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Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Nick Papagiorgio said:
Oh I'm sure you expected BC to beat Miami and Wisconsin in 2010 and thought they were unbeateable.
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I probably should have said "I thought they would win the tournament" rather than saying "I thought they were unbeatable". I agree that unbeatable is too strong of a term.
 
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jmhusker said:
I thought BC was unbeatable in 2010. Not this year though.
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jmhusker said:
This year's team has more talent
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You're making a ton of sense right now!! :rolleyes:

Next you'll tell me that the team had better leadership last year. Sure!

More talent + same coaching staff = not unbeatable like last year. OK.

FWIW, this team has more experience, too. And while you think it remains to be seen what team is better based on what they do in the posteason, I really don't think it does. In a one and done format anything can happen and the best teams usually don't win it all. You're going to fit your argument around the holes everyone is shooting into it so I think you should just let this thread get back to normal and stop being a dopey fanboy.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Nick Papagiorgio said:
I think you should just let this thread get back to normal and stop being a dopey fanboy.
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I'm going to do just that because there's no point in these "Black Knight" types of arguments. And if I were a fanboy, other than when they were playing RPI, I probably would have seen at least one BU home game in the 20 years I've lived in the Boston area - including 5 years that I actually attended part time. Hard to stop what was never started.
 
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jmhusker said:
Those were nice wins at DU - I agree. I think the Dems were in control of congress back then though. Wins against BU and Maine are fine but those two teams are clearly not that good this year and I don't expect them to be in the tournament. UNH and Merrimack probably will be - that's why they matter.
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You are all over the map here. You're discounting two early wins at Denver, yet you want to use three losses against UNH/Merrimack that happened before December. Let's try being consistent at least. It doesn't mean anything right now, but this BC team has a better record than they did at this time last year. Hockey East is in position to get three teams in the tourney right now--that would be the same as last year as well.

jmhusker said:
I thought BC was unbeatable in 2010. Not this year though.
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You won't find one BC fan who thinks this team is "unbeatable"--which has been my whole point all along. (OK maybe Kenny thinks they are)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

jmhusker said:
Wins against BU and Maine are fine but those two teams are clearly not that good this year and I don't expect them to be in the tournament.
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just say what you want to say: BC's schedule isnt impressive because they dont get to play BC. I agree with you.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Just my 0.02 about the stats folks on here

I am amazed and humbled by some of the stat work that takes place by our USCHO participants. It is a credit to your love of the game and your knowledge as well, I just thought as a rookie member of the herd here, that I would let you know that I appreciate and acknowledge all of the thought and hard work that the "stats" guys really contribute to this site. Please continue to show the members of this site how the numbers add up and never think that it is not appreciated. :)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.
 
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Priceless said:
The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.
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Come onnnnnnn favorable results. I like seeing Miami finally back in again, even if its only at 15.
 
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mcfarljd said:
Come onnnnnnn favorable results. I like seeing Miami finally back in again, even if its only at 15.
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Good news. Miami finishes #15 no matter the outcome :p
#14 can either be Western Michigan or Dartmouth.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Priceless said:
The Mankato-CC game will have an impact on the PWR (including which teams are in the field). Mankato leads 2-1 in the 3rd.
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I assume Air Force/Niagara will not effect the PWR tonight.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Priceless said:
Good news. Miami finishes #15 no matter the outcome :p
#14 can either be Western Michigan or Dartmouth.
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I like the scenario that winds up with Western there then. If not for another lazy last 10 minutes of the game that was a W instead of a tie tonight, so we can at least control that tomorrow to take another spot.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Looks like Mankato will win...5-1 midway through the 3rd.
Code: 
1	Yale (EC)	        29	0.5811
2	Boston Coll (HE)	28	0.5821
3	North Dakota (WC)	26	0.5778
4	Denver U (WC)	        25	0.5749
5	Minn-Duluth (WC)	25	0.5692
6	Merrimack (HE)	        24	0.5554
7	Union (EC)	        22	0.5594
8	New Hampshire (HE)	22	0.5575
9	RPI (EC)	        22	0.5469
10	Notre Dame (CC)	        19	0.5496
11	Wisconsin (WC)	        19	0.5473
12	NE-Omaha (WC) 	        18	0.5414
13	Michigan (CC)	        18	0.5469
14	Dartmouth (EC)	        15	0.5433
15	Miami (CC)	        15	0.5415
16	Western Mich (CC)	15	0.5401
17	Boston Univ (HE)	14	0.5402
18	CO College (WC)	        11	0.5266
19	Princeton (EC)	        11	0.5223
20	Ferris State (CC)	10	0.5150
21	MSU-Mankato (WC)	 9	0.5162
22	Maine (HE)	         8	0.5182
23	AK-Fairbanks (CC)	 8	0.5149
24	Minnesota (WC)	         6	0.5138
25	St Cloud (WC)	         5	0.5051
26	AK-Anchorage  (WC)	 4	0.5064
27	Ohio State (CC)	         3	0.5030
28	RIT (AH)	         2	0.5027
29	Robert Morris (AH)       2	0.5043
30	Cornell (EC)	         0	0.5013

