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UNH 2021 Off-Season Thread: Finally!?!

Lots of portal action since we were last live - including goalies Eric Dop (apparently heading to BC), Jared Moe, Zach Driscoll, Peter Thome and Dylan St Cyr...

There are teams who will make out like bandits in the transfer market and I’m skeptical UNH will be one of them. This is a once in a lifetime (coach’s career) opportunity for a rebuild...

Also Maass is in the portal, so he’ll play college hockey next year, but not in Durham.
 
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Lots of portal action since we were last live - including goalies Eric Dop (apparently heading to BC), Jared Moe, Zach Driscoll, Peter Thome and Dylan St Cyr...

There are teams who will make out like bandits in the transfer market and I’m skeptical UNH will be one of them. This is a once in a lifetime (coach’s career) opportunity for a rebuild...

Also Maass is in the portal, so he’ll play college hockey next year, but not in Durham.

Dan wondering how much room UNH has on the roster to even consider portal players? With the exception of maybe a goalie aren't we pretty full of incoming recruits? I mean I don't know how it all works..Would seem a shame if we can't capitalize if we are able..

Happy Easter to all!!
 
I'm pretty sure we'd all agree what you've outlined above was a characteristic of Umile-coached teams, the "loyalty to the juniors and seniors" piece of it anyway, which only seemed to get more pronounced in Umile's later seasons, sometimes leading to decisions that frankly hurt the program short AND long-term. After all, who can forget the infamous "senior first checking line" concept while Foegele became disenchanted, and other lesser examples. MS7 seems to have distanced himself from overplaying mediocre older kids, and embraced giving younger deserving kids with potential more ice time. Unfortunately, the younger kids he's recruiting, there's not the same depth OR talent as the guys who played for Umile.

But I think your post here really hit paydirt in raising the whole "in game adjustments" angle, which was hung around Umile's neck for almost as long as I can remember, even back to his early days at Snively. How often in a big game, when something might not be working, or something that had been working was neutralized by the opposing coach's own adjustment(s), and you just looked at the UNH bench to see some signs that critical thinking was taking place. Umile was regularly criticized for not using his timeouts more strategically, if ever. And that's not a huge in-game adjustment in and of itself. Maybe stuff was discussed at practices, maybe in between periods, but in game stuff you could see guys like Parker, Walshy and York doing, just never seemed to be happening along the UNH bench during live game action.

As noted above, I think we can see MS7 has done some things differently than his own former coach, but it's hard to see the fruit of his in-game decisions panning out when he's starting from a position of weakness in the overall talent department.

There's a saying I encountered over a decade ago in soccer coaching, which goes "you can't have tactics without technique" which of course is another oversimplification IMO, but the point is, a player's technique (talent) must be optimized if you're going to hope to get maximum effect from your tactics. D'oh, right? But what I've always taken out of that is, you can only go so far with tactics and strategy if you don't have the talented players to implement it to max effectiveness. What you can do is, you can start "coaching up" a fairly average talent pool, get them playing over their heads, maybe get your program a notch or two above where the talent dictates it should otherwise be ... then flip that into a slightly better foundation for your next recruiting class, coach them up another level, lather, rinse, repeat a few seasons, and over time your program builds momentum, you develop a reputation as a teacher and developer, which leads better recruits to your doorstep, and you go from where UNH is now, to where UNH used to be. Gradually but in a positive direction. We should be seeing that by now.

But we haven't, now, have we? So we are stuck where we are, and the reality is, unless MS7 and his staff start to excel in at least one area (and probably multiple areas), it's not likely to change. Can they recruit quality talent in depth? Can they instruct and develop that talent for the next stages of their hockey careers? Can they make effective in-game adjustments that could make the difference in turning 2-3 losses into wins over the course of a season? After 3 full seasons as HC, and 6 seasons of being actively involved in recruiting, here are my grades:

Recruiting Talent in Depth? For 3 years, I'd give MS7 a C- but for his full 6 years, I'd give him a D
Instruct & Develop Talent? For 3 years, MS7 gets an Incomplete, but for 6 years, I'd give him a D+
In-Game Adjustments? For 3 years, I'd give MS7 a C, for the other 3 years, he wasn't in charge

