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UNH 2021 Off-Season Thread: Finally!?!
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
It's funny, I was checking back to see how the game went, and I was thinking I did pretty good on my predictions, but then I saw Ref's prediction here, and I see I wasn't quite good enough! Score on the button, named the second (not quite first) goal scorer ... wow, impressive.
I think we are probably on the same page though regarding our robo-quote coach, eh?? ;-)
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
WIS predictions/odds for Game Two v. Union
UNH 3 Union 3 (UNH wins 2-1 in shootout)
Over/Under: 5.5 total goals (again, taking the over)
Reported Attendance at The Whitt: 3,750 (slightly up from 3,400)
Compelling MS7 post-game quote: "We're on to Oceanside Arena in Tempe" (?!?!?!?)
UNH 3 Union 3 (UNH wins 2-1 in shootout)
Over/Under: 5.5 total goals (again, taking the over)
Reported Attendance at The Whitt: 3,750 (slightly up from 3,400)
Compelling MS7 post-game quote: "We're on to Oceanside Arena in Tempe" (?!?!?!?)
We missed the first period tonight due to HS volleyball but listened to it. Was not optimistic when 5th year senior goalie falls behind the net and gives up a goal 2 minutes in.
As for observations of the game they always start negative and end positive. Offensive chances were plentiful but too many times there was an extra pass when someone had a shot. The try to make a play instead of shoot probably caused a loss goal or two
For the positive there was a lot of physical play which has been lacking for years. And these were all (except 1 penalty in the 1st) clean hard hits. On both sides of the ice. Guys got into dirty areas and hit guys. No vanilla soft severe dump the puck to not get hit. Many of the good hits tonight were actually Union players trying to take the body and just getting knocked over.
there also was some vintage Krog/Haydar cycling where guys would come out of a corner and find an open D for a shot. It’s early and Union might be awful but it was encouraging to see the play.
student section was pretty full which was nice to see especially ona long weekend
Perfect season still intact
Now for the UNH can make a mess of things. Thanks The mask issue. Signs say they are required but no one said a word walking in not wearing one. There were some who wore them, some without, and then some with it as a chin strap. The players who were sitting walked around with none. Marty wore one but anytime he talked to someone had it off. The band (please go away) had them on but still played. Um they are blowing air anyway through instruments so is there really a point? Upstairs was open but no tables or high tops which was strange.
so for those who didn’t want to go because of masks it’s really not a thing. Plus with empty sections you are at least 6 feet from someone anyway.
Let’s see how tomorrow goes and keeping momentum before going west.
Anyone heading to Libby’s before let me know should be there around 4:30 or so
As for observations of the game they always start negative and end positive. Offensive chances were plentiful but too many times there was an extra pass when someone had a shot. The try to make a play instead of shoot probably caused a loss goal or two
For the positive there was a lot of physical play which has been lacking for years. And these were all (except 1 penalty in the 1st) clean hard hits. On both sides of the ice. Guys got into dirty areas and hit guys. No vanilla soft severe dump the puck to not get hit. Many of the good hits tonight were actually Union players trying to take the body and just getting knocked over.
there also was some vintage Krog/Haydar cycling where guys would come out of a corner and find an open D for a shot. It’s early and Union might be awful but it was encouraging to see the play.
student section was pretty full which was nice to see especially ona long weekend
Perfect season still intact
Now for the UNH can make a mess of things. Thanks The mask issue. Signs say they are required but no one said a word walking in not wearing one. There were some who wore them, some without, and then some with it as a chin strap. The players who were sitting walked around with none. Marty wore one but anytime he talked to someone had it off. The band (please go away) had them on but still played. Um they are blowing air anyway through instruments so is there really a point? Upstairs was open but no tables or high tops which was strange.
so for those who didn’t want to go because of masks it’s really not a thing. Plus with empty sections you are at least 6 feet from someone anyway.
Let’s see how tomorrow goes and keeping momentum before going west.
Anyone heading to Libby’s before let me know should be there around 4:30 or so
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Thanks for the report, norbert. So it's kind of like in a lot of NH establishments, where there is signage recommending face coverings, but in small print (or unstated) they say "never mind" if you've gotten the vaccine, so you're pretty much on the honor system. Encouraging (for now), at least 'til the predictable uproar from some Karens who can't help themselves from thinking they know what's best for everyone else, nagging UNH arena folks into enforcement.
