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The FIFA World Cup Thread (Spoilers Welcome)

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How do you they should change it? Just asking not saying it's perfect the way it is.

I wouldn't mind seeing a straight seeded tournament. I know part of the fun is the Group of Death, but the groups they come up with aren't half bad either.

Day 7 is upon us.
Socceroos vs the Dutch
Chile vs Spain
Cameroon vs Croatia

Unfortunately for Australia, they're going to get beat up the next two games, unless Spain completely collapses. It'll be interesting to see how Chile goes up against the Spanish, because they were dominate against the Aussies but didn't quite blow them away. We'll see if Spain can bounce back. And the last game of the day is our first game where either team could be eliminated. Unless they tie.

New Rule: Everyone shut up about cheering.
 
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That's why I don't want things messed with. The World Cup seems to be at a pretty good state. The only real change that needs to be made is how teams are distributed into Pots for the Draw.

(Sorry in advance for the long post)

Agreed. As we discussed before, I believe that if expansion is a must then FIFA should go with 36 teams. Then, they could go with 6 groups of 6 teams. The top two in each group advance plus the four best third place teams.

Advantages:
- Less likelihood of a true group of death, assuming that FIFA properly pots teams (probably not a fair assumption)
- The best teams should advance to the Knockout Stages, as 5 games/group gives teams room to slip up in any one particular game, yet still manage a top 2-3 spot to advance.
- The final game of group stage play would see each team in the group play, and at the same time

Disadvantages:
- 48 extra group stage games. Currently, the group stage lasts 15 days. To fit the extra games into 15 days (and assuming the hosts play alone on Day 1), that would require 6-7 games/day...not going to happen. Realistically, you could have ~4 games/day for the first four rounds of group play. That would take 19 days. Then you could do two groups/day (i.e. 6 games) on the final 3 days to wrap it up in 22 days, or an extra week. Compared with 8 groups of 5 teams (in the hypothetical 40 team WC), there would still be an extra 10 games in this scenario, but probably wouldn't add any extra time to the Cup.

Assuming that the reason for expansion would be to ensure teams from every confederation get at least a spot, then I would assume that the OFC's 0.5 would get bumped up to 1 full spot. I would also bump each of the remaining half spots up to full spots. That would result in the following:

Host - 1 spot
AFC - 5 spots
CAF - 5 spots
CONCACAF - 4 spots
CONMEBOL - 5 spots
OFC - 1 spot
UEFA - 13 spots
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Total - 34 spots

That would leave 2 extra spots to be spread throughout the confederations. I don't see OFC getting any more than 1 spot, so they are out of the running. CONMEBOL looks pretty set at 5 spots as well (no need to send more than half the countries in a confederation). There is no way that UEFA doesn't benefit from expansion, so they get 1 of the extra spots. Then what to do about the 1 extra spot and AFC, CAF, and CONCACAF? My guess would be that Africa would get the extra spot, so we'd have something like this:

Host - 1 spot
AFC - 5 spots
CAF - 6 spots
CONCACAF - 4 spots
CONMEBOL- 5 spots
OFC - 1 spot
UEFA - 14 spots
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Total - 36 spots

Another option would be to have the CAF at 5 spots, and give the extra spot back to the defending champion.

Now that we have our 36 teams, how should we go about seeding and the draw? There are a lot of different options, but I would go with something where everyone gets seeded 1-35. Then you have six pots. Teams #1-5 (host would get Group A) are in Pot 1, #6-11 in Pot #2, #12-17 in Pot #3, #18-23 in Pot #4, #24-29 in Pot #5, and #30-35 in Pot #6. Then I would have a rule where no more than 3 teams from UEFA could be in any one group, and no more than 1 team from confederations that have 5 or fewer spots. Obviously, there are other options that work better than this, but I like this option better than the current way the draw is done.
 
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Anyone else wondering if Russia's equalizer was offsides?

Looked good to me. And even if he was an eyelash off, that's not something you can really complain about. Too difficult to get that right.

