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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

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OSU2010 said:
I think oz is pretty much in even if they lose two games to platty, their RNK would be 2-2-0, and their win% (assuming they beat Pottsdam and whomever in the SUNYAC-Semi-Finals) would still be 0.82 good for 5th best in the East. They would also get a huge boost to SOS by playing platty twice.
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I agree, I like our chances even if we lose 2 to Platty, but I'm not ready to definitively say that yet. Ask Trinity what they thought of their chances as #1 near the end of last year..
 
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snc11 said:
SNC and Adrian both have fewer losses than Hobart and only one of them can get a Pool A. If both of them slip up, you can count on Adrian getting a Pool A. St. Thomas is sitting at 5 as well.
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You can also say Hobart has more wins than SNC and St. Thomas...
 
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This great speculation and good arguments that have been made, great reading. As a long time Laker fan the only for sure way the Lakers and all teams with Conferences with AQ to get in is to win the Conference Tourneys. As for the ECAC-West they had a chance and maybe still do to get their Seventh team, Canton which would solve their problems. Pool C is a crap shoot this year especially with Hobart coming on strong.
Oswego '88
 
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OSU2010 said:
My guess in the East

1)Trinity
2)Oswego
3)Norwich
4)Mass-Boston
5)Amherst
6)Plattsburgh
7)Hobart
8)Williams
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Looking pretty good...the only question is who is #8? I think Babson might still sneak in over Williams. Also, Hobart might be higher.
 
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IMO, if Oswego wins on Friday, Platty will need an AQ to get in.

I see Trinity, OSU, Amherst and Norwich as being mortal locks, and Hobart getting a Pool C if they win-out, or maybe even if they just appear in the W championship game... That's my take on the East.

As far as the West goes, sure seems to me that the committee needs to give that region the benefit of the doubt in light of its recent success, and award at least 4 berths there.
 
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snc11 said:
So do you think Hobart could win 2 of 3 against Plattsburgh?
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Having seen them both a few times, I'd say "yes". Either team could sweep the other, too, but Hobart is just better in their own end, IMO.
 
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snc11 said:
So do you think Hobart could win 2 of 3 against Plattsburgh?
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They beat them last year @ the Ronnie B. But I think the venue determines who wins the game.

However, one game is all it takes to advance. Heck, even the MASCAC can dream! :)

Fishman'81 said:
IMO, if Oswego wins on Friday, Platty will need an AQ to get in.

I see Trinity, OSU, Amherst and Norwich as being mortal locks, and Hobart getting a Pool C if they win-out, or maybe even if they just appear in the W championship game... That's my take on the East.

As far as the West goes, sure seems to me that the committee needs to give that region the benefit of the doubt in light of its recent success, and award at least 4 berths there.
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No team is a mortal lock. Just last year a mortal lock died in the smoke filled room.
 
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OSU2010 said:
I think oz is pretty much in even if they lose two games to platty, their RNK would be 2-2-0, and their win% (assuming they beat Pottsdam and whomever in the SUNYAC-Semi-Finals) would still be 0.82 good for 5th best in the East(or tied for top in the west). They would also get a huge boost to SOS by playing platty twice.
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Aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves figuring RNK (including two to the Cards) before tomorrow? Maybe 1-2-0 if Hobart loses to Elmira?
 
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joecct said:
They beat them last year @ the Ronnie B. But I think the venue determines who wins the game.

However, one game is all it takes to advance. Heck, even the MASCAC can dream! :)



No team is a mortal lock. Just last year a mortal lock died in the smoke filled room.
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Yes it did, but I doubt that the committee will embarrass itself again that badly.

(Or will it..? The D-3 "process" is a travesty as often as not. Point taken there.)
 
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snc11 said:
Actually if Oswego loses both to Plattsburgh and finishes 2-2, they're final win % would be .788 (19-4-3) and their last 25% would be 5-2. In that case, if Adrian doesn't win the NCHA, IMO they would be a lock Pool C bid over Oswego given this scenario. Adrian, in this scenario, would finish 22-4-3 and their last 25% would be 6-1. Add to that another Trinity stumble in the tournament and Oswego could be on the outside looking in. It is best to just take care of business. You never know who the committee will leave out on judgment day. Our boys are thinking win or go home. If you put Pool C in your back pocket it just might distract you enough.
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19-3-3, games against DII don't count in primary criteria, they're 17-1-3 right now as far as the NCAA is concerned
 
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Hobart is better in their own end ? Plattsburgh tied for 6th in nation allowing 1.91 goals per game. Hobart sits at 25th allowing 2.54. As always , don't let facts get in the way !!


