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The PPACA Implementation Phase II - Love it or Lose it!

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Kepler said:
Fairly argued and well demonstrated. I amend the sentiment to "Republican small town mayor wearing American flag shaped like cross wife beater, full of shit just like you'd expect."
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Nah, just a small town mayor who is saying/doing whatever he can to save his hospital and getting airtime only because he's a Republican. Too bad he's just being used for propaganda. Nobody seems to notice that the ACA helps to fund Medicaid by decreasing payments to hospitals or that Obama's budget cut reimbursement to Critical Access hospitals. It doesn't fit into a soundbite or the ideology of the storytellers. Hell, MSNBC went so far as to infer that a lady died from her heart attack because the hospital closed because the Gov. of NC refused to expand Meicaid. Therefore, I would re-amend the sentiment to "Small town, Fashion-challenged Mayor trying anything he can to save his town being used as pawn by the usual suspects who are full of shit just like you'd expect."
 
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I know there are some Docs on here, whats the medical reason for bringing Ebola patients back to the US from Liberia? Is there any medical treatment that can be done here that can't be done there? My understanding is the only thing that can be done is keep the patient hydrated??
 
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walrus said:
I know there are some Docs on here, whats the medical reason for bringing Ebola patients back to the US from Liberia? Is there any medical treatment that can be done here that can't be done there? My understanding is the only thing that can be done is keep the patient hydrated??
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I'm not a doctor, but I have a theory on this.

I believe the CDC in Atlanta expects at some point in time we're going to have an unexpected ebola patient in this country. I think they want to "experiment", so to speak with how a hospital will handle and treat such a patient. Having had some time to prep for these patients will make it easier. They also know they aren't operating under the stress of a possible outbreak in this country. These two are U.S. citizens, so that gives them an "excuse" rather than just ship in some random Liberian.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'm not a doctor, but I have a theory on this.

I believe the CDC in Atlanta expects at some point in time we're going to have an unexpected ebola patient in this country. I think they want to "experiment", so to speak with how a hospital will handle and treat such a patient. Having had some time to prep for these patients will make it easier. They also know they aren't operating under the stress of a possible outbreak in this country. These two are U.S. citizens, so that gives them an "excuse" rather than just ship in some random Liberian.
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Good post. I agree and it's an excellent idea and I'm glad they're doing it.
 
SJHovey said:
I'm not a doctor, but I have a theory on this.

I believe the CDC in Atlanta expects at some point in time we're going to have an unexpected ebola patient in this country. I think they want to "experiment", so to speak with how a hospital will handle and treat such a patient. Having had some time to prep for these patients will make it easier. They also know they aren't operating under the stress of a possible outbreak in this country. These two are U.S. citizens, so that gives them an "excuse" rather than just ship in some random Liberian.
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The plane landed 25 miles from me to refuel, they cleared customs. You suppose customs officers wanted to get on that plane. You may have hit the nail on the head though. Ebola will be here sooner or later
 
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I was wondering where everyone was panicking about Ebola.
 
Every news agency in known free world at Bangor International Airport hoping to get a glimpse of plane coming from Liberia.
 
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Priceless said:
Should you be worried about Ebola?
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Perfect.

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dryfly said:
Bertogliat said:
I am not usually a conspiracy theory type of guy but consider they are down playing Ebola's spread yet we continue to hear only 4 hospitals in the country are equipped to handle Ebola patients. If it wasn't a big deal then why can't most hospitals handle it?

I can't seem to find if Ebola can be contracted after touching a door knob or other surface that has been used by someone with the disease. I know it doesn't spread as easily as the flu but it's significantly more deadly and still quite easy to catch.
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Only if they bleed all over the door knob and you touch it... then somehow touch one of your own wet orifices. You could get it that way. Maybe.

The real fear for transmission to 'the developed world' would be on an airplane... Like most viruses there is a latency between exposure and symptoms... Somewhere in there it becomes contagious. So imagine a person gets exposed... A few days later the person gets on a plane... Becomes contagious / symptomatic [hemorrhagic] in flight... With all those folks in close contact. That would be bad.

In general though - not a huge fear for the public in general.
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This

dryfly said:
dxmnkd316 said:
Bertogliat said:
Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City Isolates Patient with Possible Ebola Symptoms...........

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mount-s...solates-patient-with-possible-ebola-symptoms/
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Most news outlets are now reporting that it's highly unlikely to Ebola.

Even it it was, this country would not be at great risk. It's not like the common cold where you can spread it through the air. Its spread in Africa is so wide because many of these countries don't follow basic hygiene procedures. You almost certainly have to come into contact with bodily fluids of an infected person to even have a chance of contracting it.
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I read somewhere that a big part of the transmission mechanism in Africa is due to family members providing care for their own under pretty primitive and unsanitary conditions. Because it is hemorrhagic there is a lot of opportunities for the care givers to come in contact with contaminated bodily fluids. This even extends to the funeral where it is very hands on with extended family burying their own. No surprise it's so contagious there.

Here about the only risk would be to primary care givers who might come in contact with victims prior to diagnosis. Once diagnosed they will be in isolation wards stat where caregivers will be protected.

So - ya - not a ton to worry about here.
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And this.

Bertogliat said:
I am not usually a conspiracy theory type of guy but consider they are down playing Ebola's spread yet we continue to hear only 4 hospitals in the country are equipped to handle Ebola patients. If it wasn't a big deal then why can't most hospitals handle it?
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Because it's not native to the country, we've never had a case of Ebola "in the wild" (meaning in the general public) or even outside a lab setting, and these facilities are monstrously expensive to build and maintain. Emory is only built to handle these because of its proximity to the CDC HQ since they handle a lot of these bacteria and viruses in their labs.

Bertogliat said:
still quite easy to catch.
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Actually, it really isn't. Unless you're eating uncooked bushmeat, handling those who are or were infected (or having sex with someone who is or was infected) AND you weren't practicing the most basic of hygienic procedures such as gloves, washing hands, maintaining a clean environment and work setting. This isn't an airborne virus. It's a contact virus. And it's only spread when someone is symptomatic.

Bertogliat said:
don't buy the blasais attitude of the TV doctors just yet.
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Well, I think the CDC and WHO can be considered the world's foremost experts on it. They aren't panicking yet.
 
walrus said:
Heard it on local news this morning, pardon me.
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The morning news screwed up an actual news story? Stop the press!
See, this why you go with Pat Callahan for news and Lee Nelson for fluff.
 
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