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UNH 2021 Off-Season Thread: Finally!?!

Teams fail to win National Championship tournaments because there are 15 other teams capable of beating anyone on any night, it's a single elimination format and only one team can win in the end. Ice size has nothing to do with it. More importantly, ice size is clearly NOT a hinderance to recruiting or putting yourself in a position to compete for a title, which is all you can ask for. After that its about execution...

We're told that the larger surface prevents UNH from recruiting and getting to NCAA Tournaments - yet it clearly hasn't held those five teams back in either area, semantic arguments aside. So what's different at UNH?
 
Borrowed from the BU thread. They're not happy that their third year HC lost in the NCAAs
That's a good point. I can't picture a first time head coach getting more than 5 years and he's already p!ssed away 3 of them. If we have the same season next year BU has to 1) extend his contract, 2) let him coach as a lame duck in year 5, or 3) fire him and hire a real coach. Tremendous pressure on double wide next season.
 
A huge - no, make that a HUGE - problem right now is that outside perceptions of the UNH program have probably never been this low in the last 50 years. Sure, there was a downturn towards the end of the Holt era in the early years of Hockey East in the mid-1980's. But back then, UNH could still point to having had recent history in the Frozen Four earlier in that decade, so it was not too surprising or shocking when Coach Kullen was able to lay the groundwork for what would become the program's renaissance in the early '90's under Coach Umile. Hockey was always a big deal at UNH, and the home crowd's passion was a selling point, too. So even when the program was "down", most knew it would bounce back (it did).

Compare that with today, when the program is almost a generation separated from FF participation - meaning none of the kids you're trying to recruit have any memory of UNH being a high-profile program. The Whitt is half-filled most nights (way back when crowds were actually allowed), and the energy level that used to be sky-high even in the early years of the new building, are distant memories, deliberately tamped down by higher-ups who were more concerned about silly PC standards to play to younger fans' sensibilities, who were never the core UNH support, than they were about catering to diehard UNH support. Top it all off with a seemingly earnest head coach who lacks any apparent charisma, speaks in endless streams of tiresome cliches, and possesses no recruiting or instructional gravitas to differentiate his product to the prospects that could turn the program around, and you are stuck looking down a very empty corridor pointing to nowhere but the bottom of the league.

Changing the size of the ice surface isn't going to change squat about how competitive the program is, any more than the new scoreboard and other tech doo-dads changed things, or how building a better weight room or study space, etc. Your best chance of instilling a so-called "culture" was back when you took over the program on your own, which is now nearing three full years ago. There is no signature "UNH style", unlike when Coach Holt was in charge, and later on when Coach Umile was in charge (at least through the first two decades).

You can't put lipstick on a pig. In the end, it's still a pig, and that in a nutshell is where UNH Hockey finds itself right now. Right with other failed regimes in UVM, UMaine and (yes, still) UConn, mediocre hockey year after year after year. Look at how things changed at the former Humpty Dumpty of Hockey East, UMass Amherst when they brought in a coach and AD who were determined to succeed. Look at how Coach Bazin changed years of mediocrity at Lowell, and ditto Coach Leaman at PC. Even Coach Madigan eventually gained some traction at NU after some early false steps, when he took a different approach to recruiting.

According to none other than noted sports psychologist Albert Einstein, the “definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.” That's kind of where it seems the current regime - AD and his six-year head coaching succession project - have gotten to right now. The problem isn't one of fine-tuning - it's WAY deeper than that. In terms often used in British football ... the rot has set in at UNH Hockey, and it's set in deeply. This is not the time for folks to rearrange the deck chairs - this is time for changing the captain(s) of the ship.

I have fond memories of MS7 as a player, but UNH has now been his program to build for six (6) full years, and the arc is no different than it was from his time recruiting for Brown and UConn. He hasn't found his recruiting "voice" here yet, and I'm not sure there is any reason to think he's going to find it anytime soon. The "residue" of the final Umile/Borek years is now pretty much gone, but so is the "new car smell" that MS7 could have been selling. The six-year plan can now officially be deemed a failure to transition UNH back to its former station in D-1 hockey, as a legitimate competitor on a regular basis.

And when six-year plans are deemed to be failures, the architect of said plan needs to go first. And then the new "architect" gets to make a new plan, and they also get to determine who is in charge of executing the new plan. I think that's where UNH needs to be, and the sooner the better.

JMHO
 
Thanks for giving me an excuse to bring that post over here, if others haven't seen it (see below). I'm just a little ticked off at the current UNH Hockey regime, let's put it that way ...

To piggy back off of Chucks ‘time of year’ post in the other thread, a tough day for the UNH does the best it can in recruiting crowd...

Five of the eight schools ‘scheduled’ to compete yesterday in the NCAA Tournament were some combination of non-blue blood/non-city/DII/smaller school/competes for prospects in the shadow of P5/historic programs. Yet somehow they managed to be relevant by making good coaching hires, belief and passing on the excuse making...

