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UNH 2021 Off-Season Thread: Finally!?!

I would take Harrison Blaisdell. Lost on the North Dakota depth chart, but a big prospect (and Chuck will love him because his dad was a Red Wing first rounder in 1980)

Mike Blaisdell, another in a long line of horrific Dead Wings draft picks back around that time. IIRC he put up an obscene amount of goals in his final year in Juniors, had a decent year or two in Detroit, but never lived up to that big year in Regina, got traded to the Rangers (the Wings and Rangers swapped a lot of mediocre players back and forth in that era), and spent most of the decade shuttling between the NHL and the AHL. I think "love" is a little bit over the top, 'Watcher, but I always appreciate the effort to dredge up these obscure links to the Dead Wings' heyday. :-)
 
Back when the UNH braintrust was finalizing the post Umile plans, a hockey insider said "take a look at Carvel, you cant go wrong". So MS dutifully did go and check out Carvel, but was told that all he could get was the Cookie Puss, so that is what he chose. Looks like UMass did a bit more homework on the available Carvel choices. :-)
 
Back when the UNH braintrust was finalizing the post Umile plans, a hockey insider said "take a look at Carvel, you cant go wrong". So MS dutifully did go and check out Carvel, but was told that all he could get was the Cookie Puss, so that is what he chose. Looks like UMass did a bit more homework on the available Carvel choices. :-)

Personally, back in the day, I was a big fan of Fudgy the Whale myself ... :-)

Yep folks, it's gonna happen (again) ... another HEA team is gonna get to the Promised Land this weekend before Your UNH Wildcats. Looking back at the history of the league dating back to 1985, there was never really going to be an issue with BU or BC getting there (although we sure did have fun for the better part of a couple of decades with the inevitable wait for the latter), they've always been the "lead dogs" in this thing. UMaine was the first dark horse to get there, pipping even BC to the D-1 title (not counting the '49 BC title with wooden pucks, etc.) and doing it twice* (or once, depending on your views on retroactive financial aid, etc.).

In the days of the then so-called "Big Four", that only left UNH out of the party, and we had a few close calls, but it just never happened. As UNH gradually faded into their current state of oblivion, UMass Lowell moved up and almost made it happen, and then PC DID make it happen that one time where the BU goalie helpfully threw the puck into his own net late in the game, and since then UMass Amherst has been the latest to be nipping at the big title (they'll win it tomorrow night). Northeastern may have their day in the near future, if Keefe keeps the talent flowing for Coach Madigan.

Whither UNH? With the meteoric and unexpected rise of UMass under Coach Carvel, the list of non-winners starts at UNH, goes through Lowell on down to Northeastern, and then there's UConn, UVM (came close once in the ECAC) and Merrimack.

BU had Coach Parker (HoF), BC has Coach York (HoF) and UMaine had Walshy (my HoF). Leaman and Carvel are the "new" hotshots in the league, while Coach Bazin has probably done more with less than any coach in league history. It seems like there's a template for how to make this all work, but about half the league seems blissfully ignorant of the template, and the results they've experienced reflect that ignorance.

I'll confess, it used to bother me when other schools "trumped" UNH to the D-1 title, especially Yale and Union, and the way Providence won it still rankles me a bit. But it eventually dawned on me that those programs were "guilty" of finding a way to win, and in the end, isn't that what everyone is shooting for anyway? So good for them, good luck to UMass Amherst (or even St. Cloud, who used to be termed "The UNH of the West" due to their post-season gaffes), I bear no animosity or jealousy.

And to the folks in charge at UNH ... get yer fecking fat arses in gear, and start actually doing smart things to get back to the upper tier of D-1 hockey. Or get out of the way, and let someone else do it.
 
RIP Red Gendron.

Just saw that on the UMaine thread, just ... wow, after all of the discussion about his future with the program, this happens while he's chilling with pals on the golf course. Just speculating, but you have to think stress over his uncertain status next season didn't help things? It's easy for me to forget sometimes, these are real people, living very real lives. Just so, so sad.

It was only a few years ago when I was screwing around with a silly "Souza Dick & Stu" offseason bit, based on an imaginary golf event at Mount Hood GC in Coach Umile's hometown. These guys all play hard during the highly competitive D-1 hockey season, golf in the offseason is supposed to be a time to relax and let your hair down with buddies. And then this happens.

