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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

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snc11 said:
If LFC splits with Adrian, they will have the same number of losses as SNC with SNC having the head-to-head edge (supposing SNC comes up with two wins at Northland…a task LFC was unable to complete). It would come down to their semi-final match if it plays out that way.

And, yes, I agree that St. Thomas taking the MIAC would be good for SNC, but not sure that they would end up ranked above SNC with 3 losses and one shootout loss to unranked teams should they not win the MIAC. Four of SNC's 5 losses were to teams that were ranked at one point this year (3 still ranked) and the remaining loss was to MSOE (who has been receiving an increasing number of votes each of the last 3 polls). I also feel if the NCHA plays out with the top 4 advancing after the first round, that MSOE has a good shot at beating Adrian. They played them tough early in the season and have gotten better with wins over SNC and LFC. SNC can finish 2nd and host LFC in the semi by winning both at Northland and LFC dropping 1 of 2 to Adrian.
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My recommendation for you is to carefully read the discussions concerning the Selection Process this year. You've shown that you don't truly understand the complicated matter just yet. You've done this by referencing the D3Hockey and USCHO Pools to support your arguments already. Now you've done it by your statement above. Unfortuantely, SNC's losses to ranked teams are far more damaging than St. Thomas' losses to non-ranked teams (all of this speculation of course since no one is currently ranked...but we can prognosticate). One of the criteria that the Selection Committee uses is Record versus Ranked. With that in mind, a loss to Adrian is much more damaging than a loss to St. Olaf.
 
snc11 said:
If LFC splits with Adrian, they will have the same number of losses as SNC with SNC having the head-to-head edge (supposing SNC comes up with two wins at Northland…a task LFC was unable to complete). It would come down to their semi-final match if it plays out that way.

And, yes, I agree that St. Thomas taking the MIAC would be good for SNC, but not sure that they would end up ranked above SNC with 3 losses and one shootout loss to unranked teams should they not win the MIAC. Four of SNC's 5 losses were to teams that were ranked at one point this year (3 still ranked) and the remaining loss was to MSOE (who has been receiving an increasing number of votes each of the last 3 polls). I also feel if the NCHA plays out with the top 4 advancing after the first round, that MSOE has a good shot at beating Adrian. They played them tough early in the season and have gotten better with wins over SNC and LFC. SNC can finish 2nd and host LFC in the semi by winning both at Northland and LFC dropping 1 of 2 to Adrian.
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As Ozz points out, it is actually better to lose to an unranked opponent than to a ranked one, because the loss to a ranked team hurts you in two criteria (Winning Percentage and Ranked Against Ranked teams - which you will see abbreviated to WIN ans RNK a lot over the next month on these boards).

As an aside: You reference St. Thomas having a shootout loss to St.
Mary's... For NCAA purposes, that game (and any game that ended in a shootout) is a tie. The Rankings committee and Championship Committee are not allowed to consider that result as anything other than a tie. The shootout does not, and will not, come into play here. It might as have never happened.

Also, "ranked" teams, for selection purposes, refers to a set of regional rankings produced by the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Regional Rankings Committee, which will eventually be given to the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Championship Committee for the use in seeding the NCAA Tournament. For these purposes - or for any legitimate purose, for that matter - the D3Hockey and USCHO polls have about as much influence on the respective schools' swimming teams as they do on the hockey teams (that is to say, it has no effect whatsoever). If you're confused about that, then you're better off ignoring both of those polls.

By the way, the first DIII Men's Ice Hockey official regional rankings are being made today, I believe. But the ones made today are, for whatever reason, top secret and will never be released to the public. The first ones we will actually see (and therefore be able to use for prognostication purposes) will be made next week.


OFF topic: I don't mean to sound rude or snarky. Like Ozz before me, I see that you don't understand the selection process, and so I'm offering you a little assistance.
 
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
As Ozz points out, it is actually better to lose to an unranked opponent than to a ranked one, because the loss to a ranked team hurts you in two criteria (Winning Percentage and Ranked Against Ranked teams - which you will see abbreviated to WIN ans RNK a lot over the next month on these boards).

As an aside: You reference St. Thomas having a shootout loss to St.
Mary's... For NCAA purposes, that game (and any game that ended in a shootout) is a tie. The Rankings committee and Championship Committee are not allowed to consider that result as anything other than a tie. The shootout does not, and will not, come into play here. It might as have never happened.

Also, "ranked" teams, for selection purposes, refers to a set of regional rankings produced by the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Regional Rankings Committee, which will eventually be given to the NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Championship Committee for the use in seeding the NCAA Tournament. For these purposes - or for any legitimate purose, for that matter - the D3Hockey and USCHO polls have about as much influence on the respective schools' swimming teams as they do on the hockey teams (that is to say, it has no effect whatsoever). If you're confused about that, then you're better off ignoring both of those polls.

By the way, the first DIII Men's Ice Hockey official regional rankings are being made today, I believe. But the ones made today are, for whatever reason, top secret and will never be released to the public. The first ones we will actually see (and therefore be able to use for prognostication purposes) will be made next week.


OFF topic: I don't mean to sound rude or snarky. Like Ozz before me, I see that you don't understand the selection process, and so I'm offering you a little assistance.
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The first public NCAA rankings are released next Tuesday Feb. 17.
 
