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Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Priceless said:
Looks like Mankato will win...5-1 midway through the 3rd.
Code: 
1	Yale (EC)	        29	0.5811
2	Boston Coll (HE)	28	0.5821
3	North Dakota (WC)	26	0.5778
4	Denver U (WC)	        25	0.5749
5	Minn-Duluth (WC)	25	0.5692
6	Merrimack (HE)	        24	0.5554
7	Union (EC)	        22	0.5594
8	New Hampshire (HE)	22	0.5575
9	RPI (EC)	        22	0.5469
10	Notre Dame (CC)	        19	0.5496
11	Wisconsin (WC)	        19	0.5473
12	NE-Omaha (WC) 	        18	0.5414
13	Michigan (CC)	        18	0.5469
14	Dartmouth (EC)	        15	0.5433
15	Miami (CC)	        15	0.5415
16	Western Mich (CC)	15	0.5401
17	Boston Univ (HE)	14	0.5402
18	CO College (WC)	        11	0.5266
19	Princeton (EC)	        11	0.5223
20	Ferris State (CC)	10	0.5150
21	MSU-Mankato (WC)	 9	0.5162
22	Maine (HE)	         8	0.5182
23	AK-Fairbanks (CC)	 8	0.5149
24	Minnesota (WC)	         6	0.5138
25	St Cloud (WC)	         5	0.5051
26	AK-Anchorage  (WC)	 4	0.5064
27	Ohio State (CC)	         3	0.5030
28	RIT (AH)	         2	0.5027
29	Robert Morris (AH)       2	0.5043
30	Cornell (EC)	         0	0.5013

Natural brackets:

Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Denver
UNH		Union		Merrimack	UMD
RPI 	        Notre Dame	Wisconsin	UNO
AHA Champ	Miami		Dartmouth	Michigan

Accounting for hosts, intra-conference games and attendance

Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Denver
Union		UNH		UMD		Merrimack
UNO		RPI		Notre Dame	Wisconsin
AHA Champ	Miami		Dartmouth	Michigan

Dartmouth can be swapped with Miami or Michigan to reduce flights/improve attendance (allegedly) in St. Louis.
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Wow, BC topped Yale in the RPI rankings. Nice.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

redwings8831 said:
1. Yale (EC) - 29
2. Boston College (HE) - 28
3. North Dakota (WC) - 26
4. Denver (WC) - 25
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC) - 25
6. Merrimack (HE) - 24
7. Union (EC) - 22
8. New Hampshire (HE) - 22
9. Rensselaer (EC) - 22
10. Notre Dame (CC) - 19
11. Wisconsin (WC) - 19
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC) - 18
13. Michigan (CC) - 18
14. Dartmouth (EC) - 15
15. Miami (CC) - 15
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

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Bridgeport:
1. Yale (EC)
7. Union (EC)
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC)
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

Manchester:
2. Boston College (HE)
8. New Hampshire (HE)
9. Rensselaer (EC)
14. Dartmouth (EC)

St. Louis:
3. North Dakota (WC)
6. Merrimack (HE)
11. Wisconsin (WC)
15. Miami (CC)

Green Bay:
4. Denver (WC)
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC)
10. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Michigan (CC)
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I am really sure BC would be very happy with that region. :D
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

An RPI win tonight will remove Cornell from TUC and might knock Yale out of the top spot (at least temporarily). The Bulldogs will drop to 9 games vs TUC and without that criteria they start losing comparisons. With a loss they can fall as far as 4th.

However, depending on the outcome of other games, Yale could lose tonight and still remain #1 as Clarkson moves up to ~.5003 and becomes a TUC with a win. That would give Yale 10 games vs TUC and flip all those comparisons back.

Simple math, indeed. ;)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

If St. Cloud beats Duluth (they are winning 3-2) then Merrimack is a 1 seed.

The Apocalypse is upon us.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

The end is nigh!
Code: 
1	Yale (EC)
2	Boston Coll (HE)
3	North Dakota (WC)
4	Merrimack (HE)
5	Denver U (WC)
6	Minn-Duluth (WC)
7	Union (EC)
8	NE-Omaha (WC)
9	New Hampshire (HE)
10	Michigan (CC)
11	Miami (CC)
12	Notre Dame (CC)
13	Dartmouth (EC)
14	RPI (EC)
15	Wisconsin (WC)
16	Western Mich (CC)
17	Boston Univ (HE)
18	CO College (WC)
19	Maine (HE)
20	Minnesota (WC)
21	Ferris State (CC)
22	Princeton (EC)
23	MSU-Mankato (WC)
24	AK-Fairbanks (CC)
25	St Cloud (WC)
26	Cornell (EC)
27	RIT (AH)
28	Robert Morris (AH)
29	AK-Anchorage  (WC)

Brackets:
Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Merrimack
Union		UNO		UMD		Denver
Miami		UNH		Michigan	Notre Dame
AHA Champ	RPI		Dartmouth	Wisconsin

SiouxSports will be different because they break head to head ties by RPI, TBRW breaks them by comparison. Therefore, they will have Denver #4 and Merrimack #5. The NCAA has never made it clear how they break ties between two teams when the RPI and comparisons conflict (and it's never happened before).

