 154 (70) 12/19/85 L Cottage Grove, Wis.

DEFENSEMEN (9)
Kacey Bellamy 5-8 (174) 144 (65) 4/22/87 L Westfield, Mass. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Megan Bozek 5-9 (175) 168 (76) 3/27/91 R Buffalo Grove, Ill. University of Minnesota (WCHA)
Caitlin Cahow 5-4 (163) 156 (71) 5/20/85 L Vinalhaven, Me. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Lisa Chesson 5-7 (171) 141 (64) 8/18/86 L Plainfield, Ill.
Molly Engstrom 5-9 (175) 171 (78) 3/1/83 R Siren, Wis. Brampton Thunder (CWHL)
Gigi Marvin 5-8 (174) 170 (77) 3/7/87 R Warroad, Minn. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Michelle Picard 5-6 (168) 156 (71) 5/27/93 L Taunton, Mass. Harvard University (ECACH)
Josephine Pucci 5-8 (174) 149 (68) 12/27/90 R Pearl River, N.Y. Harvard University (ECACH)
Anne Schleper 5-10 (178) 167 (76) 1/30/90 L St. Cloud, Minn. University of Minnesota (WCHA)

FORWARDS (16)
Julie Chu 5-8 (174) 147 (67) 3/13/82 R Fairfield, Conn. Montreal Stars (CWHL)
Kendall Coyne 5-2 (157) 124 (56) 5/25/92 L Palos Heights, Ill. Northeastern University (HEA)
Brianna Decker 5-4 (163) 149 (68) 5/13/91 R Dousman, Wis. University of Wisconsin (WCHA)
Jillian Dempsey 5-4 (163) 138 (63) 1/19/91 L Winthrop, Mass. Harvard University (ECACH)
Brittany Dougherty 5-7 (171) 165 (79) 3/19/91 R Chesterfield, Mich. University of Maine (HEA)
Meghan Duggan 5-9 (175) 164 (74) 9/3/87 R Danvers, Mass. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Amanda Kessel 5-6 (168) 131 (59) 8/28/91 R Verona, Wis. University of Minnesota (WCHA)
Hilary Knight 5-10 (178) 172 (78) 7/12/89 R Sun Valley, Id. University of Wisconsin (WCHA)
Jocelyne Lamoureux 5-6 (168) 158 (72) 7/3/89 R Grand Forks, N.D. University of North Dakota (WCHA)
Monique Lamoureux-Kolls 5-6 (168) 158 (72) 7/3/89 R Grand Forks, N.D. University of North Dakota (WCHA)
Erika Lawler 5-0 (152) 130 (59) 2/5/87 R Fitchburg, Mass. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Jenny Potter 5-4 (163) 151 (68) 1/12/79 L Edina, Minn. Minnesota Whitecaps (WWHL)
Jen Schoullis 5-9 (175) 165 (75) 3/7/89 L Erie, Pa. University of Minnesota (WCHA)
Kelli Stack 5-5 (165) 136 (62) 1/13/88 R Brooklyn Heights, Ohio Boston Blades (CWHL)
Karen Thatcher 5-8 (174) 157 (71) 2/29/84 L Blaine, Wash. Boston Blades (CWHL)
Taylor Wasylk 5-10 (178) 148 (67) 2/21/92 L Port Huron, Mich. Boston College (HEA)

 

[puckskillz]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

Up the mountain again??
http://www.usahockeymagazine.com/article/2009-08/incline

 

[Call It]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

Who ever puts Molly Schaus on any Team USA roster will have an extreme amount of pressure upon them. She can't win the big one. Why is Erika Lawler there? She had zero ****s of period 3 vs Canada in the Gold Game (Burlington). Is USA Hockey trying to develop an 87 birth year. Bring some young TALENT in, please.

It is one game a year and one really big game every four years, stopping wasting time!!!! I hate losing to the Canadiens

 

[brookyone]

Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

I didn't even know they played Les Canadiens de Montréal...

 

[Hux]

Who ever puts Molly Schaus on any Team USA roster will have an extreme amount of pressure upon them. She can't win the big one. Why is Erika Lawler there? She had zero ****s of period 3 vs Canada in the Gold Game (Burlington). Is USA Hockey trying to develop an 87 birth year. Bring some young TALENT in, please.

It is one game a year and one really big game every four years, stopping wasting time!!!! I hate losing to the Canadiens

You, sir, are an idiot. Miss Schaus played an excellent game.