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The definitive tournament speculation thread
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I think the west would have to have two play-in games. I just can't see the committee putting MCHA team X straight into the QF's. Fair to SNC and CSS, no, but I fear that would happen.
I think the west would have to have two play-in games. I just can't see the committee putting MCHA team X straight into the QF's. Fair to SNC and CSS, no, but I fear that would happen.
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Actually, the presence of Adrian as a swing team allows for the top 3 national seeds all to get byes through the first round. As far a Josh not liking Elmira/Oswego as a possibility - Oswego needs to dispose of Elmira at some point. I don't think as long as the top teams all have the same number of games to play to win the title, that it matters that much if a particular matchup happens in the quarters, semis, or finals. Ultimately, if you can't win a QF game, you aren't champs. If you don't win a semi, you aren't champs, if you don't win the NC game, you aren't champs. Doesn't really matter when you lose, it's if. Giving Adrian a bye and Norwich not is just wrong because that first round game increases the possibility for injuries, fatigue, and bad luck. That's the advantage that a team should get for having an exemplary season, not necessarily getting an "easy" quarterfinal.
Actually, the presence of Adrian as a swing team allows for the top 3 national seeds all to get byes through the first round. As far a Josh not liking Elmira/Oswego as a possibility - Oswego needs to dispose of Elmira at some point. I don't think as long as the top teams all have the same number of games to play to win the title, that it matters that much if a particular matchup happens in the quarters, semis, or finals. Ultimately, if you can't win a QF game, you aren't champs. If you don't win a semi, you aren't champs, if you don't win the NC game, you aren't champs. Doesn't really matter when you lose, it's if. Giving Adrian a bye and Norwich not is just wrong because that first round game increases the possibility for injuries, fatigue, and bad luck. That's the advantage that a team should get for having an exemplary season, not necessarily getting an "easy" quarterfinal.
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Josh Carey
Stats Guy
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No matter how the bracket is created, it sucks.
No matter how the bracket is created, it sucks.
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Except for the "just for fun" bracket, which will happen as soon as, never mind ...
Except for the "just for fun" bracket, which will happen as soon as, never mind ...
Matthew Webb
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Bingo, which is why I think it's exactly what we'll see if Adrian is in.
Bingo, which is why I think it's exactly what we'll see if Adrian is in.
nysportsfan29
Repping The 'Sweeg in JC
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With Norwich's loss, does that automatically lock Oswego in to the top seed in the East provided they win out the regular season?
For instance, if Oswego were to lose in the SUNYAC semis after winning out the regular season they would have a 24-2 record. Obviously if they lost in the finals they'd be 25-2. If Norwich were to win out, including the ECAC East championship they would have a 22-1-4 record.
So back to my original question, if Oswego beats Morrisville, Brockport, and Geneseo, are they a lock for #1 in the East?
With Norwich's loss, does that automatically lock Oswego in to the top seed in the East provided they win out the regular season?
For instance, if Oswego were to lose in the SUNYAC semis after winning out the regular season they would have a 24-2 record. Obviously if they lost in the finals they'd be 25-2. If Norwich were to win out, including the ECAC East championship they would have a 22-1-4 record.
So back to my original question, if Oswego beats Morrisville, Brockport, and Geneseo, are they a lock for #1 in the East?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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Probably. Depending on who they lose to would be a big factor most likely.
Also depends if any of the ECAC East teams can actually get decent records and make Norwich's wins in the ECAC east tournament mean something.
Probably. Depending on who they lose to would be a big factor most likely.
Also depends if any of the ECAC East teams can actually get decent records and make Norwich's wins in the ECAC east tournament mean something.
Matt Rennell
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Aside from that, I do not feel is really matters what they are "ranked" aside from bracket layout. You can pretty much take it to the bank that Oswego will be playing the winner for Adrian @ Elmira.
Aside from that, I do not feel is really matters what they are "ranked" aside from bracket layout. You can pretty much take it to the bank that Oswego will be playing the winner for Adrian @ Elmira.
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Although if Oswego wins out the regular season they're gauranteed to have a better record than anyone else and to hold or at worst tie common opponents over the rest of the east (at least for midd and norwich, not 100% sure about everyone else.)
Funny thing about the criteria is that it would be much better for Oswego to lose to someone like geneseo than to plattsburgh. A loss to an unranked team doesn't matter much while a loss to a ranked plattsburgh team that's a common opponent to several other likely tournament teams could have ripple effects.
Although if Oswego wins out the regular season they're gauranteed to have a better record than anyone else and to hold or at worst tie common opponents over the rest of the east (at least for midd and norwich, not 100% sure about everyone else.)
nysportsfan29
Repping The 'Sweeg in JC
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I figured as much. A tough draw either way for the Lakers. Now that that the MCHA has the AQ, I would assume that this matchup is pretty much a lock to happen whenever these teams make it to the NCAAs.