Dartmouth and RPI are interchangeable in this bracket.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

1. Yale (EC) - 29
2. Boston College (HE) - 27
3. North Dakota (WC) - 25
4. Denver (WC) - 24
5. Merrimack (HE) - 24
6. Minnesota-Duluth (WC) - 22
7. Union (EC) - 20
8. Nebraska-Omaha (WC) - 20
9. New Hampshire (HE) - 29
10. Michigan (CC) - 19
11. Miami (CC) - 19
12. Notre Dame (CC) - 18
13. Dartmouth (EC) - 18
14. Rensselaer (EC) - 17
15. Wisconsin (WC) - 15
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

----------------------------

Bridgeport:
1. Yale (EC)
5. Merrimack (HE)
10. Michigan (CC)
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

Manchester:
2. Boston College (HE)
7. Union (EC)
9. New Hampshire (HE)
15. Wisconsin (WC)

St. Louis:
3. North Dakota (WC)
8. Nebraska-Omaha (WC)
11. Miami (CC)
14. Rensselaer (EC)

Green Bay:
4. Denver (WC)
6. Minnesota-Duluth (WC)
12. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Dartmouth (EC)

Ties broken by RPI. Not ideal with Wisconsin going east, but with North Dakota and Denver occupying #1's out west, nothing you could really do. If AHA champ is Air Force, send them to St. Louis, Wisconsin to Bridgeport, and Rensselaer to Manchester.
 
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

redwings8831 said:
Ties broken by RPI. Not ideal with Wisconsin going east, but with North Dakota and Denver occupying #1's out west, nothing you could really do.
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Technically, since the WCHA would get 5 teams in, the committee could keep Wisconsin west for an intra-conference game. That would be a blatant money grab.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Priceless said:
Technically, since the WCHA would get 5 teams in, the committee could keep Wisconsin west for an intra-conference game. That would be a blatant money grab.
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For some reason, I thought it was one conference getting 6 teams in before that could occur (or if there was no way to prevent it from happening).
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

redwings8831 said:
For some reason, I thought it was one conference getting 6 teams in before that could occur (or if there was no way to prevent it from happening).
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The precedent is to make the switch to avoid such a game even with five teams (2003) but the rule says they can do it.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I still dont see how Wisconsin doesn't end up in Green Bay for attendance purposes, but if they end up a 4, I guess the NCAA would have no choice to send them east if DU and UND hold the 1s.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

The TUC line

Code: 
St Cloud		0.5081	
Cornell		        0.5081	
RIT		        0.5071	
Robert Morris		0.5041	
AK-Anchorage 		0.5032	
---
Bemidji State		0.4999	
Northern Mich		0.4998	
Ohio State		0.4992	
Quinnipiac		0.4985	
Lake Superior		0.4979	
Brown		        0.4936	
Mich State		0.4930	
Niagara		        0.4917	
Clarkson		0.4915

4 teams from the CCHA and 3 from the ECAC are within shouting distance of becoming TUC. Hockey East doesn't have a single team on either side of the line. Northeastern is almost .015 points away.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Onion Man said:
I still dont see how Wisconsin doesn't end up in Green Bay for attendance purposes, but if they end up a 4, I guess the NCAA would have no choice to send them east if DU and UND hold the 1s.
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Given that I still haven't seen a definitive word on what actually breaks a tie between two teams, for the sake of this argument, I gave Merrimack the #1 seed over Denver and came up with endless possibilities. Focusing strictly on maximizing attendance and of course avoiding intra-conference matchups in the first round, I was able to come up with:

East:

1. Yale (1)
2. Union (7)
3. Notre Dame (12)
4. RIT (16)

Northeast:

1. Boston College (2)
2. Denver (5)
3. New Hampshire (9)
4. Dartmouth (13)

Midwest:

1. Merrimack (4)
2. Minnesota-Duluth (6)
3. Michigan (10)
4. Wisconsin (15)

West:

1. North Dakota (3)
2. Nebraska-Omaha (8)
3. Miami (11)
4. RPI (14)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

MinnesotaNorthStar said:
They'd send Denver out East...
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That would mean making BC get on a plane even though they're the #2 overall seed. Not to mention the cost of an extra flight. How much does it cost now for the NCAA for the plane?
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

J.D. said:
Given that I still haven't seen a definitive word on what actually breaks a tie between two teams, for the sake of this argument, I gave Merrimack the #1 seed over Denver and came up with endless possibilities. Focusing strictly on maximizing attendance and of course avoiding intra-conference matchups in the first round, I was able to come up with:

East:

1. Yale (1)
2. Union (7)
3. Notre Dame (12)
4. RIT (16)

Northeast:

1. Boston College (2)
2. Denver (5)
3. New Hampshire (9)
4. Dartmouth (13)

Midwest:

1. Merrimack (4)
2. Minnesota-Duluth (6)
3. Michigan (10)
4. Wisconsin (15)

West:

1. North Dakota (3)
2. Nebraska-Omaha (8)
3. Miami (11)
4. RPI (14)
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Switch Michigan and Notre Dame and I agree. ND can bus to Green Bay.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I have asked the NCAA to clarify the tie-breaking procedures in the event the overall comparison and the RPI don't agree (as with Merrimack and Denver). I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

That sound you heard was the NCAA thanking Harvard for keeping Wi$conSin in the tournament.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

If BC wins, the Pairwise remains unchanged. If Northeastern wins, NoDak and BC flip flop. If that happens, the NCAA might swap UMD and UNO in my brackets, but no other changes.

Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Merrimack
Union		UMD		UNO		Denver
Miami		UNH		Michigan	Notre Dame
AHA Champ	RPI		Dartmouth	Wisconsin
 
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