Godspeed to Red and condolences to the Gendron family.
 
This is stunning to the point it’s not believable. My dad and uncle grew up with him so games at the Whit I’d look for him in the stands to talk. I remember back when he was a video coach for the Devils and won the Cup his day was back in Berlin with a major event. This is beyond sad
 
This is stunning to the point it’s not believable. My dad and uncle grew up with him so games at the Whit I’d look for him in the stands to talk. I remember back when he was a video coach for the Devils and won the Cup his day was back in Berlin with a major event. This is beyond sad

I know a couple of people who knew Red from his Berlin days...they are devastated. Very sad indeed and way too soon.
 
Personally, back in the day, I was a big fan of Fudgy the Whale myself ... :-)

Yep folks, it's gonna happen (again) ... another HEA team is gonna get to the Promised Land this weekend before Your UNH Wildcats. Looking back at the history of the league dating back to 1985, there was never really going to be an issue with BU or BC getting there (although we sure did have fun for the better part of a couple of decades with the inevitable wait for the latter), they've always been the "lead dogs" in this thing. UMaine was the first dark horse to get there, pipping even BC to the D-1 title (not counting the '49 BC title with wooden pucks, etc.) and doing it twice* (or once, depending on your views on retroactive financial aid, etc.).

In the days of the then so-called "Big Four", that only left UNH out of the party, and we had a few close calls, but it just never happened. As UNH gradually faded into their current state of oblivion, UMass Lowell moved up and almost made it happen, and then PC DID make it happen that one time where the BU goalie helpfully threw the puck into his own net late in the game, and since then UMass Amherst has been the latest to be nipping at the big title (they'll win it tomorrow night). Northeastern may have their day in the near future, if Keefe keeps the talent flowing for Coach Madigan.

Whither UNH? With the meteoric and unexpected rise of UMass under Coach Carvel, the list of non-winners starts at UNH, goes through Lowell on down to Northeastern, and then there's UConn, UVM (came close once in the ECAC) and Merrimack.

BU had Coach Parker (HoF), BC has Coach York (HoF) and UMaine had Walshy (my HoF). Leaman and Carvel are the "new" hotshots in the league, while Coach Bazin has probably done more with less than any coach in league history. It seems like there's a template for how to make this all work, but about half the league seems blissfully ignorant of the template, and the results they've experienced reflect that ignorance.

I'll confess, it used to bother me when other schools "trumped" UNH to the D-1 title, especially Yale and Union, and the way Providence won it still rankles me a bit. But it eventually dawned on me that those programs were "guilty" of finding a way to win, and in the end, isn't that what everyone is shooting for anyway? So good for them, good luck to UMass Amherst (or even St. Cloud, who used to be termed "The UNH of the West" due to their post-season gaffes), I bear no animosity or jealousy.

And to the folks in charge at UNH ... get yer fecking fat arses in gear, and start actually doing smart things to get back to the upper tier of D-1 hockey. Or get out of the way, and let someone else do it.

My recollection is that Umile leveraged an offer from UMass after the 1999-2000 season to stay longgggg-term at UNH. Toot Cahoon had only moderate success over his 12 seasons at UMass, but what might have been?

I would be fine with a NC to another HEA school tonight, especially after UMass came close two years ago.
 
So wait... Paying for a coach and good assistants then giving a travel budget to go find talent works... Shocking
 
So wait... Paying for a coach and good assistants then giving a travel budget to go find talent works... Shocking

Yes, this has to sting for Marty S. The year after Umile told Marty to pluck his guy, U.Mass took the bold move of hiring someone who had actually been a head coach anywhere. Or even someone who had been an assistant at a top 50 program. But I'm sure U.Mass won't last. After all, their arena was built in 1993, and doesn't have a jumbletron. Plus it is 200X 95, not 90, so they can't get good players who want NHL rinks.

Happy for Hockey East, and glad to have a program UNH can see about how to build. I hope UNH defense develops like the U.Mass one, to add to offense even if there are no big horses up front. And the UNH forward see how to battle for pucks, nut primarily using the body, but using the stick and being strong on the puck.

Let's see where Barr goes, or if he waits to see if Carvel leaves for the NHL.

I think Barr has now won the NCAAs at Union, Providence and U.Mass. Too bad he didn't go to UNH, or be willing to humor Dick's quest for 3 years, so wasn't eligible for the job here.
 
