USCHO Fan Forum
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
-
The USCHO Fan Forum has migrated to a new plaform, xenForo. Most of the function of the forum should work in familiar ways. Please note that you can switch between light and dark modes by clicking on the gear icon in the upper right of the main menu bar. We are hoping that this new platform will prove to be faster and more reliable. Please feel free to explore its features.
The new Super League is going down the tubes.
- Thread starter Happy
- Start date
- Status
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
So now Notre Dame is going to create the "CHL" ... Catholic Hockey League?
Notre Dame
Boston College
Providence College
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Canisius
So now Notre Dame is going to create the "CHL" ... Catholic Hockey League?
Notre Dame
Boston College
Providence College
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Canisius
Frank the Tank
New member
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Whether it's right or wrong, college hockey is now merely catching up to where the rest of the college sports world has been for years. It's absolutely about "brand differentiation", which in turn is about money, prestige and image (which all go hand-in-hand).
Whether the BTHC is better than the SL or CCHA or WCHA or Hockey East on the ice is largely irrelevant for conference alignment purposes. In fact, conference alignment in college sports is actually counterintuitive: the most valuable schools are the ones that still provide value *even when they suck on the field/court/ice*. Do you provide a great fan base? Do you have a great TV market? Do you have a national brand name? Have casual sports fans that rarely watch your sport heard of you? Even the most powerful programs in any sport will inevitably have down periods. Anyone can draw fans when they're winning. That's easy. It's the programs that still actually draw fans and viewers during those down periods that are the most valuable ones of all. (That's why Notre Dame football still gets paid a ton of scratch.)
As a result, the strongest conferences are the ones with similarly-situated schools. Now, the Big Ten is quite a bit more than just a new hockey league - in case people have forgotten, it's been in existence for everything else for over 100 years and they are all like-minded academic institutions as a whole (not just sports departments). I see a lot of people on this board blaming Barry Alvarez or Minnesota or whoever else for the BTHC, but the fact of the matter is that they were going to form a league if/when there was a 6th member, just as is the case with every other sport where it has the NCAA auto-bid minimum. The Big Ten is all about branding - whether you like them or not, it's an extremely powerful and valuable brand name (and that's why they've kept it despite having 12 members).
Likewise, the new SL is about those 6 schools branding themselves, too. Perception is reality in college sports. Being in a strong conference is actually more important than being a strong program in today's college sports world (unless you can go it alone like ND football). Is it theoretically harder to win? Maybe, but we've seen in college football, basketball and baseball that long-term success is almost predicated on being in a strong conference top-to-bottom. For instance, it might be easier for the Big East schools to make a BCS bowl right now, but they are clearly worse off financially (which has had long-term effects on recruiting and TV exposure) after losing Miami, VT and BC as it now has a stigma of being behind the other BCS leagues. Maybe you won't see the effects immediately, yet in 5 to 10 years, the results on the ice are going to be tilted toward the new power leagues. Money doesn't guarantee winning, but it does guarantee stability, which is worth a ton in an unstable college sports environment.
Whether it's right or wrong, college hockey is now merely catching up to where the rest of the college sports world has been for years. It's absolutely about "brand differentiation", which in turn is about money, prestige and image (which all go hand-in-hand).
Whether the BTHC is better than the SL or CCHA or WCHA or Hockey East on the ice is largely irrelevant for conference alignment purposes. In fact, conference alignment in college sports is actually counterintuitive: the most valuable schools are the ones that still provide value *even when they suck on the field/court/ice*. Do you provide a great fan base? Do you have a great TV market? Do you have a national brand name? Have casual sports fans that rarely watch your sport heard of you? Even the most powerful programs in any sport will inevitably have down periods. Anyone can draw fans when they're winning. That's easy. It's the programs that still actually draw fans and viewers during those down periods that are the most valuable ones of all. (That's why Notre Dame football still gets paid a ton of scratch.)
As a result, the strongest conferences are the ones with similarly-situated schools. Now, the Big Ten is quite a bit more than just a new hockey league - in case people have forgotten, it's been in existence for everything else for over 100 years and they are all like-minded academic institutions as a whole (not just sports departments). I see a lot of people on this board blaming Barry Alvarez or Minnesota or whoever else for the BTHC, but the fact of the matter is that they were going to form a league if/when there was a 6th member, just as is the case with every other sport where it has the NCAA auto-bid minimum. The Big Ten is all about branding - whether you like them or not, it's an extremely powerful and valuable brand name (and that's why they've kept it despite having 12 members).
