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The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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You are 100% correct. Their football program doesn't generate the revenue needed to be a big time BCS athletic program.

CU had trouble coming up with the money to buy out Gary Barnett after the "stripper scandals" and couldn't buy out the Big XII a year early like Nebraska did to join the Pac-10. You could also make the case that they couldn't afford the arms race in the Big XII and left for the Pac-10.

Keep an eye on Colorado State. Northern Colorado is a hockey hotbed right now and I wouldn't be surprised to see CSU make a run for a team. With the Budweiser Event Center close by, and a region that sells out the 5,000+ seat arena for minor league hockey, I can see CSU being successful.
 
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Keep an eye on Colorado State. Northern Colorado is a hockey hotbed right now and I wouldn't be surprised to see CSU make a run for a team. With the Budweiser Event Center close by, and a region that sells out the 5,000+ seat arena for minor league hockey, I can see CSU being successful.

CSU hockey supporters did some great things to raise awareness and luckily they have access to a first rate arena, as you mentioned, but their AD implied that he wants all the money up front to endow a hockey program. Likely around $10 million.

The Website set up by the CSU hockey supporters no longer exists and their campaign begun in 2008 looks to have disappeared as well.

http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2008/09/csu-hockey-starts-llc-website.html
 
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In 10 years, the landscape will have changed again. How long before schools like Nebraska (Lincoln), Colorado, Arizona, Northern Arizona, etc. add hockey?

Why would any of those schools go varsity/D-I?

If anything, the most likely schools to go varsity/D-I are the ones that would be able to play schools that are members of their primary conferences (see: Penn State). At a certain point, I thought the most likely thing to happen in the post-BTHC era was to see more MAC and NSIC schools consider coming into the empty spots of the WCHA and CCHA, but IMO the departure of Miami and UMD to the BHHC/Super Dee Duper League will kill any momentum that existed in that direction.
 
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CSU hockey supporters did some great things to raise awareness and luckily they have access to a first rate arena, as you mentioned, but their AD implied that he wants all the money up from to endow a hockey program. Likely around $10 million.

The Website set up by the CSU hockey supporters no longer exists and their campaign begun in 2008 looks to have disappeared as well.

http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2008/09/csu-hockey-starts-llc-website.html

I don't think CSU had much of a chance to actually make that happen. Too much money required without a wealthy donor.

I suppose that the BHHC (since it supposedly only has 6 schools) has room to add more schools, and a larger school in the CO-NE-ND footprint might look pretty attractive. But I won't be holding my breath.
 
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One interesting angle is now the B10 and L6 (little 6 as I will call them ;)) will both have a need for many n/c games to fill out thier schedule, a perfect match for both conferences. Now the Sue will be able to play the rodents and Badgers every year no problem. They could do 2 game home and home series and still have room to schedule some cupcakes, besides the rodents anyway. :eek:
 
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One interesting angle is now the B10 and L6 (little 6 as I will call them ;)) will both have a need for many n/c games to fill out thier schedule, a perfect match for both conferences. Now the Sue will be able to play the rodents and Badgers every year no problem. They could do 2 game home and home series and still have room to schedule some cupcakes, besides the rodents anyway. :eek:

They'll be able to play the Gophers and Badgers every year. Maybe they will against the Gophers, but I don't think they'll get that against UW, as long as they think that they'll get as many home games as away games.
 
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Why would any of those schools go varsity/D-I?

If anything, the most likely schools to go varsity/D-I are the ones that would be able to play schools that are members of their primary conferences (see: Penn State). At a certain point, I thought the most likely thing to happen in the post-BTHC era was to see more MAC and NSIC schools consider coming into the empty spots of the WCHA and CCHA, but IMO the departure of Miami and UMD to the BHHC/Super Dee Duper League will kill any momentum that existed in that direction.
The NSIC is a D-II league, so those schools would have a problem with the freeze on playing up.
 
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They'll be able to play the Gophers and Badgers every year. Maybe they will against the Gophers, but I don't think they'll get that against UW, as long as they think that they'll get as many home games as away games.

I still think a tournament at the X is the best route for games to happen, along with a nickname change at UND. It could be the Big Butt Hurt Beanpot with UMD, UND, UMN, and UW. It could either be similar to the Showcase to make sure that you don't play against a conference foe, OR you could have a tournament and switch up the pairings each year similar to the GLI or Beanpot. Play it over Thanksgiving so as not to conflict with Holiday Tournaments, and split the revenue by four. Apologies to those who have heard my rant on this before. :)
 
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In 10 years, the landscape will have changed again. How long before schools like Nebraska (Lincoln), Colorado, Arizona, Northern Arizona, etc. add hockey?