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Yes, this has to sting for Marty S. The year after Umile told Marty to pluck his guy, U.Mass took the bold move of hiring someone who had actually been a head coach anywhere. Or even someone who had been an assistant at a top 50 program. But I'm sure U.Mass won't last. After all, their arena was built in 1993, and doesn't have a jumbletron. Plus it is 200X 95, not 90, so they can't get good players who want NHL rinks.

Happy for Hockey East, and glad to have a program UNH can see about how to build. I hope UNH defense develops like the U.Mass one, to add to offense even if there are no big horses up front. And the UNH forward see how to battle for pucks, nut primarily using the body, but using the stick and being strong on the puck.

Let's see where Barr goes, or if he waits to see if Carvel leaves for the NHL.

I think Barr has now won the NCAAs at Union, Providence and U.Mass. Too bad he didn't go to UNH, or hang with Dick, so wasn't eligible for the job here.

After what happened yesterday wouldn’t be surprising to see Barr gone sooner rather than later.
 
I think one of the big things Greg Carvel did when he came to UMass (and this was widely known) that he was to bring his guys, set things up his way and Bamford ran with it. He had a culture in mind for the school and in 5 years, he's hoisting the much alluded hardware. And kudos to them for doing so! They are a highly skilled team with a ton of depth, strong everywhere and they do not give up. Throw in the hard nosed coaching and welp you've gotta NC! I am very happy for HE but of course I'm also thinking about, well, you know, how much we'd all love to see UNH in this same position.

Argh, the off season has officially started!
 
After what happened yesterday wouldn’t be surprising to see Barr gone sooner rather than later.

Drew, am so sorry for the loss of your coach...I had to tell a very good friend of his that works in my school system who had not heard. It was very, very hard thinking of Maine fans!
 
Yes, this has to sting for Marty S. The year after Umile told Marty to pluck his guy, U.Mass took the bold move of hiring someone who had actually been a head coach anywhere. Or even someone who had been an assistant at a top 50 program. But I'm sure U.Mass won't last. After all, their arena was built in 1993, and doesn't have a jumbletron. Plus it is 200X 95, not 90, so they can't get good players who want NHL rinks.

Happy for Hockey East, and glad to have a program UNH can see about how to build. I hope UNH defense develops like the U.Mass one, to add to offense even if there are no big horses up front. And the UNH forward see how to battle for pucks, nut primarily using the body, but using the stick and being strong on the puck.

Let's see where Barr goes, or if he waits to see if Carvel leaves for the NHL.

First of all, congrats to the UMass Minutemen on winning the D-1 championship. I never doubted for a second they would win it all this offseason. Easiest picks I've made for several years now.

I was thinking just earlier this evening ... will the Carvel/Barr duo stay together and forge a historical dynasty in Western MA, or will they seek new riches elsewhere? Even if this dynamic duo ends right here and now, they have already proven to be the biggest disruptors Hockey East has seen since the glory days of Walshy & Standbrook at the opposite end of New England. If they stick around for the long term - more likely IMO for Carvel than for Barr, which goes to show how unique the Standbrook situation was in Orono - they look like they could have a long runway in front of them, with Coach York's BC program likely to finish in the not-too-distant future, and with BU still lacking the old Coach Parker gravitas in Eastern hockey. Coach Leaman arguably slides into the role as chief challengers to the new powerhouse, and in the meantime, Carvel (and Barr?) could put together a Walshy-like decade-plus run where they would be regular FF participants, and battle it out annually with the long time established powers like NoDak and (more recently) Minnesota Duluth. Heady times indeed for the folks at UMass.

Carvel would be crazy to leave UMass for the NHL FWIW, unless he's chasing a payday. There's a long line of guys like him who failed to translate college success to NHL success, for any number of reasons. Barr, on the other hand, is a young guy who probably has earned the right to run his own D-1 program, make a bigger paycheck, and will want to give that a spin. Patient long-term assistants like Standbrook don't happen too frequently (see McCloskey, Brian).

SCSU certainly did their old "UNH West" reputation for postseason futility no harm tonight. It's amazing how water seems to magically find its own level, time after time after time, isn't it?

Tough night for the UNH AD, slightly less so for the UConn AD, who can at least point to a lot of hoops trophies to cover over disastrous coaching decisions to run their D-1 hockey programs.
 