Natural brackets:

Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Denver
UNH		Union		Merrimack	UMD
RPI 	        Notre Dame	Wisconsin	UNO
AHA Champ	Miami		Dartmouth	Michigan

Accounting for hosts, intra-conference games and attendance

Code: 
[B]Bridgeport	Manchester	St Louis	Green Bay[/B]
Yale		BC		North Dakota	Denver
Union		UNH		UMD		Merrimack
UNO		RPI		Notre Dame	Wisconsin
AHA Champ	Miami		Dartmouth	Michigan

Dartmouth can be swapped with Miami or Michigan to reduce flights/improve attendance (allegedly) in St. Louis.
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

1. Yale (EC) - 29
2. Boston College (HE) - 28
3. North Dakota (WC) - 26
4. Denver (WC) - 25
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC) - 25
6. Merrimack (HE) - 24
7. Union (EC) - 22
8. New Hampshire (HE) - 22
9. Rensselaer (EC) - 22
10. Notre Dame (CC) - 19
11. Wisconsin (WC) - 19
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC) - 18
13. Michigan (CC) - 18
14. Dartmouth (EC) - 15
15. Miami (CC) - 15
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

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Bridgeport:
1. Yale (EC)
7. Union (EC)
12. Nebraska-Omaha (WC)
16. Atlantic Hockey Champ (AH)

Manchester:
2. Boston College (HE)
8. New Hampshire (HE)
9. Rensselaer (EC)
14. Dartmouth (EC)

St. Louis:
3. North Dakota (WC)
6. Merrimack (HE)
11. Wisconsin (WC)
15. Miami (CC)

Green Bay:
4. Denver (WC)
5. Minnesota-Duluth (WC)
10. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Michigan (CC)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

du78 said:
That would give a WCHA first round match-up right now with UMD.
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Nope, just move the Merrimack/Wisconsin matchup to Green Bay, and the Minnesota-Duluth/Notre Dame matchup to St. Louis. I didn't do this in my projection because UMD and Notre Dame are both within busing to Green Bay, while only Notre Dame is busing to St. Louis.

Option 1:
St. Louis:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

Green Bay:
#5 UMD (bus)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

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Option 2:
Green Bay:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

St. Louis:
#5 UMD (fly)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)
 
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

redwings8831 said:
Nope, just move the Merrimack/Wisconsin matchup to Green Bay, and the Minnesota-Duluth/Notre Dame matchup to St. Louis. I didn't do this in my projection because UMD and Notre Dame are both within busing to Green Bay, while only Notre Dame is busing to St. Louis.

Option 1:
St. Louis:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

Green Bay:
#5 UMD (bus)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)

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Option 2:
Green Bay:
#6 Merrimack (fly)
#11 Wisconsin (bus)

St. Louis:
#5 UMD (fly)
#10 Notre Dame (bus)
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How the NCAA will look at it:

Option 1: Empty arenas in St Louis and Green Bay.
Option 2: Empty arena in St Louis.

Edit: You could take the whole St Louis bracket and switch it with Green Bay. Notre Dame and UMD can both bus there and NoDak will bring a good supply of fans; two of the biggest fan bases (Michigan, Wisconsin) are seeded in St Louis. But that's a big financial risk for the NCAA to take.
 
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

The TUC line:
Code: 
26	RIT	        0.5062	
27	St Cloud	0.5052	
28	Robert Morris	0.5044	
29	Ohio State	0.5030	
30	Cornell	        0.5015	
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31	Mich State	0.4979	
32	Quinnipiac	0.4978	
33	Northern Mich	0.4969	
34	Bemidji State	0.4966	
35	Clarkson	0.4936
 
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