It took an 80 million dollar or so donation with strings attached for Penn State to do it. You need to lay off the funny stuff.
 
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Whether or not Notre Dame is coming to the Super League, you can bet your bottom dollar that the 6 AD's, presidents, coaches & Versus/NBC Sports Network already know the answer.

IMO, the media link is the missing piece of the puzzle that essential validates the creation of the SL and distinguishes it's vision from the WCHA. One thing for sure, the conglomerate merger of Versus/NBC/Comcast positioned NBC Sports Network to be the new contender on the block with ESPN for sports broadcast rights in the US.

Their commitment to expand the hockey media market in the US was clearly reflected in the 10 year/$2 billion dollar media deal inked in April between NBC Sports Group and the NHL. The deal was clearly historical for both the NHL and NBC Sports. It basically doubled the number of televised NHL games in their previous NHL broadcast package. Bettman labeled it, "...the most significant U.S. media rights partnership in the leagues history". Why such a monster contract if as Scooby often says, no one watches NHL hockey?

Contrary to what some people think, "...overall NHL television ratings in the United States increased by 84 percent over the last four years, and this year's Winter Classic was the most-watched regular season hockey game in the U.S. in 36 years". More people in the US are tuning into hockey than ever before. Versus boasted its highest regular-season viewership this season, a 17 percent jump over last season. The numbers I saw indicated the NHL was on track to setting a new revenue record of over 2.9 billion dollars.

Bettman and Ebersol's (NBC) vision is to strategically target and catalyze the growth of NHL hockey viewership in key hockey markets throughout the US. Could NBC be persuaded to adopt a vision that includes investing in the college hockey media market generated by the Super League? I tend to think there's a good possibility the SL will get some kind of unprecedented deal worked out. Notre Dame could be halfway in the door of the SL already for all we know.
 
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The NSIC is a D-II league, so those schools would have a problem with the freeze on playing up.
And the freeze is over. There is now a prohibition on any more playups.

Unless the men followed the women and went to a National Collegiate Championship.
 
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It took an 80 million dollar or so donation with strings attached for Penn State to do it. You need to lay off the funny stuff.

Plus, wouldn't you have to add a girls program, or do something else to satisfy Title IX?
 
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That was part of the deal at Penn State. So, yes.

Actually depending on where you read it the women's program was not part of the original deal, more of an after thought. Based off the PSU site the monies were for an arena and a men's program.
 
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IMO, the media link is the missing piece of the puzzle that essential validates the creation of the SL and distinguishes it's vision from the WCHA. One thing for sure, the conglomerate merger of Versus/NBC/Comcast positioned NBC Sports Network to be the new contender on the block with ESPN for sports broadcast rights in the US.

Their commitment to expand the hockey media market in the US was clearly reflected in the 10 year/$2 billion dollar media deal inked in April between NBC Sports Group and the NHL. The deal was clearly historical for both the NHL and NBC Sports. It basically doubled the number of televised NHL games in their previous NHL broadcast package. Bettman labeled it, "...the most significant U.S. media rights partnership in the leagues history". Why such a monster contract if as Scooby often says, no one watches NHL hockey?

Contrary to what some people think, "...overall NHL television ratings in the United States increased by 84 percent over the last four years, and this year's Winter Classic was the most-watched regular season hockey game in the U.S. in 36 years". More people in the US are tuning into hockey than ever before. Versus boasted its highest regular-season viewership this season, a 17 percent jump over last season. The numbers I saw indicated the NHL was on track to setting a new revenue record of over 2.9 billion dollars.

Bettman and Ebersol's (NBC) vision is to strategically target and catalyze the growth of NHL hockey viewership in key hockey markets throughout the US. Could NBC be persuaded to adopt a vision that includes investing in the college hockey media market generated by the Super League? I tend to think there's a good possibility the SL will get some kind of unprecedented deal worked out. Notre Dame could be halfway in the door of the SL already for all we know.