I think one of the big things Greg Carvel did when he came to UMass (and this was widely known) that he was to bring his guys, set things up his way and Bamford ran with it. He had a culture in mind for the school and in 5 years, he's hoisting the much alluded hardware. And kudos to them for doing so! They are a highly skilled team with a ton of depth, strong everywhere and they do not give up. Throw in the hard nosed coaching and welp you've gotta NC! I am very happy for HE but of course I'm also thinking about, well, you know, how much we'd all love to see UNH in this same position.

Argh, the off season has officially started!

As hinted at elsewhere, the UMass teams of recent years remind me most of Walshy's old UMaine teams. Talented, prepared and tough as nails in a very disciplined way. Not a big fan of the term "culture" as I think that's more of a popular buzzword these days when a coach wants to sound like he's got a plan, when most really don't (looking at you, MS7). If the person running your program has a very clear mindset of what that program is going to play like, what qualities are going to be the trademarks of your program, what stuff is rewarded, and what won't be tolerated, etc. - then you have a fighting chance. And if that person can get talented kids with character to buy into what they are selling, you're on your way to greatness.

I'd love to see UNH in this position someday before I leave the planet. But it's not going to happen by accident, or with a half-a$$ed succession plan constructed primarily to get off the hook from the previous guy's lifetime contract. Why not go out and hire Ben Barr right here and now? Or offer it to Jerry Keefe?? Some talented assistant with a legitimate recruiting history???

Or we can just stick with the status quo and kick the can down the road another decade or so until some new AD grows a pair and finally makes the tough-but-necessary decisions?

Here's a video hint at what I'd like to see happen sometime soon ...
 
As hinted at elsewhere, the UMass teams of recent years remind me most of Walshy's old UMaine teams. Talented, prepared and tough as nails in a very disciplined way. Not a big fan of the term "culture" as I think that's more of a popular buzzword these days when a coach wants to sound like he's got a plan, when most really don't (looking at you, MS7). If the person running your program has a very clear mindset of what that program is going to play like, what qualities are going to be the trademarks of your program, what stuff is rewarded, and what won't be tolerated, etc. - then you have a fighting chance. And if that person can get talented kids with character to buy into what they are selling, you're on your way to greatness.

I'd love to see UNH in this position someday before I leave the planet. But it's not going to happen by accident, or with a half-***ed succession plan constructed primarily to get off the hook from the previous guy's lifetime contract. Why not go out and hire Ben Barr right here and now? Or offer it to Jerry Keefe?? Some talented assistant with a legitimate recruiting history???

Or we can just stick with the status quo and kick the can down the road another decade or so until some new AD grows a pair and finally makes the tough-but-necessary decisions?

Here's a video hint at what I'd like to see happen sometime soon ...

Hmmm....WWBD? ;) Trying to be nice here but, has somehow I just can't see that happening ever as things stand right now.
 
As hinted at elsewhere, the UMass teams of recent years remind me most of Walshy's old UMaine teams. Talented, prepared and tough as nails in a very disciplined way.

Post-suspension Walsh, but his first decade 83-93 were blue chippah after blue chippah. Capped by the class of all classes in 93, Kariya and the Ferraro twins. The suspension in 94 or 95 put a crimp in that, and he back filled based on his reputation, and that undertalented team in 99 upset a talented Wildcat team, with little more than hard working kids.

Carvel stepped into U.Mass with two players he didn't recruit: Makar already in place, and a Springfield kid who chose not to go to UNH like the Kellehers, but to stay local (Leonard). They're both in the NHL now. If anything, he has built around some talent on D (Jones, Delgaizo, Ferraro) and hard working kids. His best forward this year, Trivigno, was not recruited by BC, where his sister played. The rest are NAHL sorts. If anything, the team is reminiscent of Union and Yale's championships. Hard work moreso than recruited talent.


Not a big fan of the term "culture" as I think that's more of a popular buzzword these days when a coach wants to sound like he's got a plan, when most really don't (looking at you, MS7). If the person running your program has a very clear mindset of what that program is going to play like, what qualities are going to be the trademarks of your program, what stuff is rewarded, and what won't be tolerated, etc. - then you have a fighting chance. And if that person can get talented kids with character to buy into what they are selling, you're on your way to greatness.