If MS7 can find a way to step up his recruiting game, it makes everything else easier. Gildon could be in the NHL within the next year or two, and we'll see if Crookshank gets to Ottawa or not. Those developments could mean more to MS7's rep as a developer of talent, than whatever Umile and/or Borek got for having JvR and TvR land in their laps (in fairness, someone should get some credit for TvR, he was far from the finished product at UNH, and ditto Brett Pesce). And as UNH plays more important games against better programs, we'll finally get a sense of how MS7 stacks up on in-game adjustments.

Arrgghh! I will never forget. BTW, Foegele scored two goals in Whalers' 4-3 win over Blackhawks on April Fool's Day Night.

You are tough grader, Chuck, but I do not disagree, being old school before grade inflation. A 2.99 GPA kept me out of law school. :-)
 
You are tough grader, Chuck, but I do not disagree, being old school before grade inflation. A 2.99 GPA kept me out of law school. :-)

If we assume a C is still an "average" grade, then I guess I'm still trying to figure out what MS7 and/or his staff are doing in any category that would be considered "above average". If it's out there, I'll acknowledge it. I just haven't seen it ... yet ...
 
Lots of portal action since we were last live - including goalies Eric Dop (apparently heading to BC), Jared Moe, Zach Driscoll, Peter Thome and Dylan St Cyr...

There are teams who will make out like bandits in the transfer market and I’m skeptical UNH will be one of them. This is a once in a lifetime (coach’s career) opportunity for a rebuild...

Also Maass is in the portal, so he’ll play college hockey next year, but not in Durham.

I hope you are right in that it is a once in a lifetime event, but I fear its not.

The one time transfer rule was discussed prior to the covid situation and seems to be a fait accompli.

ALL 2020-21 players get an extra year of eligibility, not just the seniors.

I think we are looking at the new normal, and that's not even factoring in the slippery slope college sports are headed down which will ultimately lead to players being paid.

'Watcher used the word "messy" to describe what the offseason will like in college hockey. I think he was kind. When all is said and done in a few months the entire college hockey universe is going to need to take a long shower.

At one point the NCAA tried to protect its teams from the so-called "tramp athlete." Unfortunately given the times we live in, it finds it necessary to cater to the whiner athlete.

P.S. I want to see the entire program rebuilt not a single team built, though I do concede that the latter may be a step to the prior.
 
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I hope you are right in that it is a once in a lifetime event, but I fear its not.

The one time transfer rule was discussed prior to the covid situation and seems to be a fait accompli.

ALL 2020-21 players get an extra year of eligibility, not just the seniors.

I think we are looking at the new normal, and that's not even factoring in the slippery slope college sports are headed down which will ultimately lead to players being paid.

'Watcher used the word "messy" to describe what the offseason will like in college hockey. I think he was kind. When all is said and done in a few months the entire college hockey universe is going to need to take a long shower.

At one point the NCAA tried to protect its teams from the so-called "tramp athlete." Unfortunately given the times we live in, it finds it necessary to cater to the whiner athlete.

P.S. I want to see the entire program rebuilt not a single team built, though I do concede that the latter may be a step to the prior.

Fantastic post, Felgie.

Can you imagine what a launching pad these next few years of the transfer portal/extra year of eligibility could have been for UNH Hockey, had MS7 and his guys actually made some progress under the "old" system these last few seasons in charge?

No positive momentum, only negative momentum, and no more "new car smell". 0 for 3.

These guys are going to either have to become next-level recruiters - selling those proverbial iceboxes to Eskimos - or they're going to have to coach/instruct their posteriors off. Possibly both. Throw in some retroactive financial aid while we're at it.

I'm at the point where I'd prefer to see Umile, McCloskey and Lassonde back behind the UNH bench, in real time, despite all of the real-life reasons they've all since moved on.
 