Four more of those ‘up against it schools’ will open their tournaments today.

That doesn't include NoDak - yes, they're a Blue Blood, but they're one through sheer investment and belief. They want it, and demand it, despite competing in the direct shadow of Minn, ND, Wisc and Mich...

Oh, also - SCSU (200x100), Minn (200x100), UMass (200x97), Wisc (200x97) and Minn St (200x90)...

It's at this time of the year, this time of the D-1 college hockey season, where the downfall of UNH Hockey really hits home. This used to be a great time for traveling to Boston and beyond to see exciting, spirited and highly competitive hockey, along with having a home-town rooting interest. Will the 'Cats make it to Boston? How will they fare at the HE Tourney? Will they be selected for the big tourney, and if so (and not long ago, it usually wasn't an if), where will they be sent, and who will they be facing? Can they win a couple of tough games over a single weekend, and get to the Frozen Four?

And getting to the FF, 4 out of 6 seasons around the turn of the century ... will they win it this time?

This all used to be part of being a fan of UNH Hockey. It was great fun, at least while it lasted.

It began to slowly slip away, piece by piece ... first, the trips to the FF became elusive. OK, but we're close, it takes some luck to get there, just keep qualifying, right? Then, getting to the HE Finals became more and more elusive ... but hey, we still usually qualify for the big tourney, right? And then, trips to Boston became less regular ... and finally, trips to the big tourney got less and less regular, until there were no more trips. Not to Regionals, and nowadays, not even to Boston.

Hats off to Blue Skies + Infinity for the super fantastic "job" you've done in killing UNH's golden goose.

Can you at least have the dignity of retiring ASAP before you wreck the rest of UNH Athletics?

Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency???? ...
 
And then there was one.

One Hockey East team left against what will be three MN schools, after St.Cloud dispatched BC.

Over on the BC thread, some fans now want a new coaching regime. I don't know whether to say "LOL" or "Huh...." :-)
 
And then there was one.

One Hockey East team left against what will be three MN schools, after St.Cloud dispatched BC.

Over on the BC thread, some fans now want a new coaching regime. I don't know whether to say "LOL" or "Huh...." :-)

So you're saying Mike Ayers might be available in the near future ... ?!?!?!?
 
It's funny to see BU/BC fans wanting to fire their coaching staffs when they really just need to spend on a conversion to a proper ice rink - you know, the kind that attracts top talent and gets you deep into these tourneys...

I mean, four of the five teams remaining (that's 80% for those keeping score at home) play on larger than NHL sized surfaces. How do you blame Jerry York or Albie O'Connell when they're clearly hamstrung by their home arenas and recruiting from behind the eight-ball!

And what's the deal with accountability for coaches/leadership anyway - I mean, it hasn't been 24 hours, have they even tried at all to parce through EVERY other possible excuse?
 
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Been awhile...

The most interesting thing I heard watching hockey today was that the NCHC recruits older 4 year players... Novel concept...

The only missing comment was ... and play a style that fit those kinds of players. They are playing heavy hockey focused on effort, no excuses. Note those hockey teams also play on big sheets, so yeah you can play on the boards on a big sheet.

The excuses at UNH are exhausting... And make there best fans go away... It is truly sad how clueless they appear.
 
So there was one other that I thought was interesting... Mike Hastings said he watches the players play, no motivational speach needed on the bench... My first though was ugh... Until they said the next part... He can tell who is there to complete on any give night and adjusts the ice time as necessary...

The commentary said he got that from Herb Brooks...

As long as you are adjusting ice time it is interesting... From the UNH coaching perspective I have always thought they were just being spectators... Watching is great, doing something is being the coach.
 
So there was one other that I thought was interesting... Mike Hastings said he watches the players play, no motivational speach needed on the bench... My first though was ugh... Until they said the next part... He can tell who is there to complete on any give night and adjusts the ice time as necessary...

The commentary said he got that from Herb Brooks...

As long as you are adjusting ice time it is interesting... From the UNH coaching perspective I have always thought they were just being spectators... Watching is great, doing something is being the coach.

I would've thought "earning your ice time" was a pretty universal concept out there with coaches?

I'm not privy to TOI data over the years at UNH, be it during the MS7 or Umile era, but it might make for an interesting off-season "deep dive" to test your "coach vs. spectator" theory, JB?

The approach to ice time would also seemingly be different in regular season, tourney, and one-and-done settings? It sure would matter to me. Likely smaller time deltas for RS play, then gradually widening deltas in the bigger games, as you rely more on your most effective, reliable players, for what would seem to me to be pretty obvious reasons. Of course, you can't rely TOO heavily on your big guns in the big games, or else you might not optimize their performances? Raymond Bourque playing 30+ minutes in the B's post-season games for most of his career being the prime example, you can't wear your best "horses" down before you get to the Derby, right??