Likewise, the new SL is about those 6 schools branding themselves, too. Perception is reality in college sports. Being in a strong conference is actually more important than being a strong program in today's college sports world (unless you can go it alone like ND football). Is it theoretically harder to win? Maybe, but we've seen in college football, basketball and baseball that long-term success is almost predicated on being in a strong conference top-to-bottom. For instance, it might be easier for the Big East schools to make a BCS bowl right now, but they are clearly worse off financially (which has had long-term effects on recruiting and TV exposure) after losing Miami, VT and BC as it now has a stigma of being behind the other BCS leagues. Maybe you won't see the effects immediately, yet in 5 to 10 years, the results on the ice are going to be tilted toward the new power leagues. Money doesn't guarantee winning, but it does guarantee stability, which is worth a ton in an unstable college sports environment.
dggoddard
New member
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
When Minnesota State-Mankato entered the WCHA in 1999-2000, it had to pay $120,000 over three years, and it did not receive a cut of postseason revenue during that time.
College Hockey Inc is funded by NHL revenue destined for developmental leagues. If the windfall wasn't used to fund College Hockey Inc, it would just be swallowed up by the college hockey athletic departments and a not a dime would flow back to hockey. College Hockey Inc uses the funds to educate Canadian players and families about NCAA hockey and the dangers of signing a major junior contracts before players become sure-fire NHL draft prospects.
Bemidji & UNO "paid" nothing. They agreed to not take WCHA Final 5 postseason revenue for a probationary period (approx $100,000 per school per year). I believe that Bemidji's probational period was double UNO's.
When Minnesota State-Mankato entered the WCHA in 1999-2000, it had to pay $120,000 over three years, and it did not receive a cut of postseason revenue during that time.
College Hockey Inc is funded by NHL revenue destined for developmental leagues. If the windfall wasn't used to fund College Hockey Inc, it would just be swallowed up by the college hockey athletic departments and a not a dime would flow back to hockey. College Hockey Inc uses the funds to educate Canadian players and families about NCAA hockey and the dangers of signing a major junior contracts before players become sure-fire NHL draft prospects.
Last edited:
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
And for those of you not able to understand Frank the Tank's message, the "Reader's Digest" version:
It's all about the Benjamins.
And for those of you not able to understand Frank the Tank's message, the "Reader's Digest" version:
It's all about the Benjamins.
But he explained why, as opposed to spouting a cliché.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Nah. Start with the first two, add BU, UNH, Maine, and Vermont and you might have something.
So now Notre Dame is going to create the "CHL" ... Catholic Hockey League?
Notre Dame
Boston College
Providence College
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Canisius
Nah. Start with the first two, add BU, UNH, Maine, and Vermont and you might have something.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
You forgot Mercyhurst, Niagara, and Sacred Heart.
You forgot Mercyhurst, Niagara, and Sacred Heart.
So now Notre Dame is going to create the "CHL" ... Catholic Hockey League?
Notre Dame
Boston College
Providence College
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Canisius
dggoddard
New member
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
The Press Conference on Wednesday will explain how the league will go down the tubes, what tube they will go down and who's fault it is that they had to leave the WCHA & CCHA.
Live Press Conference
Wednesday, July 13, 2011
11 AM MT
www.OneSportsPlus.com
The Press Conference on Wednesday will explain how the league will go down the tubes, what tube they will go down and who's fault it is that they had to leave the WCHA & CCHA.