My feeling is that Notre Dame won't join the SL. Outside of its heavy Chicago influence, it's basically an East Coast school that happens to be located in the Midwest. From a pure competitive hockey perspective, the SL might be the best choice, but ND's actions in athletics have almost always about perception and reaching its key alums (who, once again, largely live on the East Coast along with Chicago and pockets in California) along with a national profile. The SL really doesn't aid ND in that regard. Assuming that they join an existing league, I think it would be the Hockey East... although if North Dakota and Denver can start their own league, then absolutely *no one* should put it past ND to do the exact same thing with schools that it wants to associate itself with in the Northeast. If the WCHA wasn't safe (even after the Wisconsin and Minnesota departures), then absolutely no conference is safe with ND as a free agent. If there's any school that has the leverage to customize a league by itself right now, it's ND, and that actually is much more their style than to join an existing conference.

The rest of your post, though, makes a lot of sense. College hockey isn't ever going to draw great total numbers, but making money in cable isn't necessarily about total numbers. The demo is just as important and viewers of college hockey tend to be more educated with higher incomes than your average TV viewer, is very loyal, and, with the pure nature of live sporting events, sports fans watch commercials because they generally watch it live. That's why the value of sports programming has been skyrocketing compared to other programs. The number of people that DVR sporting events is miniscule (if anyone here does it, you are a tiny statistical exception) compared to regular TV programs, so sports have been rising in relative value because it's one of the few outlets that viewers will actually sit through commercials now. The SL isn't ever going to get Big Ten dollars, but I'd wager they're going to get a heck of a lot more than they would've received by staying in the WCHA if only because they get to split the pot only 6 ways now.
 
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

IMO, the media link is the missing piece of the puzzle that essential validates the creation of the SL and distinguishes it's vision from the WCHA. One thing for sure, the conglomerate merger of Versus/NBC/Comcast positioned NBC Sports Network to be the new contender on the block with ESPN for sports broadcast rights in the US.

Their commitment to expand the hockey media market in the US was clearly reflected in the 10 year/$2 billion dollar media deal inked in April between NBC Sports Group and the NHL. The deal was clearly historical for both the NHL and NBC Sports. It basically doubled the number of televised NHL games in their previous NHL broadcast package. Bettman labeled it, "...the most significant U.S. media rights partnership in the leagues history". Why such a monster contract if as Scooby often says, no one watches NHL hockey?

Contrary to what some people think, "...overall NHL television ratings in the United States increased by 84 percent over the last four years, and this year's Winter Classic was the most-watched regular season hockey game in the U.S. in 36 years". More people in the US are tuning into hockey than ever before. Versus boasted its highest regular-season viewership this season, a 17 percent jump over last season. The numbers I saw indicated the NHL was on track to setting a new revenue record of over 2.9 billion dollars.

Bettman and Ebersol's (NBC) vision is to strategically target and catalyze the growth of NHL hockey viewership in key hockey markets throughout the US. Could NBC be persuaded to adopt a vision that includes investing in the college hockey media market generated by the Super League? I tend to think there's a good possibility the SL will get some kind of unprecedented deal worked out. Notre Dame could be halfway in the door of the SL already for all we know.

If bigwigs in hockey and television broadcasting think that additional college hockey broadcasts nationwide are the ticket to expansion of hockey viewing in general, then I'm all for it. Anything that gets more college hockey on television is great by me, but I'm a bit skeptical.

Instead, I'm more afraid this is some sort of brand differentiation move on the part of the moving schools, at the expense of some of the smaller schools in their conferences.

First we had the status quo, then the BTHC conference forms. It's a "new and improved product." Everyone oohs and aahs. Everything else is old, stale and in comparison, not as good.

Now these six programs join forces, and for better or worse (and true or not true) are now joined with the BTHC as being the "haves" of college hockey, leaving behind the "have nots."

From a marketing standpoint, and regardless as to what tv contracts are signed, what cable packages contain what networks, this move would have to be termed an initial success for those teams that have signaled an intent to move. They are, for now, included in the upper echelon of college hockey discussion, far removed from most of the rest of college hockey programs. They have stolen some of the BTHC's thunder. When the two new conferences form, during the same season, everyone in the hockey world will be talking about them jointly, and their joint effect on the rest of college hockey. They won't just be talking about the new BTHC.

Two problems. It comes at a terrible cost to college hockey. Second, since when can you trust marketing people?
 
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This thread seems as good as any to dump these questions.... What did Bemiji pay to enter the WCHA (all at once or over several years?) same for UNO. Lastly, with College Hockey Inc seemingly being a spectator to ALL of this, the schools financing their company have to be questioning that investment-- agree?
 
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Who knows what's going on at College Hockey Inc.

Granted, I'm sure that a lot of the conversations that Paul Kelly has with some athletic departments are of the confidential nature. There might even be non-disclosure agreements involved.
 
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