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The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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dggoddard said:
Most likely the BCS turmoil has thrown hockey on Notre Dame's backburner. Latest crazy BCS rumor is Texas going to the ACC.
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Terms Presented by Notre Dame and Texas
Latest rumor to hit the intarwebz...

Earlier this evening, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference with their proposed terms of entry into the conference. These terms resulted from lengthy discussions among both schools and the Big Ten over the past several months.

The major items include:
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.
2. The staggering of the schedule to allow for mid-season scheduling with non-conference football opponents.
3. The preservation of the status quo conference makeup until approximately 2014, unless the Big XII fails to retain key (NOT including A&M) conference members. This will provide the member schools, acting in unison, with the greatest leverage negotiating ongoing television contracts, particularly with ESPN.
4. Should Texas depart the conference for the Big Ten before ND due to the further disintegration of the Big XII, ND will remain independent until approximately 2014
5. The Longhorn Network would remain independent until approximately 2014, at which point the network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network (specifically referred to as "BTN2"), likely either in partnership with Fox, NBC, or less likely ABC
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Slap Shot said:
Terms Presented by Notre Dame and Texas
Latest rumor to hit the intarwebz...
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It's times like this that I'm really glad I'm nothing more than a very casual college football fan. If conference shenanigans can throw internet message boards for a small, niche sport like college hockey into the silly convulsions we've seen on USCHO, I can't imagine what big time college football message boards look, and read, like.
 
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SJHovey said:
It's times like this that I'm really glad I'm nothing more than a very casual college football fan. If conference shenanigans can throw internet message boards for a small, niche sport like college hockey into the silly convulsions we've seen on USCHO, I can't imagine what big time college football message boards look, and read, like.
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Shaggy Bevo is hilarious. They drop F-bombs and make USCHO look like a garden party....

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/96360-ND-and-Texas-on-the-move?p=3120887#post3120887
 
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SCSU Euro said:
How do you figure? Its not like any teams that were highlighted made some deep NCAA runs.
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I repeat that, in the world of college hockey, polls are nothing more than a beauty contest. They are just as important in hoops. The only college sport where polls make a difference is football where only two teams make the final.

Again, those polls were not taken from the same time frame - that is comparing apples to oranges. The new chart compares poll results from after the season - apples and apples.

And the polls do change based on the NCAA tournament. Not a single team in yellow (0/10) is in the same place before the tournament as after.
 
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Priceless said:
I repeat that, in the world of college hockey, polls are nothing more than a beauty contest. They are just as important in hoops. The only college sport where polls make a difference is football where only two teams make the final.

Again, those polls were not taken from the same time frame - that is comparing apples to oranges. The new chart compares poll results from after the season - apples and apples.

And the polls do change based on the NCAA tournament. Not a single team in yellow (0/10) is in the same place before the tournament as after.
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You repeat? Did nobody responding to you the first time not come across as maybe we didn't care? And what does it matter if they were exactly where they were before, none of the highlighted teams would have switched places amongst each other, which was the poster's original point, where they were in relation to the field and to each other.
 
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SCSU Euro said:
You repeat? Did nobody responding to you the first time not come across as maybe we didn't care?
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If you enjoy meaningless beauty contests you should pay attention to the polls. I prefer to actually look at things that matter and, in terms of college hockey, that's the pairwise system. Carry on.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I forgot that Miami had accepted membership to the WCHA before the National had been formed. Oh wait...they hadn't. Your point here is purely speculative. We'll most likely never know if Miami would have joined the WCHA had it not split up.
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Which is why I stated, "for example"...read my lips.:rolleyes: It's all water under the bridge now, but I don't think it's dubious at all to envision Miami choosing the WCHA had the conference remained intact considering: 1) Gwoz's connection to Miami, which was likely influential in bringing Miami into the NCHC in the first place, 2) WCHA coaches unanimously voted to add two teams to the WCHA in the April conference meetings, 3) The WCHA would have been on the top of Miami's list of conference candidates.

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
McLeod was a buffoon, and largely inept at leadership. When North Dakota traveled to Alaska during the whole volcano scare a few years ago, McLeod and the WCHA did not have a contingency plan in place. Nothing. I'm sure others can elaborate more on other issues as well.
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You mean "is" a buffoon, or did that change now that UND left. I assumed you would have more sense than to cite one weak example from a few years ago to completely malign Bruce McLeod's character and his several years of leadership as commissioner of one of the premier college hockey conferences in the NCAA. That's not only inappropriate, it's just plain stupid. Seems a little "hostile and abusive" don't you think "Fighting Sioux" 23?:D

Slap Shot said:
Terms Presented by Notre Dame and Texas Latest rumor to hit the intarwebz...
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It's interesting how college football realignment reports have become so viral that many of them lack source documentation and journalistic integrity. Such as suspected rumors of UT going to the Pac-12 being purposely fabricated by dubious sports media hacks that want the Big 12 to dissolve in order to capitalize on the financial windfall of having UT in the league.

