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(un-) Official Minnesota Vikings 2009-2010 season thread

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You dont pull your starters before the 4th quarter...TJack and the backupps having being seeing plenty of time and Favre is usually only playing 3/4 of a game, that is better than most teams have it right now. (IMO they should have pulled Favre the series before they did against the Bears but I think they wanted him to break his best career passing day number)

I am surprised by the lack of Play Action, but in reality they dont need it. The line gives Favre enough time and one of our receivers always ends up finding the opening. It has been like a clinic.

As for the injuries...why would the Vikes underplay and injury that they had to report on the injury report? Better yet, will the hits he took why wasn't he limping around or wincing or showing any signs of being in pain? I think he has an injury but it isnt that big of a deal if it was they would sit him. I mean they havent played Winfield and he would solve the defensive issues they tend to have so it isnt like they regularly play guys who they shouldnt. He isnt playing up to his caliber, it happens. As long as he doesnt pout and whine I dont care.
 
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I just read that the Bears had 2 yards of offense in the second half. Then I thought to myself: 'are we really complaining about this team' :p
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I just read that the Bears had 2 yards of offense in the second half. Then I thought to myself: 'are we really complaining about this team' :p
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yes, people are going to complain about the Vikings. Me, I'm not. This is the most exciting team I have seen in many years and am very excited about the future. :)
 
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Handy,

I’ve heard plenty of TV and Radio guys, and read plenty of writers write this year, not to mention Favre said it yesterday, that opposing defenses continue to key on Peterson. You need only look at the difference in the defensive lineup (as in actually pay attention to what's happening) when he’s on the field versus Chester and for once lay off the Common Man pills. ;)
 
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Slap Shot said:
Handy,

I’ve heard plenty of TV and Radio guys, and read plenty of writers write this year, not to mention Favre said it yesterday, that opposing defenses continue to key on Peterson. You need only look at the difference in the defensive lineup (as in actually pay attention to what's happening) when he’s on the field versus Chester and for once lay off the Common Man pills. ;)
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I didnt say they didn't key on Peterson, I said they changed their scheme for him. (especially on cutbacks) They play almost a prevent on him, let him hit the line and get 2 yards but we wont let him break one big on us, we will just stay back and wait. I also said I dont buy the "9 guys in the box" excuse for his drop in production because defenses have always done that and he had no issues before with less of an offense around him. I should have been more clear on that.

If they were just lining up 9 guys to try and stop AP they would have no one in coverage beyond 2 DBs. Now I may not be as smart as Joe Buck and Paul Allen but I am pretty sure even Adam Weber could be successful against that defense. The argument is a fallacy, just like when people tried to make Chris Hovan sound like an elite defensive linemen because he was double teamed all game. AP is just not running well right now and hasn't adjusted, it happens no need to make up excuses for it all RBs have bad stretches. (bad being a relative term here) Hopefully he and the coaches will figure out an adjustment but if not I just hope he quits fumbling that is most important. If he only averages 4 yards per carry I think the team will survive ;)

But please, oh great sage of football explain to me why all of a sudden AP can't run against the supposed same defenses he could previously despite having a better offensive line, better QB and better WRs around him. ;) :p (this is where the radio and TV guys will talk about his patience...of course some say he is too patient and others say he isnt patient enough but it sure is a nice catch-all) :D ;) :p

The fact that this is all we really have to complain about though makes me smile. The team is a machine right now and I will take "arguments" like this any day of the week as opposed to what we saw the last couple years. (it isnt an argument so much as we all look at the same issue a different way) I mean AP fumbles early and so the offense adjusts and throws more and doesn't miss a beat. The defense locks up and instead of giving Cutler open options on blitzes just rushes 4 (maybe 5 if EJ's number is called) and Cutler has nowhere to go and ends up getting sacked and hit more often. It is too much fun to watch :)
 
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No one is making an excuse Common Man ;) (his fumbles are a problem, his running I'm not convinced), I just don't think AP suddenly forgot how to run. Rather I think the run blocking for AP hasn't been as strong this year when up against a defense that keys on the run. For reasons, again I ask you to compare the defensive schemes when he is in the backfield vs. Chester and you'll notice a distinct difference, and also the Vikings haven't been great running the ball on 3rd and 4th and short this year. Either way to say defenses don't crowd the box when he's in the backfield goes against every commentary I've read/heard reference it this season. However, something tells me we will have to agree to disagree or something. :p
 
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First of all stop calling me that.

