Anyone who believes a shred of this gaslighting BS needs serious help. Opinion based on anonymous and vague allegations, but very serious. Riiight, got it. Funny thing is, this is right out of the liberal playbook. Make stuff up about someone, gaslight it, and eventually get so frustrated, that you resort to calling another grown man a "scumbag". You are a complete clown.
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UNH 2024/2025 Goldberg Edition
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Anyone who believes a shred of this gaslighting BS needs serious help. Opinion based on anonymous and vague allegations, but very serious. Riiight, got it. Funny thing is, this is right out of the liberal playbook. Make stuff up about someone, gaslight it, and eventually get so frustrated, that you resort to calling another grown man a "scumbag". You are a complete clown.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Well, there are some issues with your take here, namely with (1) the information upon which I've reached my personal conclusions has been confirmed by multiple informed and reliable sources, whose information on other items has held up in the past; and (2) I've never disclosed any specifics of what those folks have told me, based on author/source agreements, so nothing is out there, other than my own personal conclusions.
Folks have asked me for years ... why? I only confirm there IS a why, it's my personal conclusion, and I'm not forcing anyone - not you, not folks who are friends with the guy, nor folks who are not big fans. I protect my sources, I do not disclose specific details, and if you happen to like the guy, then go with it. Stuff that's out there in the public realm, i.e. the open ambition for the BC job, the frequent comments (many on the record, many more off the record, with sources I still protect) about his role in "making" York, that all speaks for itself.
If that still bothers you, you have every right to your opinion, as do I. If you choose to discount the accuracy/reliability of my sources, you are free to do so as well. I think the fact that, when he made it obvious that he saw BC as his manifest destiny after Coach York's retirement, and BC decided to go in a very different direction ... well, doesn't that speak volumes of how he is regarded by those who saw him up close and personal during the times when he felt he was the difference maker for that program?? Again, I'll just leave it at that ...
So your hatred for Cavanaugh is because, as you allege, he wants/wanted York's job?!?
2013hockeyfan
New member
A theme of the Souza era has been as soon as there are even the slightest of expectations for his team you can count on them to sh*t the bed
Welcome to the reality of being a UNH hockey fan. Consider this a start to your "curmudgeon" training, young padawan.
Jellsville USA
Registered User
Welcome to the reality of being a UNH hockey fan. Consider this a start to your "curmudgeon" training, young padawan.
The boys need a Herb brooks moment ("again"). I still believe the talent is there, but the effort and discipline was not throughout the weekend. Coach better be working OT. We need a statement game on Friday (forever optimistic)!
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
OK so let me clarify ... and also make it clear that I'd rather talk about other stuff, but accept that the interest in the topic comes from this being my long-term gripe ... anyway, let's start with the above as the "York thing" - which actually is a secondary issue of mine. I don't think there's anything wrong with a successful assistant who aspires to succeed his super-successful boss, IF that's all there is. I think that's pretty much a natural thing, for folks who find themselves in that scenario. Closer to home, I'm sure Stewart (and before him Borek, Serino and even Brian McCloskey) aspired to succeed Umile. And for every Standbrook or Tortorella or Jim Logue (BC) who might prefer to be an assistant for lifestyle reasons or whatever, there are five other guys who won't rest until their head is the one that wears the crown. So Lucer is far from alone on that.
Now, back to the "York thing" ... after Coach York (who'd previously enjoyed good success at Clarkson in his 30's, and huge success at Bowling Green in mostly his 40's - including a D-1 title) came over to dig BC out of the mess that Count Cedorchuk had created at The Heights (a topic I enjoy FAR more than this one lol), he hired Luce a year into that project. Jim Logue (that name again) was already a Cedorchuk holdover, who worked with York another year prior to Luce's hire), and the three of them - York, Logue and Luce - were together all the way through the end of the 2013 season. Greg Brown - BC's current head coach - joined the coaching team circa 2005. When BC won the D-1 title in 2001, Logue and Luce were his assistants (along with Scott Paluch, who York brought with him from BGSU, and who left a few years after 2001 to HC at BGSU). Brown was around as the 3rd assistant with Logue and Luce for the 2008-2010-2012 trifecta. For those keeping score at home, the D-1 titles won by the long-term assistant coaching team looks like this:
* 4 - Jim Logue
* 4 - Luce Caanan
* 3 - Greg Brown
* 1 - Scott Paluch
It seems something likely happened circa the end of the 2013 season, as Logue retired, and Luce went off to coach at UConn. Maybe Coach York let the guys know he wasn't planning to step down anytime soon (he'd stick around for another decade as it turned out), and then a few years later, Brown left to be an NHL assistant with the Rangers.