Having any system where all the teams can't play their last group matches at the same time is bad. See West Germany vs Austria 1982 or Argentina vs Chile 1978.

In this day and age though, the players on the field know the score of the other game at all times. Makes it a little different at least.
 
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Looked good to me. And even if he was an eyelash off, that's not something you can really complain about. Too difficult to get that right.



In this day and age though, the players on the field know the score of the other game at all times. Makes it a little different at least.

They do... But at the same time, you don't have teams just rolling along for 85'... Look at Mexico qualifying this year... They knew that the US put them in, but that was with under 10 minutes to go... Different scenario...
 
Schwandro Peres! *** kind of horse shjt Brazilian name simulator is this, how on earth do I get 2 names? Also I would love to have to hear announcers have to say something that craptastic about 600 times.

Schwandro,

You just have to pronounce it correctly :)
 
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The Watch ESPN app had an amazing 1.4 million viewing the USA-GHA match online in the United States. That brings total viewers for ESPN/Univision to 17.2 million people.
 
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Like stated, a straight seeded tournament. Confederation based seeding doesn't anything but screw teams like the US, Japan, and Australia.

I think I posted it in the other thread...there was an article...I think in the NY Times about a different system where there would be 8 pots of 4 teams where each pot was done with 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, etc. or as close to that as possible to still allow the confederation breakup.

Pot 1 - 1, 2, 3, 4
Pot 4 - 13, 14, 15, 16
Pot 5 - 17, 18, 19, 20
Pot 8 - 29, 30, 31, 32

Pot 2 - 5, 6, 7, 8
Pot 3 - 9, 10, 11, 12
Pot 6 - 21, 22, 23, 24
Pot 7 - 25, 26, 27, 28

So based on world ranking, the pots would be as above, a team from pot 1,4,5,8 would be a group, etc. You would start out by drawing teams into groups from pot 1, once that is done, you do a draw to determine which of the possible formats based on composition of Pots 4, 5, 8 will be used to keep confederations apart. Then you fill in those 4 groups based on slots available. Then you place pot 2 into groups either based on a draw or based on matching 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5...then repeat as above.
 
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Rumor on Twitter is circulating that CR7 will miss the US match on Sunday. Someone please confirm this!

ETA: Rumor started in press covering the World Cup. Rumor is he is out for the entire World Cup.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/18/portuguese-doctor-tells-cristiano-ronaldo-playing-with-knee-injury-could-be-career-threatening/?utm_source=FB%20-%20NBC%20Sports%20-%20NBC%20Sports%20Soccer&utm_network=facebook&utm_post=2803940&utm_tags=

Wow.
 
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I think I posted it in the other thread...there was an article...I think in the NY Times about a different system where there would be 8 pots of 4 teams where each pot was done with 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, etc. or as close to that as possible to still allow the confederation breakup.

Pot 1 - 1, 2, 3, 4
Pot 4 - 13, 14, 15, 16
Pot 5 - 17, 18, 19, 20
Pot 8 - 29, 30, 31, 32

Pot 2 - 5, 6, 7, 8
Pot 3 - 9, 10, 11, 12
Pot 6 - 21, 22, 23, 24
Pot 7 - 25, 26, 27, 28

So based on world ranking, the pots would be as above, a team from pot 1,4,5,8 would be a group, etc. You would start out by drawing teams into groups from pot 1, once that is done, you do a draw to determine which of the possible formats based on composition of Pots 4, 5, 8 will be used to keep confederations apart. Then you fill in those 4 groups based on slots available. Then you place pot 2 into groups either based on a draw or based on matching 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5...then repeat as above.

Here is the NYT post:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...cup-draw-simulation.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0
 
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Rumor on Twitter is circulating that CR7 will miss the US match on Sunday. Someone please confirm this!

ETA: Rumor started in press covering the World Cup. Rumor is he is out for the entire World Cup.

All I have is what you've probably seen - Ewan MacKenna @EwanMacKenna:
Rumours - unconfirmed may I add - here in press centres in Brazil that Cristiano Ronaldo is out of the World Cup.
 
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