I've taken the plunge for another year of coaching, so my appearances at UNH games will be rare anyway. Had there been more positive "we're going to treat everyone like the responsible adults they are" messaging earlier from UNH, I might have opted differently? Well, c'est la vie. Happy to be back coaching, after a tough last season-plus, on and off the pitch.
It says masks required but my guess is it’s CYA at this point. As mentioned very few wore them properly and not a word was said.
The closest people to another were the players who did not have to wear them. The band playing and literally blowing air in the student section. Add to that everyone who got a drink and was on the concourse talking with someone mask down to drink.
it’s really a pointless exercise but that’s UNH
The closest people to another were the players who did not have to wear them. The band playing and literally blowing air in the student section. Add to that everyone who got a drink and was on the concourse talking with someone mask down to drink.
it’s really a pointless exercise but that’s UNH
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Yeah Chuck was pleased to see that I was right on with the score! Here's my predicts tonight:
UNH 3 UNION1
First goal: Liam Devlin
No Over Under ha!
Coach quote : Arizona this time of year will be nice....
Go 'Cats! And this synchophant can't wait to see the new participation banner tonight....My motto? As long as the 'Cats are still skatin' this fan is in hockey heaven!!!
UNH 3 UNION1
First goal: Liam Devlin
No Over Under ha!
Coach quote : Arizona this time of year will be nice....
Go 'Cats! And this synchophant can't wait to see the new participation banner tonight....My motto? As long as the 'Cats are still skatin' this fan is in hockey heaven!!!
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Just to help a little with the over/under stuff, HR ... it's the line for total goals scored between the two teams. So last night it would have been 5, which was just under the 5.5 line. You are predicting 4 above (and 5 for last night) so you have the under, by definition.
We'll let the hardcore gamblers determine if an OT goal should be included in the over/under or not. I'll stick with only regulation goals here.
Also, "sycophant" only has one "h" and one "n". Looks like you may have retired too early ... ;-)
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Lol was a health teacher not an English teacher and couldn't have retired at a better time but I do appreciate the help on that as well as the over/ under
Found is is an understatement. It was an awful game. UNH found last nights energy the last 10 minutes but the first 50 was sloppy. Could not pass, would not shoot when they had the change, and basically back to what we have seen the last 10 years.
Too much look for pass first rather than shoot. The last 2 goals were all about getting the puck on the net and getting a goal. Tonight was what I thought it would be a regression from last night. Luckily they got the W, hopefully the coaches pick up on this.
Other than injury I would like to know why the line up changed? You controlled the entire game Friday but switch things up?
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Thanks for the insight into the game, norbert. I'll pick on MS7 for a lot of things, but if he wants to keep his players on their toes and working honestly to earn their ice time, I have no problem with him making some line-up changes - especially this early in the season. There can be no "sacred cows" in a line-up that features many of the same players who brought us the disaster that was last season (or even the season before that). If MS7 can keep this rolling in the desert next weekend, I'm not going to beat him over the head for winning a few winnable games. More, please.
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Sure it wasn't pretty in fact itwas down right ugly for both teams but I saw a do not quit UNH team out there in their second game scapping for every point. A W is a W . Obviously work to do and noting it was not BC we were playing.
Love the hustle of Liam Devlin amd Engaras' game tying goal was a beauty. Shaky on the 5 on 3 but hey at least they didn't go behind the net Snively lol. Good for Cippolone being in the right place at the right time..
I am remiss for not noting line up changes where was Chronin? And back up Goalie Fessenden (sp) not on score sheet?
Felt great to be back at the 'Whitt...
Love the hustle of Liam Devlin amd Engaras' game tying goal was a beauty. Shaky on the 5 on 3 but hey at least they didn't go behind the net Snively lol. Good for Cippolone being in the right place at the right time..
I am remiss for not noting line up changes where was Chronin? And back up Goalie Fessenden (sp) not on score sheet?
Felt great to be back at the 'Whitt...