Second I think you would do well to read what I actually wrote before you respond to what I said. You will notice I said a lot of the stuff you did. I even acknowledged that defenses key to AP I just dont buy that is why his numbers are down. Why would his numbers go down this year as opposed to last year when teams "keyed" to him? Because it isnt the guys in the box that are the problem, it is how they play him and his lack of adjusting. He is always looking for the homerun, they aren't going to allow that. They will give him a few yards if it means they won't give up 40. That is very different than how it used to be. That was my point. You can continue to ignore it though if it makes you feel smarter Reusse. ;)

I also said that it (his "drop" in production) wasnt a problem, once again it is right there for you to read. If AP only averages 4 yards per rush the Vikes will be successful all game long and that is AOK by me :)

The Chester vs. AP thing is a difficult conversation to have because they don't play in the same situations. How often does Chester start a drive, run on consecutive plays, carry the ball more than 4 times in a series? They also have different styles of running and play in different packages...all of that shapes the argument. I mean a defense is going to look different on 1st and 10 as opposed to 3rd and 8 ya know? Plus I also think that the fact that Chester used to be in on pass plays (due to his better blocking than AP) plays into it as well. Whatever the case Chester is running better than AP right now for whatever reason.

We can agree to disagree though if you like, all I care about is the W nitpicking the "deficiencies" just helps pass the time during the week :D
 
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I wasn't nitpicking the deficiencies because I don't see any major ones per se - Nathan said AP was overrated, I said he wasn't and explained why I thought criticisms of him this year (except for the fumbling which is indefensible) are off base.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I wasn't nitpicking the deficiencies because I don't see any major ones per se - Nathan said AP was overrated, I said he wasn't and explained why I thought criticisms of him this year (except for the fumbling which is indefensible) are off base.
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I know, I was doing the same thing ;) The only thing worth criticizing is the fumbles which are inexcusable.

If AP averages 85 yards per game the rest of the way he will be right around 1500 yards for the season...if that is overrated then I will take it :p
 
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There it is...ineffective running game is blamed on Childress on the Whine Line...:p
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
There it is...ineffective running game is blamed on Childress on the Whine Line...:p
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How about the wild-arse throws that OldBrettFavre threw tonight? I've seen most of the Vikes games this season (well, actually, all of them, but only paid attention to most) and he was very un-poised most of the game, something I hadn't seen (even in the PIT loss) this year.
 
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Brenthoven said:
How about the wild-arse throws that OldBrettFavre threw tonight? I've seen most of the Vikes games this season (well, actually, all of them, but only paid attention to most) and he was very un-poised most of the game, something I hadn't seen (even in the PIT loss) this year.
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He didn't look good at all. Neither did Adrian. Or the offensive line. Or the defense. Or special teams.

Only Cheech, Pat Williams, and Kluwe I thought had decent games...
 
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He didn't look good at all. Neither did Adrian. Or the offensive line. Or the defense. Or special teams.

Only Cheech, Pat Williams, and Kluwe I thought had decent games...
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Cheech is gonna be great(er). I'm totally impressed and blown away by his performance this year. Time will tell if it is Favre making him look good, but his YAC is a nice clue to how good he is. That little *er is tough.

And I love Fat Pat. Always have, always will. So glad he's doing well after Buffalo thought he was washed up.
 
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It was a nice run...I wish the season didnt end so abruptly ;)
 
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