Pete Thamel, the national college sports reporter for the New York Times twittered yesterday: "There's a Texas-ND-Big Ten email/blog/conspiracy theory floating around. Its not true. Not even close." Take it for what it's worth. I have a hard time believing that the BTN can weave the LHN under their cover, or that UT will agree to revenue sharing in the B1G, or that ESPN will allow the LHN to be reworked by Fox, or even that Boone Pickens will allow the Big 12 to dissolve without a massive dog fight.

IF hell freezes over and UT and ND become part of B1G, it seems reasonable to assume ND hockey may choose to play in the B1G. It seems much more feasible for ND to work their network under the BTN footprint than UT's LHN. That transaction would be a quantum leap in BTN's nationwide expansion and subsequently fulfill the BTN's long time ulterior motive of kicking ESPN's as$ into the next decade.

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The blogger PBC who documented the above report on ND and UT's interest in the B1G wrote the following shortly after publishing it:

ESPN attorneys have already contacted the Big Ten regarding the content of this post. Again, I am in no way affiliated with the Big Ten conference nor should anything I write be considered credible in any context.

However, ESPN has unfairly used its bully pulpit to influence Texas stakeholders to prefer the PAC. The Big Ten feels that if the current trend of reporting that Texas only has interest in the PAC 12 continues, this would merit a major legal action against ESPN.
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College hockey is the BCS's little b****. Football decisions trickle down and affect hockey.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
good thing DU doesn't have a football team then..;)
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True.

DU has saved tens of millions since dropping football in 1960. Money that today keeps the hockey, skiing, lacrosse, gymnastics and women's golf as national D-I powers. But the lack of a football program is a heavy burden when looking for conference affiliation.

You can run a very competitive D-I athletic program for $20 million per year without football. Private schools like Rice, Tulane, Tulsa and others lose $5-7 million on football annually. Vanderbilt, Duke and Northwestern make profits thanks to massive BCS subsidies.
 
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dggoddard said:
True.

DU has saved tens of millions since dropping football in 1960. Money that today keeps the hockey, skiing, lacrosse, gymnastics and women's golf as national D-I powers. But the lack of a football program is a heavy burden when looking for conference affiliation.

You can run a very competitive D-I athletic program for $20 million per year without football. Private schools like Rice, Tulane, Tulsa and others lose $5-7 million on football annually. Vanderbilt, Duke and Northwestern make profits thanks to massive BCS subsidies.
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Denver sounds like a good school for lesbians and other masculinely challenged types.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
McLeod may be a buffoon, I won't argue that, but this is the dumbest argument to prove it that I have heard. Who needs a ****ing contingency plan for "drive to Fairbanks and fly from there"?
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If it was that simple, you would think a competent person would have had that as option A for the contingency plan. My point was not that there were things that could be done (obviously there were) it was that the conference had no contingency plan. It shows a complete lack of leadership ability.

HarleyMC said:
You mean "is" a buffoon, or did that change now that UND left. I assumed you would have more sense than to cite one weak example from a few years ago to completely malign Bruce McLeod's character and his several years of leadership as commissioner of one of the premier college hockey conferences in the NCAA. That's not only inappropriate, it's just plain stupid. [pointless name calling omitted]
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Because we're talking about a reason cited for an event that has already occurred, 'was' was the correct choice. The fact that he currently may or may not be a buffoon would not change why the previous event occurred.

If having zero leadership in a potential time of crisis is a weak example, then I'm curious what you consider a strong one. The WCHA succeeded due to the athletic departments of the schools in the conference, not Bruce McLeod.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
If it was that simple, you would think a competent person would have had that as option A for the contingency plan. My point was not that there were things that could be done (obviously there were) it was that the conference had no contingency plan. It shows a complete lack of leadership ability.
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Explain to me how not having a contingency plan is Bruce McLeod's fault? Are the records of the WCHA members feeling its necessary to have such plans and want to spend money developing them? IF McLeod had spent money developing contingency plans for god knows what and DU & UND's playoff share checks were smaller than expected...he'd still be a buffoon in your eyes. I think this is a horse***** excuse for just wanting out for whatever stupid reason DU and UND want to come up with. The simple truth is Minnesota and Wisconsin left to associate with schools that they have a longer history with in every sphere except Hockey. Instead of stepping up and taking charge of the situation UND and DU ran away from their conference mates to create a new league without the guarantee of Notre Dame, a larger travel footprint, no real geographic center. Bravo on overreacting.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Explain to me how not having a contingency plan is Bruce McLeod's fault? Are the records of the WCHA members feeling its necessary to have such plans and want to spend money developing them? IF McLeod had spent money developing contingency plans for god knows what and DU & UND's playoff share checks were smaller than expected...he'd still be a buffoon in your eyes. I think this is a horse***** excuse for just wanting out for whatever stupid reason DU and UND want to come up with. The simple truth is Minnesota and Wisconsin left to associate with schools that they have a longer history with in every sphere except Hockey. Instead of stepping up and taking charge of the situation UND and DU ran away from their conference mates to create a new league without the guarantee of Notre Dame, a larger travel footprint, no real geographic center. Bravo on overreacting.
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This post clearly showed the correct answer what happened to the WCHA. Kudos on a job well done.
 
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