It was around the time that he left for UConn that I began to notice frequent comments in the HEA media that seemed to be suggesting Luce was the power behind the throne at The Heights during the York era, and as time went by, some of these same folks seemed to point out often how York hadn't won since Luce left. Luce himself chimed in on the QT a couple of times on this issue. No one - and I mean NO ONE - seemed interested in pointing out that (1) York had won at BGSU without all but Paluch (who BTW had some very good years as BGSU HC after his return), and (2) Jim Logue had been there for every BC York Era title, just like Luce. I made a few well-placed enquiries, and confirmed for myself that there was a high degree of intersectionality between the pro-Luce media pimps and Luce's circle of hockey pals. QED.
In summary ... nothing wrong with ambition, but when it involves tearing down York/trampling Logue ... scummy ...
The more important stuff (from my standpoint) predates the modified "3-for-5", I'll continue to keep that to myself.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Chuck, no offense but... take your meds.
He's a jerk because he wanted York's job (many wanted him to get the job) and that he didn't "speaks volumes"?
And then to throw in the reference previously to Eaves/Exter; laughably bad. Don't get me wrong, I find it hilarious that he's at Yukon and struggles to hit .500 every season but this is unhinged.
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OK so let me clarify ... and also make it clear that I'd rather talk about other stuff, but accept that the interest in the topic comes from this being my long-term gripe ... anyway, let's start with the above as the "York thing" - which actually is a secondary issue of mine. I don't think there's anything wrong with a successful assistant who aspires to succeed his super-successful boss, IF that's all there is. I think that's pretty much a natural thing, for folks who find themselves in that scenario. Closer to home, I'm sure Stewart (and before him Borek, Serino and even Brian McCloskey) aspired to succeed Umile. And for every Standbrook or Tortorella or Jim Logue (BC) who might prefer to be an assistant for lifestyle reasons or whatever, there are five other guys who won't rest until their head is the one that wears the crown. So Lucer is far from alone on that.
Now, back to the "York thing" ... after Coach York (who'd previously enjoyed good success at Clarkson in his 30's, and huge success at Bowling Green in mostly his 40's - including a D-1 title) came over to dig BC out of the mess that Count Cedorchuk had created at The Heights (a topic I enjoy FAR more than this one lol), he hired Luce a year into that project. Jim Logue (that name again) was already a Cedorchuk holdover, who worked with York another year prior to Luce's hire), and the three of them - York, Logue and Luce - were together all the way through the end of the 2013 season. Greg Brown - BC's current head coach - joined the coaching team circa 2005. When BC won the D-1 title in 2001, Logue and Luce were his assistants (along with Scott Paluch, who York brought with him from BGSU, and who left a few years after 2001 to HC at BGSU). Brown was around as the 3rd assistant with Logue and Luce for the 2008-2010-2012 trifecta. For those keeping score at home, the D-1 titles won by the long-term assistant coaching team looks like this:
* 4 - Jim Logue
* 4 - Luce Caanan
* 3 - Greg Brown
* 1 - Scott Paluch
In summary ... nothing wrong with ambition, but when it involves tearing down York/trampling Logue ... scummy ...
This proves you don’t know what you’re talking about. No one was a bigger supporter of Coach Cav than Jim Logue (his high school coach and good family friend of Cav). Us North Andoverites who grew up with both families know their relationship. Loguey treats Cav like his own kid and Cav treats Loguey like his lifelong hockey mentor. They played in MA high school championships and college hockey championships, ask anyone who ACTUALLY knows the two to explain their relationship.