Hi all -
As part of a recent group purchase of game worn hockey jerseys, I received a Max Gildon USA Under 17 home/white jersey from the 2015-16 season. Since I'm a Michigan Tech guy, I'm just going to sell it or trade it away, but I figured I would post it here to see if would be of interest to anyone. I'll sell it for $175 OBO including shipping within the US, or I would be willing to trade it for a UNH game worn jersey. Below is a game image of the jersey, but feel free to email me (info@johnsonsjerseys.net) and I can send you photos of the actual jersey as well. Jersey comes with USA Hockey letter of authenticity.
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There are teams who will make out like bandits in the transfer market and I’m skeptical UNH will be one of them. This is a once in a lifetime (coach’s career) opportunity for a rebuild...

Also Maass is in the portal, so he’ll play college hockey next year, but not in Durham.

Sato and Nagle too. No sign of Kelleher, Macadams or Grasso in the portal. Kelleher must be signing overseas, but are Macadams/ Grasso staying?
For the "rebuild" I'm not sure a one-year rental does more than make us a bit better next year. Let's say the choice is one year of Ryan Barrow or Grasso/Macadams on RW, or being able to offer Ellis Rickwood a chance to attend school with his sister for a year? Long term, the Rickwood offer would help UNH on the RW, more than a single year of Barrow/Grasso/Macadams.

https://www.timescolonist.com/sports...chl-1.24302910

Does Souza have enough guts to finally rebuild by a choice that leaves us less well off in the short term, but better 3 years down the road? I'd be a contrarian and use the portal flood on other rosters by scooping up higher upside younger players now that the top to middle schools are overfilled rather that an older one-year stopgap.

Sr.Ward----------Sr.Pierson--------[Grasso/Macadmas/Barrow]
Sr.Stevenson----Sr.Engaras-------So.Gendron
So.Cafarelli------So.Hermann------Fr.Cronin
Fr.Margel--------Fr.Rickwood-------Fr.Evans
So.Richels-------Sr.Cipollone-------Sr.Esposito
Fr.Ring----------Fr.Sweeney--------Jr.Hankinson

Jr.Eriksson--------So.Reid
Sr.McKinnon------Fr.Gagne
Fr.Ardanaz--------Sr.Verrier
Fr.Huard----------So.Jenson
Sr.Semandel------Sr.Hickey

[[Jr.Neaton]]--------Fr.Baliotti-------So.Forman
 
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There will be more transfers in the future than their have been in the past - but I see this year as a one time opportunity due to the sheer number of players in the portal due to the initial back up of COVID. Moving forward team's will have much more time to plan ahead as far as scheduling recruits for arrival and expectations for players to depart...

Certainly, UNH isn't in position for one player to change their fortunes next season or long term - but perception is reality and the perception of UNH effects recruiting. For UNH to take advantage of this season's transfer rush, they'd need to do something more drastic than simply add a goalie and a forward. Whether they would or should do that is a debate for another day - but some team's will chase this strategy.

UVM has 11 players transferring out and has already added three nice upgrades defensively. St. Thomas has the potential to build an immediately competitive roster. In each instance, a short-term perception of success could be a catalyst for long-term recruiting success (UNH could use the boost!)...

I don't look at UNH's long-term recruiting spreadsheet and think a player like Rickwood turns a program around either. I'd love to have him, but is Evans/Rickwood (and the rest) any different from Poturalski/Kelleher (and the rest)? Is the latter even as good as that former? That's why I sometimes wonder about a more dramatic rebuild. Its unfortunate, but it seems necessary, I hate to say. Unfortunately, its also unlikely...

Watcher spoke a lot about Souza, when hired, and a quick strike rebuild/recruiting flourish to change momentum and grow a program. This is that opportunity all over again - but, certainly, it would need to start with more transfers out. To answer Ref's question - UNH can't have the money to make a big splash as currently constructed...
 
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Does Souza have enough guts to finally rebuild by a choice that leaves us less well off in the short term, but better 3 years down the road? I'd be a contrarian and use the portal flood on other rosters by scooping up higher upside younger players now that the top to middle schools are overfilled rather that an older one-year stopgap.