Not to react too much to this year and a single elimination tourney. I suspect we would have a very different result if North Dakota had not been upset. Instead, we get a very underwhelming Final Four in terms of talent. Duluth was a shell of its past two years, with talent on the top two lines that was more persistent than exceptional. St.Cloud, too. Of the four teams, maybe 4 players make the NHL. If you try and recreate the last NCAA FF participants, you fall into the idea of trying to be Union or Yale, when it was a once-in-a-lifetime run, and is not sustainable there, or in your own program.

Carvel and Barr have a couple of nice kids lined up early (thanks in part to geography and ties to the team in McEwen), and will probably get a top 4 in the region kid in Leonard's brother, but its not like they are going head to head and getting NE talent at a level of BC, BU or even Northeastern. They are doing a quasi-Bazin, where you look at the roster and don't see how they are getting as much out of them. They will obviously be a continued presence in the "big 4) while Carvel remains, but I would not annoint them a permanent member of that club. As Bazin/Union shows, you can find hidden gems, but expecting to do so over the course of a decade is another.

In the past, I could look at teams like Denver with Carle, BC with everyone, BU with its first rounders, and see transormative players make a key play. With the message that UNH had to improve talent level. Even this year, we saw how Crookshank could turn a game. But that falls apart when you see this batch.

Now, on the point of "culture," I an loathe to acknowledge this, because I'm a "talent" guy. But there is a tenacity to U.Mass that UNH needs to get. And its not physicality in the sense of size or even "finishing the check" sort of running around hitting guys. There was almost no late checks, the exception being the *penalty* to Gaudet. Nor was there defensemen and forwards throwing themselves in front of shots, where you could say UNH needs a 6'4 shot blocker. Instead, you had a team committed to defense in the way of always being near a player on D, and engaging. Not just "standing within a sticks' length where I could say I am on him."

U.Mass was very strong on the puck, not banging bodies, but on their sticks. They dug down low when the puck was in a scrum, and if the player tried to turn out of the scrum, the U.Mass sticks tied them down. On offense, twhen they got the pucks along the boards, they didn't just stand there hoping to shield the puck from the D with their size, but to turn out of the check and make a play.

So, on the point of culture, it's easier to change culture when you have two NHL players on the roster, including a future NHL rookie of the year. It's also easier to change culture when you have an NHL pedigree, and the two recruits in place stay through a regime change (compare, Farabee, Ryczek) and your second best defenseman follows you from St.Lawrence (Del Gaizo) and other recruits follow you from your prior team. Alas, that requires players buying into you. But Carvel did also bring in a class of 10 freshmen to blow out the existing roster, and instill a new culture.

Up to 10 underclassmen won’t be back for the 2017-18 hockey season at the University of Massachusetts, including defenseman William Lagesson who elected to forgo his final two seasons of collegiate eligibility to sign with the Edmonton Oilers.

The other underclassmen won’t be back due to usual factors surrounding a coaching change. With Greg Carvel and his staff entering their second season in Amherst, up to 9 players will not be back because of being asked to leave the team or a concern over lack of playing time.

https://www.sbncollegehockey.com/hoc...ovanna-renyard


Vermont's new coach brings in 10 or so of his guys. Watch what proven assistant, first year on the job Kris Mayotte does at Colorado.

Of course, this is the opposite of what UNH did, which was to try a seamless transition from a failing regime to the new guy, and giving every 5th year kid with eligibility a return ticket. (Dawson/Grasso) And the new guy didn't buy into the need for change, and so made almost no personnel changes, and really had no plan for bringing in "his guys" other than hitting his old haunts for Austin Prep/Malden Catholic kids, waiting 5 months to bring in your first recruit, and ony netting 4 recruits in the first year).

Again, I don't want to dwell on the complete deviation from norms, and look instead where UNH is now. The defensemen are a strength talent wise, and U.Mass shows you can make due with that even if the stars aren't up front. However, you need a stout goalie or two. The D need to have the puck skills they currently have, but also engage on D. I don't want a 6'3 shot blocker or "clear out the crease" kid, but a 5'10 guy who gets into the sticks of the offensive guys. It's a lot less painful than rewarding a guy like Verrier for leading in block shots. Tie guys up, stay between the player and the goal, and stick close to them and you don't need to dive infront of a 85 MPH shot. Getting buy in from the players requires having a coach with credibility. Let's see if that can be a thing at UNH.
 
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