You completely outed yourself as knowing nothing about someone you berate on an anonymous message board. Again, liberal playbook.
OK so let me clarify ... and also make it clear that I'd rather talk about other stuff, but accept that the interest in the topic comes from this being my long-term gripe ... anyway, let's start with the above as the "York thing" - which actually is a secondary issue of mine. I don't think there's anything wrong with a successful assistant who aspires to succeed his super-successful boss, IF that's all there is. I think that's pretty much a natural thing, for folks who find themselves in that scenario. Closer to home, I'm sure Stewart (and before him Borek, Serino and even Brian McCloskey) aspired to succeed Umile. And for every Standbrook or Tortorella or Jim Logue (BC) who might prefer to be an assistant for lifestyle reasons or whatever, there are five other guys who won't rest until their head is the one that wears the crown. So Lucer is far from alone on that.
Now, back to the "York thing" ... after Coach York (who'd previously enjoyed good success at Clarkson in his 30's, and huge success at Bowling Green in mostly his 40's - including a D-1 title) came over to dig BC out of the mess that Count Cedorchuk had created at The Heights (a topic I enjoy FAR more than this one lol), he hired Luce a year into that project. Jim Logue (that name again) was already a Cedorchuk holdover, who worked with York another year prior to Luce's hire), and the three of them - York, Logue and Luce - were together all the way through the end of the 2013 season. Greg Brown - BC's current head coach - joined the coaching team circa 2005. When BC won the D-1 title in 2001, Logue and Luce were his assistants (along with Scott Paluch, who York brought with him from BGSU, and who left a few years after 2001 to HC at BGSU). Brown was around as the 3rd assistant with Logue and Luce for the 2008-2010-2012 trifecta. For those keeping score at home, the D-1 titles won by the long-term assistant coaching team looks like this:
* 4 - Jim Logue
* 4 - Luce Caanan
* 3 - Greg Brown
* 1 - Scott Paluch
It seems something likely happened circa the end of the 2013 season, as Logue retired, and Luce went off to coach at UConn. Maybe Coach York let the guys know he wasn't planning to step down anytime soon (he'd stick around for another decade as it turned out), and then a few years later, Brown left to be an NHL assistant with the Rangers.
It was around the time that he left for UConn that I began to notice frequent comments in the HEA media that seemed to be suggesting Luce was the power behind the throne at The Heights during the York era, and as time went by, some of these same folks seemed to point out often how York hadn't won since Luce left. Luce himself chimed in on the QT a couple of times on this issue. No one - and I mean NO ONE - seemed interested in pointing out that (1) York had won at BGSU without all but Paluch (who BTW had some very good years as BGSU HC after his return), and (2) Jim Logue had been there for every BC York Era title, just like Luce. I made a few well-placed enquiries, and confirmed for myself that there was a high degree of intersectionality between the pro-Luce media pimps and Luce's circle of hockey pals. QED.
In summary ... nothing wrong with ambition, but when it involves tearing down York/trampling Logue ... scummy ...
The more important stuff (from my standpoint) predates the modified "3-for-5", I'll continue to keep that to myself.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why you hate a coach because he wanted to be the head coach of a program he was an assistant at. Not sorry but it makes no sense to me.
I do not get this reference. Anyone who has read Chuck’s posts here and in the Cafe knows that Chuck ain’t a liberal.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
There is a way to go about such things, and a way NOT to go about such things. I found (and still find) it distasteful. What "spoke volumes" was BC's decision to go with Coach Brown instead of Luce two years ago, because I'm sure the BC hiring committee (which IIRC included Jerry York) had to know of Luce's self-promotion narrative at the expense of York, didn't like it, and gave the job to Coach Brown instead. For me, bravo BC.
But still NOT the primary issue from which my lasting dislike of the man arises. Not to put too fine a point on it, but since you seem to not have gotten my gist in my latest posts ... someone else has mentioned a specific incident that goes back not too long after the 2001 BC title which I shall not belabor. Other than to say that Luce's comments and conduct afterwards - as multiple sourced from people IN the BC camp, people outside the BC camp (opposition) and people with Hockey East (!) had all confirmed for me at the time. A lot of subsequent comments and conduct by Luce fell in line with the initial reporting, which I found/still find highly credible.