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

Ozz said:
My recommendation for you is to carefully read the discussions concerning the Selection Process this year. You've shown that you don't truly understand the complicated matter just yet. You've done this by referencing the D3Hockey and USCHO Pools to support your arguments already. Now you've done it by your statement above. Unfortuantely, SNC's losses to ranked teams are far more damaging than St. Thomas' losses to non-ranked teams (all of this speculation of course since no one is currently ranked...but we can prognosticate). One of the criteria that the Selection Committee uses is Record versus Ranked. With that in mind, a loss to Adrian is much more damaging than a loss to St. Olaf.
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I understand all of that. I also understand Cards point about the tie. I was only using results and polls as a barometer...and to elicit discussion. Last seasons March 4th USCHO poll and the March 4th NCAA West rankings were exactly the same with the exception of Adrian and Stevens Point flipping the 2 and 3 spots, so to say it is not a barometer is disingenuous. The East ranking were a bit of a mess, but I think both USCHO and D3 both have the West figured out pretty accurately.
 
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Just a question because I don't have time to look, who is on the committee this year?
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Just a question because I don't have time to look, who is on the committee this year?
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• Don W. Olson, St. Scholastica athletic director (chair)

• Bill Kangas, Williams coach

• Dan Stauber, Wisconsin-Superior coach

• Michelle Walsh, Geneseo associate athletic director
 
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llama said:
• Don W. Olson, St. Scholastica athletic director (chair)

• Bill Kangas, Williams coach

• Dan Stauber, Wisconsin-Superior coach

• Michelle Walsh, Geneseo associate athletic director
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doesnt seem?? like much of a committee??
 
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bakdraft21 said:
doesnt seem?? like much of a committee??
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That's the national. There are Eastern and Western advisory committees that pick the ranked teams. I'm assuming that Mr. Olson and Coach Kangas are the respective chairs.

And the secret ranking #1 is out. But it's a secret.
 
joecct said:
That's the national. There are Eastern and Western advisory committees that pick the ranked teams. I'm assuming that Mr. Olson and Coach Kangas are the respective chairs.

And the secret ranking #1 is out. But it's a secret.
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I'm pretty sure that Bill Beaney is on the Eastern advisory committee.
 
joecct said:
That's the national. There are Eastern and Western advisory committees that pick the ranked teams. I'm assuming that Mr. Olson and Coach Kangas are the respective chairs.

And the secret ranking #1 is out. But it's a secret.
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Sorry guys - those were the only names I could find. No idea where to find the list of regional advisors?
 
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llama said:
Sorry guys - those were the only names I could find. No idea where to find the list of regional advisors?
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Regional Committee Composition


East

Bill Kangas, Williams (co-chair)
Michelle Walsh, SUNY Geneseo (co-chair)
Brian Dickinson, Brockport State
Neil Sinclair, Skidmore
Frank Millerick, Becker
Gary Heenan, Utica
Bill Beaney, Middlebury
Sue Lauder, Fitchburg State


West

Don Olson, St. Scholastica (co-chair)
Dan Stauber, UW-Superior (co-chair)
Matt Loen, UW-Eau Claire
Doug Schueller, Saint John's
A.J. Aitken, Marian

Found this on the other site
 
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97osu said:
Regional Committee Composition


East

Bill Kangas, Williams (co-chair)
Michelle Walsh, SUNY Geneseo (co-chair)
Brian Dickinson, Brockport State
Neil Sinclair, Skidmore
Frank Millerick, Becker
Gary Heenan, Utica
Bill Beaney, Middlebury
Sue Lauder, Fitchburg State


West

Don Olson, St. Scholastica (co-chair)
Dan Stauber, UW-Superior (co-chair)
Matt Loen, UW-Eau Claire
Doug Schueller, Saint John's
A.J. Aitken, Marian

Found this on the other site
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There is also the Division III Men's Ice Hockey Committee


Division III Men's Ice Hockey Committee
Name Title Organization
Bill Kangas Hockey Coach Williams College 09/01/17
Dan Stauber Head Men's Hickey Coach University of Wisconsin-Superior 09/01/18
Don W. Olson AD The College of St. Scholastica 09/01/16
Michelle Walsh Associate AD/SWA State University of New York at Geneseo 09/01/16

Division III Men's Ice Hockey Committee NOMINIES
Name Title Organization Expires
Blaise MacDonald Head Coach of Men's Hockey Colby College 07/25/15
Chris Brooks Head Coach, Men's Ice Hockey University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point 10/22/15
Chris Howe Head Hockey Coach Concordia College, Moorhead 02/14/16
James McLaughlin AD Union College (New York) 01/29/17
Katie Boldvich Associate Vice President Eastern College Athletic Conference-III 10/22/16
Kelly Scafariello Associate Athletic Director Salve Regina University 02/20/15
Nicholas Carriere Head Hockey Coach Buffalo State, State University of New York 07/29/15
Tom Di Camillo COM State University of New York Athletic Conference 10/28/16


Get your nominee selections in by 2/20/15.
 
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Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

UNION's AD makes no sense unless there is an old ECAC West Flavor in there somewhere. Or could it be a crack to get RIT in on the action???
Oswego '88
 
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

boy looks like trying to figure out who's even on the committee will get some smoke in your eyes:p
 
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