Ha, ha, ha, HR! You beat me to it, as after seeing the ~1:20 of 5 on 3 PP in the box score and no results, I was about to ask if Souza once again stationed two forwards behind the opposition's net. Dan assured us a couple of years ago that the strategy worked, at least once anyway.
UNH Wild Kitties are once again going for the Championship of October, Chuck!
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Hate to leave unfinished business hanging, so here are the answers to perhaps the least popular quiz in the history of WIS offseason/preseason quizzes, on the subject of maskless goalies ...
(1) True or False: starting his NHL career in Detroit, and finishing it up in the WHA in Indy, (Andy) Brown is one of the few players to skate on the same teams as Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky?
False. Although both shared a bookend career stop in the hockey hotbed of Indianapolis IN, their respective times with the Racers did not overlap, by just over a year
(2) True or False: Gump Worsley retired in the early 1970's, was the second-to-last goalie to ever play mask-less, and also never wore a mask in his over 20 NHL seasons?
True AND False. Gump was the second-to-last maskless goalie, but he did end up wearing a mask in his final NHL season
(3) Who was the last goalie to win a Stanley Cup while not wearing a mask, what team/season?
Rogie Vachon, Montreal 1969, with his backup being the aforementioned Gump Worsley
(4) Brown once held the NHL record for single season PIM's for a goalie. Who holds it now?
Not surprisingly, Ron Hextall
(5) Who was the last Bruins' goalie to play an NHL game without a face mask?
Eddie Johnston went maskless for roughly a full season after Gerry Cheevers first donned his famous "saved stitches" mask. Johnston was eventually convinced to see the benefits of using the protective mask after a life-threatening pregame incident at the Olympia Stadium in Detroit on Halloween night in 1968, when a stray Bobby Orr slapshot put him in a coma for 6 weeks
Some great B's and Bobby Orr stories mentioned in the linked article below. Vividly remember as a kid, driving on Route 1 in Rowley MA (small North Shore town between Topsfield and Newburyport), and seeing "EJ's" bar by the roadside. Several of my cousins growing up lived in the same town as many of the B's players and their families, so we would hear interesting little stories all the time about what some of the guys did off the ice. Let's just say that EJ isn't exaggerating when he says things got a little hectic off the ice with the Big Bad B's back in the day!
NHL -- Eddie Johnston is more than the Pittsburgh Penguins' good-luck charm (espn.com)
(1) True or False: starting his NHL career in Detroit, and finishing it up in the WHA in Indy, (Andy) Brown is one of the few players to skate on the same teams as Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky?
False. Although both shared a bookend career stop in the hockey hotbed of Indianapolis IN, their respective times with the Racers did not overlap, by just over a year
(2) True or False: Gump Worsley retired in the early 1970's, was the second-to-last goalie to ever play mask-less, and also never wore a mask in his over 20 NHL seasons?
True AND False. Gump was the second-to-last maskless goalie, but he did end up wearing a mask in his final NHL season
(3) Who was the last goalie to win a Stanley Cup while not wearing a mask, what team/season?
Rogie Vachon, Montreal 1969, with his backup being the aforementioned Gump Worsley
(4) Brown once held the NHL record for single season PIM's for a goalie. Who holds it now?
Not surprisingly, Ron Hextall
(5) Who was the last Bruins' goalie to play an NHL game without a face mask?
Eddie Johnston went maskless for roughly a full season after Gerry Cheevers first donned his famous "saved stitches" mask. Johnston was eventually convinced to see the benefits of using the protective mask after a life-threatening pregame incident at the Olympia Stadium in Detroit on Halloween night in 1968, when a stray Bobby Orr slapshot put him in a coma for 6 weeks
Some great B's and Bobby Orr stories mentioned in the linked article below. Vividly remember as a kid, driving on Route 1 in Rowley MA (small North Shore town between Topsfield and Newburyport), and seeing "EJ's" bar by the roadside. Several of my cousins growing up lived in the same town as many of the B's players and their families, so we would hear interesting little stories all the time about what some of the guys did off the ice. Let's just say that EJ isn't exaggerating when he says things got a little hectic off the ice with the Big Bad B's back in the day!
NHL -- Eddie Johnston is more than the Pittsburgh Penguins' good-luck charm (espn.com)