The new Super League is going down the tubes.

[RaceBoarder]

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certainly not the fans of the teams that get plucked! The rest of us will scream bloody murder.

That's hilarious! (the part about Duluth). Can you imagine the leftovers begging Duluth to let them skate on their "Super League Super Ice"?
....& they could check their pride at the door, in a "Pretty Little Pony" lunchbox.

Crap... Yea, I was just thinking of location, location, and location.... Duluth wouldn't fly

 

[stuckinwi]

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certainly not the fans of the teams that get plucked! The rest of us will scream bloody murder.

I disagree... I'd HATE to see tech go. We'd get raped like usual.... And we would be on the side with the d ouches. We have to stay in a league with the smaller schools to be successful at rebuilding. I just wish was still the good old WCHA we're rebuilding in.

 

[The Rube]

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New conference won't stay at 6. If we pluck 2 more will those fans of the schools still b*****?

At this point, yes. But the smaller/borderline schools now have to do whatever they have to do to survive. If that means latching on somewhere that isn't ideal? So be it. But they would still exist.

 

[darker98]

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At this point, yes. But the smaller/borderline schools now have to do whatever they have to do to survive. If that means latching on somewhere that isn't ideal? So be it. But they would still exist.

That's my point Brent. We felt we got screwed and left after the B1G Mistake. We couldn't hold the league together after Minny and Wisco gone.,

 

[Bakunin]

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So where will the new conference tourneys be held? I'm assuming that due to the distance between schools the Super league and B10 tourneys will be held on campus sites.

The initial format of the B1G will be to have the higher seeds host a best-of-three series in the first round (3 v 6 and 4 v 5 while 1 and 2 get byes). The semifinals and final will be at the top seed's rink (link: http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/123893634.html).

The vast majority of the time, the final three games of the tournament will be at Mariucci, Yost, Kohl, or Munn. I imagine the atmosphere won't be a problem, although it pales in comparison to the years when the Final Five would draw 80,000+ over three days and have 17,000+ attending the championship game (with 19,000+ attending UND-MN tilts).

 

[Bakunin]

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That's my point Brent. We felt we got screwed and left after the B1G Mistake. We couldn't hold the league together after Minny and Wisco gone.

I disagree. A ten-team WCHA with its tournament remaining in St. Paul would still be profitable - not as profitable as it once was, but the take would still be significant for each program. Plus most of the teams in the league would be able to hammer out non-conference agreements with MN and UW to continue playing each other regularly. It could have worked.

Now you've got a far-flung smaller conference and have essentially traded half of the WCHA for Miami (and perhaps later Notre Dame and/or WMU). The new league's tournament will probably wind up in Grand Forks, unless you adopt a format like the B1G has with higher seeds hosting the first round, and the highest seed hosting the semis and final. I don't see how that will trump the money that would have been made in St. Paul (because let's be honest here - how often does UND miss that portion of the conference tournament?).

 

[The Rube]

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That's my point Brent. We felt we got screwed and left after the B1G Mistake. We couldn't hold the league together after Minny and Wisco gone.,

And that's where I disagree. I think you (and the rest of the WCHA) could have maintained. But UND had to invite all the cool kids and start a new conference, basically crapping on the other schools in the CCHA/WCHA. UND/DU would have been (probably) even bigger traditional powerhouses in the WCHA, maintained a respectable revenue, etc. But you had to go and leave, and * over a few others, for minimal gain, at best.

Now, I hate the B1G Mistake just as much as the next guy, and my team is in it. However, I feel that UND (and to a slightly lesser extent DU) acted like complete d-bags when creating this new conference.

 

[darker98]

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Good point fellas, but I don't see that holding on. I'm going to miss playing them, but if the money is not there what can you do?

 

[4four4]

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I got to agree with Brent and Bak here. IMO, there was no reason to leave. This isn't college fb or bb here.

 

[darker98]

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I got to agree with Brent and Bak here. IMO, there was no reason to leave. This isn't college fb or bb here.

In North Dakota it might as well be. You don't know what hockey is to this place.

 

[The Rube]

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Good point fellas, but I don't see that holding on. I'm going to miss playing them, but if the money is not there what can you do?

The money would be there, is what we are saying.