Live Press Conference
Wednesday, July 13, 2011
11 AM MT
www.OneSportsPlus.com
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
what i don't get it.... where's the cannon fodder?
example - sure, the SEC is a great football conference. but they always have their vanderbuilt's and kentucky's... i think we can look at the bthc and see that mich/msu/goph/bucky are going in thinking, "i'll get my guaranteed four wins vs psu for the first half decade, and against tOSU in perpetuity.." but even then if you slip up against the others you are under .500 and can you count on a PWR boost from playing mankato/tech/etc at home in the dodge classic every year to make the ncaa?!?
even more so now with this 'super' league... who's the ******? half of these guys can expect to become bottom dwellers to the others in a flash. then once you get there, it can be quite a while before you climb back (ahem...providence).
being poor is tough.... but being once rich, then poor is tougher.
what i don't get it.... where's the cannon fodder?
example - sure, the SEC is a great football conference. but they always have their vanderbuilt's and kentucky's... i think we can look at the bthc and see that mich/msu/goph/bucky are going in thinking, "i'll get my guaranteed four wins vs psu for the first half decade, and against tOSU in perpetuity.." but even then if you slip up against the others you are under .500 and can you count on a PWR boost from playing mankato/tech/etc at home in the dodge classic every year to make the ncaa?!?
even more so now with this 'super' league... who's the ******? half of these guys can expect to become bottom dwellers to the others in a flash. then once you get there, it can be quite a while before you climb back (ahem...providence).
being poor is tough.... but being once rich, then poor is tougher.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Right after this press conference the Big Ten will be announcing that they will be leaving the NCAA. Seriously, don't be suprised if this happens in the future. ;P
Right after this press conference the Big Ten will be announcing that they will be leaving the NCAA. Seriously, don't be suprised if this happens in the future. ;P
smokeythebear
Registered User
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
the lord doesn't pick sides, all have split conference championship
So now Notre Dame is going to create the "CHL" ... Catholic Hockey League?
Notre Dame
Boston College
Providence College
Holy Cross
Merrimack
Canisius
the lord doesn't pick sides, all have split conference championship
Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Too bad it be overshadowed by the US Women's Soccer team making it to the World Cup Finals.
Too bad it be overshadowed by the US Women's Soccer team making it to the World Cup Finals.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Yep all the Sioux fans I know in my parts are dead set against this new super duper league. Of course I am old as are most my friends are and we hate to see the tradition of the WCHA go down the tubes. Not sure where people are getting the idea that Sioux fans are all giddy about this new league because the majority of us are not.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Thank you. Obviously, these people on here have never looked at an athletic budget nor have they taken the time to learn about title IX.
If you did, you would understand the difficulty of started a Division I full-scholarship hockey program. College hockey is a very expensive sport to initiate considering the expectation of losing $6-800 on a womens program that would be mandatory to be in compliance with title IX.
Thank you. Obviously, these people on here have never looked at an athletic budget nor have they taken the time to learn about title IX.
If you did, you would understand the difficulty of started a Division I full-scholarship hockey program. College hockey is a very expensive sport to initiate considering the expectation of losing $6-800 on a womens program that would be mandatory to be in compliance with title IX.
Flashy Man
Misfit Emeritus
$6-$800 seems relatively manageable.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Too bad the pot will probably be half the size too...Someone else understands math.
ecbrevik
Old Time North Dakota Hockey!
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
In the end, I doubt the pot will be less than it would have been in the new WCHA. It could be more. And that is why this is happening. My bet is these 6 schools expect the pot to grow based on this move.
I doubt the pot will be half what it would have been in a Minny/Bucky-less WCHA. Exactly what it ends up being depends very much on what these schools manage to negotiate for TV rights and how they handle the conference tourny. On the TV side, much may ride with Notre Dame. The Irish are a national name with a national following, and if Notre Dame ends up in the new conference it probably ups the TV value by quite a bit. If Notre Dame goes elsewhere, the TV value of the new league is much less.
In the end, I doubt the pot will be less than it would have been in the new WCHA. It could be more. And that is why this is happening. My bet is these 6 schools expect the pot to grow based on this move.
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
I think you mean 'too funny' that it will be overshadowed by women's soccer.
I think you mean 'too funny' that it will be overshadowed by women's soccer.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
IF you get Notre Dame, this whole move makes sense to the Sioux-Per League. If not, I don't really see the SPL revenue really being more than half what it would have been in the B1Gless WCHA. The playoff structure is very important in determining this. Other than Grand Forks...there isn't a location that makes sense and there will be very little interest for this tournament from Minnesotans...But we'll never know since you guys abandoned the league before we could even see what the Final Five would be like without the B1Gs
- Status