Do you have any examples of this? Prognosticating situations like these are not my strong points. I still have a hard time figuring out how this selection process works... It'd be nice if they simplified it.
I figured as much. A tough draw either way for the Lakers. Now that that the MCHA has the AQ, I would assume that this matchup is pretty much a lock to happen whenever these teams make it to the NCAAs.
Do you have any examples of this? Prognosticating situations like these are not my strong points. I still have a hard time figuring out how this selection process works... It'd be nice if they simplified it.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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Yes and no.
Depends on the splits each year and who else makes the tournament.
St. Norbert and Stevens Point are also with-in the travel distance as well.
Yes and no.
Depends on the splits each year and who else makes the tournament.
St. Norbert and Stevens Point are also with-in the travel distance as well.
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So are Fredonia, Buffalo State, Genesseo, and LVC. Of course, we know that two of those are ineligible, and the last one is not going to the playoffs, but Fredonia could surprise the world, and if they did, I'm sure that's where Adrian would go.
I think there are more Eastern teams within 500 miles of Adrian than there are midWestern teams.
So are Fredonia, Buffalo State, Genesseo, and LVC. Of course, we know that two of those are ineligible, and the last one is not going to the playoffs, but Fredonia could surprise the world, and if they did, I'm sure that's where Adrian would go.
I think there are more Eastern teams within 500 miles of Adrian than there are midWestern teams.
elbojpb
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Should Adrian lose in the Eastern play-in round in scenario A, it also allows for the committee to have to fly only one team to LP. I'm not saying that money would sway the decisions of such an austere, but I wouldn't bet against it either.
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Yeah, and you will also claim that 2010 still in the last decade.
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Here's my stab at it:
The field:
(NU Prof's computer rank)
Pool A (Current league leaders, NESCAC could be Amherst or Bowdoin)
Oswego (1)
Norwich (2)
St. Norbert (3)
Williams (6)
Gustavus (10)
Wentworth (13)
Adrian (19)
Pool B (Highest ranked Pool B team)
Elmira (7)
Pool C (Highest ranked not in Pool A)
Plattsburgh (4)
St. Scholastica (5)
Middlebury (8)
Notes: Middlebury still hangs around on my measures, and edges out Amherst for the last Pool C. If this were the field, Amherst would be the only team in my top 10 that would be left out.
Seedings
E1 Oswego
E2 Norwich
E3 Plattsburgh
E4 Williams
E5 Elmira
E6 Middlebury
E7 Wentworth
W1 St. Norbert
W2 St. Scholastica
W3 Gustavus
W4 Adrian
Assuming Adrian to the East we would have
W4 Adrian at E5 Elmira - winner to E1 Oswego
W3 Gustavus at W2 St. Scholastica - winner to W1 St. Norbert
E7 Wentworth at E6 Middlebury - winner to Norwich
E5 Williams at E4 Plattsburgh
Here's my stab at it:
The field:
(NU Prof's computer rank)
Pool A (Current league leaders, NESCAC could be Amherst or Bowdoin)
Oswego (1)
Norwich (2)
St. Norbert (3)
Williams (6)
Gustavus (10)
Wentworth (13)
Adrian (19)
Pool B (Highest ranked Pool B team)
Elmira (7)
Pool C (Highest ranked not in Pool A)
Plattsburgh (4)
St. Scholastica (5)
Middlebury (8)
Notes: Middlebury still hangs around on my measures, and edges out Amherst for the last Pool C. If this were the field, Amherst would be the only team in my top 10 that would be left out.
Seedings
E1 Oswego
E2 Norwich
E3 Plattsburgh
E4 Williams
E5 Elmira
E6 Middlebury
E7 Wentworth
W1 St. Norbert
W2 St. Scholastica
W3 Gustavus
W4 Adrian
Assuming Adrian to the East we would have
W4 Adrian at E5 Elmira - winner to E1 Oswego
W3 Gustavus at W2 St. Scholastica - winner to W1 St. Norbert
E7 Wentworth at E6 Middlebury - winner to Norwich
E5 Williams at E4 Plattsburgh
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Nice job man, I agree with pretty much all of this. IF Plattsburgh held a Quarterfinal game at home...that would be awesome! Wait a second! The winner of the Williams at Plattsburgh game would go straight to Placid. That wouldn't work.
Nice job man, I agree with pretty much all of this. IF Plattsburgh held a Quarterfinal game at home...that would be awesome! Wait a second! The winner of the Williams at Plattsburgh game would go straight to Placid. That wouldn't work.
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Please tell me you're joking and that my BS meter is broken.
Please tell me you're joking and that my BS meter is broken.
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