I'm not sure that's going to be the case - most of this year's transfers are just a different type of one-year prospect than the elite 18 year olds. They shouldn't prevent the larger programs from scooping up the top young prospects. The other opportunity THIS season certainly could be to grab any deferred prospects that might be asked to play another season of juniors...

I know neither of us likes the idea of encouraging transfers out or thinning the existing recruiting classes - but that's the type of dramatic action I think it will take to jumpstart any sort of immediate rebuild. The likely reality is they just roll with what they have, kick the can to the 2004/05 birth years and hope that (this time) they'll get initial recruiting done right. And that, unfortunately, is a VERY longterm rebuild...

That would really test my patience, which is why each year I'm more open to UNH behaving like so many other programs have long behaved...
 
I'm not sure that's going to be the case - most of this year's transfers are just a different type of one-year prospect than the elite 18 year olds. They shouldn't prevent the larger programs from scooping up the top young prospects. The other opportunity THIS season certainly could be to grab any deferred prospects that might be asked to play another season of juniors...

I know neither of us likes the idea of encouraging transfers out or thinning the existing recruiting classes - but that's the type of dramatic action I think it will take to jumpstart any sort of immediate rebuild. The likely reality is they just roll with what they have, kick the can to the 2004/05 birth years and hope that (this time) they'll get initial recruiting done right. And that, unfortunately, is a VERY longterm rebuild...

That would really test my patience, which is why each year I'm more open to UNH behaving like so many other programs have long behaved...

The longer the rebuild languishes in its current mediocrity, the harder the jump-start becomes.

This offseason is definitely the last, best opportunity MS7 and staff will get at turning the ship around.

I truly hope he realizes this. It's basically been 6 years now, and signs of progress are few (if any).

Perception is reality, especially in the D-1 recruiting world. If you're a dog, you'll attract dogs ...
 
Barrow is returning to Denver, but Pioneer captain Kohen Olischefski has entered the portal - he'd be a perfect fit on that top line RW; I don't feel he was ever put in a position to maximize his offensive potential at DU...

Minnesota goaltender Jared Moe is heading to Wisconsin, so that's one less option in the crease.
 
It will be interesting to see where guys like Maass and Sato end up next season. I believe Maass was a low round NHL draft pick (WASH?) and showed some Brett Pesce-like potential early in his NHL career, but over the last season or two, his game has devolved into something closer to Joe Pesci. Maybe he'll want to finish up his D-1 career closer to home in Minnesota, but I can't see a huge demand for a 5th year 3rd pairing guy from any of those schools. Or maybe Borek had a hand in bringing Maass to Durham, and he could shore things up for Merrimack for a season?

Sato, I have no clue what his prospects might be? He's an interesting spare part for a strong program on the lookout for a strong skater who (except for a couple of months in his junior year) really has no offensive skills to offer. He did show some versatility in playing on the backline a few times in a pinch, so maybe that's his calling card? I can see him surfacing somewhere else in Hockey East or the ECAC.

Hoping MacAdams returns next season, he's someone who always looked to be playing like he cared.
 
It will be interesting to see where guys like Maass and Sato end up next season. I believe Maass was a low round NHL draft pick (WASH?) and showed some Brett Pesce-like potential early in his NHL career, but over the last season or two, his game has devolved into something closer to Joe Pesci. Maybe he'll want to finish up his D-1 career closer to home in Minnesota, but I can't see a huge demand for a 5th year 3rd pairing guy from any of those schools. Or maybe Borek had a hand in bringing Maass to Durham, and he could shore things up for Merrimack for a season?

Sato, I have no clue what his prospects might be? He's an interesting spare part for a strong program on the lookout for a strong skater who (except for a couple of months in his junior year) really has no offensive skills to offer. He did show some versatility in playing on the backline a few times in a pinch, so maybe that's his calling card? I can see him surfacing somewhere else in Hockey East or the ECAC.

Hoping MacAdams returns next season, he's someone who always looked to be playing like he cared.

Mark Divver @MarkDivver
UNH F Kohei Sato to Bentley as grad transfer
1:34 PM ? Apr 7, 2021?
 
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