Now if I ran with the story then, the details likely would have exposed my sources, which is probably why they didn't go with the story on their own. Promises of confidentiality to the sources made my situation a non-starter ... but it does not prevent me from forming my own opinion, nor from sharing that I do have a strong opinion on the topic. Logue and York could personally vouch for the guy to me (neither has to date BTW!) but that wouldn't change my opinion.
Using the moniker Luce Canaan also appropriately distances legitimately good guys like York and Logue from some of the conduct their colleague was attached to. And while I always expect a long-time BC guy like "Nick" to bust my chops if/when given an opportunity to do so ... one thing he cannot discount is that my overall perception of BC Hockey has changed favorably over the years, especially once Luce left town, and then double down on that when he was deemed persona non grata when York's replacement was decided. Again ... bravo BC.
With all due respect to Mrs. Canaan three posts above ... you don't have to like and/or agree with my opinion, but do not discount that it is well-founded and (IMO) well-deserved. And the only person who's been "outed" in the process over the last 10+ seasons has been Luce himself, who is nothing more than a grossly overpaid, mediocre D-1 coach and a mere inconsequential shadow of the guy he constantly knee-capped for years on the QT. I suspect even my old frenemy Nick would agree with some/most of that. Karma, as they say, is a ...
HockeyRef
Well-known member
I do not get this reference. Anyone who has read Chuck’s posts here and in the Cafe knows that Chuck ain’t a liberal.
Really? He's not a liberal? Shucks. Of course the idea that the posts were politicized at all makes me chuckle...Anyhoo...
On another note was messaging a fellow UNH fan and they pointed out BU has had their share of major penalties this season.
Wonder how our own penalty happy bunch will conduct themselves this weekend. We sure don't want to be on the other side of that too often. I will say I'm looking forward to seeing the younger Eiserman play.
And despite our results of the weekend we eeked in on #19 in the poll and #13th PWR. Holding on by a thread...
Sparkee
Blackbear
What does QT stand for?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/on the q.t.
Kinda like what Walshy did in the '90's with his "retroactive financial aid" deals
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/on the q.t.
Kinda like what Walshy did in the '90's with his "retroactive financial aid" deals
Nah, thats the girl in high school you had ur eyes on.
Sparkee
Blackbear
Does any BC fan have any idea what Chuck is talking about? I would think BC fans would take exception if a former assistant was saying bad things about their legendary retired coach and/or program. I’ve only heard, so far, Chuck with this poor opinion of Cavanaugh which is evidently based on info only Chuck knows and can’t share and won’t share his sources when pressured on it. Makes one think there is no legitimate reason Chuck keeps calling Cavanaugh a scumbag if he can’t explain it with any credibility.
Everybody, this guy knows what he's talking about. He's a 'North Andoverite' who ACTUALLY knows 'Cav' and 'Loguey'
And, he can discern anyone's political preference in a hockey forum.
Do us all a favor and go back to Facebook.
Time to get back to hockey and the purpose of this message board.
After a disastrous weekend where there are no positives we stand at 13 in the PairWise.
Road to 20 has taken a beating.
Home and away with BU (#8)
Home with VT (#27)
At BU (#8)
Split Home with BC (#2) and MC (#25 )
Away at maine (#3)
Home and away UMass (#17)
Home and Away BC (#2)
Home and away Lowell (#9)
Winning all home games gets you to 18 wins. Where do the other 2 come from and assuming you don’t run the table at home, where are the away wins?
After a disastrous weekend where there are no positives we stand at 13 in the PairWise.
Road to 20 has taken a beating.
Home and away with BU (#8)
Home with VT (#27)
At BU (#8)
Split Home with BC (#2) and MC (#25 )
Away at maine (#3)
Home and away UMass (#17)
Home and Away BC (#2)
Home and away Lowell (#9)
Winning all home games gets you to 18 wins. Where do the other 2 come from and assuming you don’t run the table at home, where are the away wins?