Fishman'81 said:
Having seen them both a few times, I'd say "yes". Either team could sweep the other, too, but Hobart is just better in their own end, IMO.
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Better double-check whether or not D2 games count in primary criteria. I've heard both sides. Perhaps Prez, or somebody "in the know" can clarify??
 
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Cards81 said:
Better double-check whether or not D2 games count in primary criteria. I've heard both sides. Perhaps Prez, or somebody "in the know" can clarify??
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Clarified:

Primary Selection Criteria – Division II Opponents. The committee did not
approve a recommendation to allow results against Division II opponents to
count in primary selection criteria. The committee noted that a survey of
institutions sponsoring the sport conducted within the last five years did not
demonstrate support for such a change. However, the committee expressed
interest to hear a more developed recommendation from the men’s ice hockey DIII Championships Committee
committee about including results against Division II opponents in a calculation
of overall strength of schedule within secondary criteria (versus strength of
schedule of non-Division III opponents).
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My guess...

1)Trinity
2)Oswego
3)Norwich
4)Amherst
5)UMASS-Boston
6)Hobart
7)Plattsburgh
8)Williams


1)Adrian
2)Wisconsin-Stevens Point
3)Wisconsin-Eau Claire
4)Wisconsin-River Falls
5)St. Norbert
6)St. Thomas


- Could easily see Hobart and UMASS-Boston switch spots.
- I think Eau Claire's weekend sweep in late January over River Falls is enough to get them to the #3 spot.
- Would be real interesting if UMASS-Boston, Amherst, & Plattsburgh win their Pool A.
- Could see Babson over Williams for the 8th spot, but I think Babson will be left out.
- If this is exactly correct, I'm playing the lotto tomorrow.
 
Fishman'81 said:
Yes it did, but I doubt that the committee will embarrass itself again that badly.

(Or will it..? The D-3 "process" is a travesty as often as not. Point taken there.)
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If you are referring to Trinity, I think the committee got that one correct last year. If you are referring to the absence of an ECAC W team in the tourney last season, I think the committee got that correct also. Point deserved last season's Pool B, and I believe the Pool C's were Adrian, Norwich, and either Oswego or Geneseo. They got it right.
 
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altazo said:
If you are referring to Trinity, I think the committee got that one correct last year. If you are referring to the absence of an ECAC W team in the tourney last season, I think the committee got that correct also. Point deserved last season's Pool B, and I believe the Pool C's were Adrian, Norwich, and either Oswego or Geneseo. They got it right.
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Geneseo was the Pool C. Oswego won the SUNY final in a wild 7-6 affair IIRC vs. Genny.
 
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snc11 said:
St. Norbert is currently ranked ahead of Eau Claire in both polls. I don't see how SNC would end up ranked below Eau Claire. SNC has a better win %, a head-to-head win over Eau Claire, and no losses to sub .500 teams.
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- Polls don't matter
- Losses to sub .500 teams don't matter
- Actually, if all of SNC losses were to sub .500 teams, that would be better for them :)

- SNC does have the head-to-head win
- SNC has a slightly higher Win%
- Eau Claire is going to win L25
- Eau Claire is going to win SOS
- RNK is going to be close depending who is ranked
- SNC currently takes the COP by a very slim margin.


It's close, but I think whenever it is close, the committee tends to reward SOS when there is a signifcant difference in that category.
 
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OSU2010 said:
19-3-3, games against DII don't count in primary criteria, they're 17-1-3 right now as far as the NCAA is concerned
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And for this reason, I think Oswego is #1 in the east.... at least until Friday!:D
 
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spwood said:
And for this reason, I think Oswego is #1 in the east.... at least until Friday!:D
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Trinity still wins WIN and SOS over Oswego....


But when Oswego wins Friday, we might see a different #1 ;)
 
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