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Anyway, knowing there are certain B's fans and Flyers' (JvR) fans on this thread ... it's starting to look like there's only going to be one playoff slot for those two teams to fight over, unless the Rangers make it a three-way race for the 4th and final PO slot ... some of you dual-team fans are gonna have to choose. So ... who will it be, then - B's or Flyers?? Chime in here ...
 
Earning ice time I would agree seems a universal concept. My perception of UNH however is more of "loyalty" ice time. It seems hard to play yourself out of a role if an upper class men or into a role if you aren't. It also has seemed more a practice based decision instead of an in game adjustment.

Honestly I heard the comment and the first thought was about games I have watched where a top 6 F or 4 D was having a bad night and rolled constantly on their shift, playing themselves into a horrible outing.

It seemed a duh statement until reflection on memory of UNH games... So is it uncommon sense?

Loaf on a line change get less ice time... More timely consequence...
 
Earning ice time I would agree seems a universal concept. My perception of UNH however is more of "loyalty" ice time. It seems hard to play yourself out of a role if an upper class men or into a role if you aren't. It also has seemed more a practice based decision instead of an in game adjustment.

I'm pretty sure we'd all agree what you've outlined above was a characteristic of Umile-coached teams, the "loyalty to the juniors and seniors" piece of it anyway, which only seemed to get more pronounced in Umile's later seasons, sometimes leading to decisions that frankly hurt the program short AND long-term. After all, who can forget the infamous "senior first checking line" concept while Foegele became disenchanted, and other lesser examples. MS7 seems to have distanced himself from overplaying mediocre older kids, and embraced giving younger deserving kids with potential more ice time. Unfortunately, the younger kids he's recruiting, there's not the same depth OR talent as the guys who played for Umile.

But I think your post here really hit paydirt in raising the whole "in game adjustments" angle, which was hung around Umile's neck for almost as long as I can remember, even back to his early days at Snively. How often in a big game, when something might not be working, or something that had been working was neutralized by the opposing coach's own adjustment(s), and you just looked at the UNH bench to see some signs that critical thinking was taking place. Umile was regularly criticized for not using his timeouts more strategically, if ever. And that's not a huge in-game adjustment in and of itself. Maybe stuff was discussed at practices, maybe in between periods, but in game stuff you could see guys like Parker, Walshy and York doing, just never seemed to be happening along the UNH bench during live game action.

As noted above, I think we can see MS7 has done some things differently than his own former coach, but it's hard to see the fruit of his in-game decisions panning out when he's starting from a position of weakness in the overall talent department.

There's a saying I encountered over a decade ago in soccer coaching, which goes "you can't have tactics without technique" which of course is another oversimplification IMO, but the point is, a player's technique (talent) must be optimized if you're going to hope to get maximum effect from your tactics. D'oh, right? But what I've always taken out of that is, you can only go so far with tactics and strategy if you don't have the talented players to implement it to max effectiveness. What you can do is, you can start "coaching up" a fairly average talent pool, get them playing over their heads, maybe get your program a notch or two above where the talent dictates it should otherwise be ... then flip that into a slightly better foundation for your next recruiting class, coach them up another level, lather, rinse, repeat a few seasons, and over time your program builds momentum, you develop a reputation as a teacher and developer, which leads better recruits to your doorstep, and you go from where UNH is now, to where UNH used to be. Gradually but in a positive direction. We should be seeing that by now.

But we haven't, now, have we? So we are stuck where we are, and the reality is, unless MS7 and his staff start to excel in at least one area (and probably multiple areas), it's not likely to change. Can they recruit quality talent in depth? Can they instruct and develop that talent for the next stages of their hockey careers? Can they make effective in-game adjustments that could make the difference in turning 2-3 losses into wins over the course of a season? After 3 full seasons as HC, and 6 seasons of being actively involved in recruiting, here are my grades:

Recruiting Talent in Depth? For 3 years, I'd give MS7 a C- but for his full 6 years, I'd give him a D
Instruct & Develop Talent? For 3 years, MS7 gets an Incomplete, but for 6 years, I'd give him a D+
In-Game Adjustments? For 3 years, I'd give MS7 a C, for the other 3 years, he wasn't in charge

If MS7 can find a way to step up his recruiting game, it makes everything else easier. Gildon could be in the NHL within the next year or two, and we'll see if Crookshank gets to Ottawa or not. Those developments could mean more to MS7's rep as a developer of talent, than whatever Umile and/or Borek got for having JvR and TvR land in their laps (in fairness, someone should get some credit for TvR, he was far from the finished product at UNH, and ditto Brett Pesce). And as UNH plays more important games against better programs, we'll finally get a sense of how MS7 stacks up on in-game adjustments.
 
I thought USCHO was going to bring back some of the lost features when they fixed the place? ;)

Guess not ...

:rolleyes:
 
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