You really think a WCHA tourney w/o MN-WI (probably rotating between St Paul/GF) would make less than a SuperConference tourney that rotates between Denver/GF/Miami/possibly South Bend? Do you really believe that? And that is just for starters. That's the big ticket item, IMO. IIRC this past F5 had about 65K-70K and it was right along with the 10 year average. The following link doesn't have all the info I was looking for, but they do have a total/game average attendance. I will just about guarantee you won't have the same numbers with the super conference, and the super conference will have the same or less than if the WCHA remained as is sans MN/WI. http://www.wcha.com/pdf/mguide0910/Ybk-17-32.pdf

Edit: and I do know what hockey means in GF. I've been there.

 

[darker98]

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The money would be there, is what we are saying.

You really think a WCHA tourney w/o MN-WI (probably rotating between St Paul/GF) would make less than a SuperConference tourney that rotates between Denver/GF/Miami/possibly South Bend? Do you really believe that? And that is just for starters. That's the big ticket item, IMO. IIRC this past F5 had about 65K-70K and it was right along with the 10 year average. The following link doesn't have all the info I was looking for, but they do have a total/game average attendance. I will just about guarantee you won't have the same numbers with the super conference, and the super conference will have the same or less than if the WCHA remained as is sans MN/WI. http://www.wcha.com/pdf/mguide0910/Ybk-17-32.pdf

Edit: and I do know what hockey means in GF. I've been there.

Per your brethren, you guys buy up all the tickets with packages. They will no longer show up. I want to keep it, but I don't see it working out.

 

[The Rube]

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Per your brethren, you guys buy up all the tickets with packages. They will no longer show up. I want to keep it, but I don't see it working out.

And this past year, with MN and WI out of it, we still showed up. I knew the situation before I bought this year's tickets. Still showed. Many others are in that same boat. It's an occasion in addition to an actual hockey event. eg: "Hm, haven't seen so and so for a while....oh, the F5 is in St Paul, they'll be there, we can catch up at the tailgate." Don't get me wrong, it's all about the hockey. BUT, it's one of those things you look forward to socially also.

And if UND/DU stayed in the WCHA....chances are the attendance would have been the same, or close to it, as last year.

 

[darker98]

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I hear ya Brent. I go to Maple Grove once a year. I'll buy ya a drink one of these days.
Are you going to show up when we are not in the same league?

 

[The Rube]

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I hear ya Brent. I go to Maple Grove once a year. I'll buy ya a drink one of these days.
Are you going to show up when we are not in the same league?

Depends on my mood. And that is an honest answer.

 

[darker98]

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Depends on my mood. And that is an honest answer.

my boy lives in Minneapolis so i have alternatives. I will buy you one though.

 

[ecbrevik]

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Also, it seems that as upset as Gopher/Badger fans were about the BTHC forming is as excited as Sioux/Pioneer fans are about the Super League forming. We mourn the loss of the WCHA, you pee on its grave.

Why is it so hard to Sioux and Pios fans to get this very simple thing?

Show me all these Sioux fans who are all excited about this new Super Conference? I have seen Sioux fans stating that this is necessary after losing Minnesota and Wisconsin to the B10, but that's just them stating what they see as the reality of the situation, not excitment over leaving. I've seen several Sioux fans refer to how they don't like this change on posts on this board over the last couple of days. I have yet to see one who is bubbling over with excitment about it. There is probably someone out there who is, but I have yet to find them.

We are in the same boat that Gopher/Badger fans were in a couple months ago. Our school has made a choice that many of us aren't happy with. We can speak against it, we can feel bad for the schools left behind, the rivalries lost, the history being walked away from. But we can't change it. That doesn't mean we are excited about it.

 

[Bakunin]

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Per your brethren, you guys buy up all the tickets with packages. They will no longer show up. I want to keep it, but I don't see it working out.

Seems like the sensible thing to do would be to continue as-is for a couple years or so post-B1G formation to see what kind of revenue is generated (both by the F5 and by the B1G).

 

[siouxinminny]

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The logical name for the new league with UND, UMD, DU, CC, et al is

... DRUM ROLL ...

Hockey West

 

[siouxinminny]

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The Fargo Forum had a good story about the reasons behind the new league, Hockey West (see prior post). With the departure of Minnesota and Wisconsin, the votes of the remaining WCHA schools tipped in favor of the small-budget schools. That was unacceptable to the larger-budget schools who saw austerity on the horizon. There was also some angst about Bruce McLeod expressed. By forming Hockey West, those 2 problems go away. It's too bad the remaining schools get to keep the name WCHA since it is a great brand and will be missed. I, for one, hope Hockey West will stay at 8 schools so we can get a healthy portion of non-conference games against the likes of Hockey East, the ECAC and the Big6 (sounds like a lottery game).