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The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

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It’s almost like someone – I don’t know, maybe the rich – created a system whose sole intent was to disenfranchise poor and minorities. Just spitballing here.

;)

Had to own land, no?
People invested in the country. Chit in the pot. ;)
 
You are correct unless the "but for" is "but for the people who are locked up". They are being separated from the population their rights are limited.

But for people who are locked up for felonies.

Plenty of people are locked up for misdemeanors, and they are eligible to vote.
 
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But for people who are locked up for felonies.

Plenty of people are locked up for misdemeanors, and they are eligible to vote.

That is true. Good point. (I know this firsthand from relatives) I revise and say it should be felonies.

And trust me I get that there are people that are convicted that shouldn't be, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE that is locked up needs to be treated like they are innocent. We limit plenty of rights for criminals I dont see a reason this shouldnt be one of them. I hold the right to vote very very high but if you are in prison you have forfeited that right. That is part of the debt you pay.
 
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Felons should not be voting while in prison, sorry. If ensuring that Bernie Madoff, Ted Kaczynski, etc. never vote again means that all the other felons in prison can't vote either, than so be it.

Once they are out on probation, it's up for discussion.
 
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Felons should not be voting while in prison, sorry. If ensuring that Bernie Madoff, Ted Kaczynski, etc. never vote again means that all the other felons in prison can't vote either, than so be it.

Oh boy is that not how law works.
 
I think there's something odd about saying that incarcerated felons shouldn't be allowed to vote, but should have their voting rights restored the day they get out of jail. I don't have data at hand to back up my thoughts here, but isn't a poor person quite a bit more likely to be charged with a crime than a wealthy person? And isn't that poor person less likely to be able to procure a good enough attorney to have a realistic chance of fighting the charges? And I don't know whether there even is data, but I've got a funny hunch that a poor person is less likely to get a suspended sentence than a wealthy person, as well as quite possibly less likely to be granted parole at a parole hearing. And really, if even one of those things is true, then stripping incarcerated prisoners of suffrage and restoring them the day they get out of prison seems like an unfairly greater burden on the poor.

Honestly, I'm not sure I have an opinion. I don't think I have a particular issue with stripping suffrage from prisoners, but I also think that if you do that, in order to be fair, it needs to apply to convicted felons serving parole and suspended sentences and similar as well.

And frankly, I'm not sure that I understand why allowing prisoners to vote is so crazy.

As for fines, taking away someone's suffrage because they can't pay a fine is some serious bs.
Well said, someone who gets caught with a dimebag (in some states you can go to jail for this) probably shouldn’t have their voting rights stripped.
 
Well said, someone who gets caught with a dimebag (in some states you can go to jail for this) probably shouldn’t have their voting rights stripped.

Then change the sentencing laws. And yes, I know that's not going to happen in red states. So get off your arse and start the federal campaign. :p
 
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Obviously that needs to happen too. But every universal program or right (universal healthcare for instance) is going to be given to some terrible people.

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And if they voted Righty you wouldnt care. Bite yourself.

Rural whites are catching up in the prison population, particularly in bogus stuff like non-violent drug offenses, so bite Dump.
 
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I did not live all that far from these fine people, and I have a coworker from the same town they inhabit. According to him they were way worse than the doc showed.

I do not doubt it one bit.
 
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I do not doubt it one bit.

I thought they might have taken stuff out of context or exaggerated. Paul (my coworker) was the son of a mayor/police chief in one of the Boone County towns and according to him they could have been portrayed in a far worse light. They seemed to be a sort of doomed, ignorant clan in the doc, but they're really kinda like Westboro Baptist -- they're a crime family and they've been involved in a lot of very unfunny violence (rape, assault, etc).
 
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