The definitive tournament speculation thread

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Good stuff Prof. Quick question, did you mean to switch the seedings of Elmira and Plattsburgh (seedings has Platty at 3, game has them at 4)?

In the Adrian in the East Bracket, he has them BOTH as E3, and he failed to label Amherst as E5.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Is there anyway Elmira can get a bye through the play-in round if they win out?

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Is there anyway Elmira can get a bye through the play-in round if they win out?

After 2 years of Adrian getting screwed, they are now the ones pitching instead of receiving... and the Soaring Eagles will likely be the recipient of that screwing.

 

[NUProf]

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Is there anyway Elmira can get a bye through the play-in round if they win out?

Highly unlikely - if bracketing were fair, yes, but in the Adrian West scenario, only one East team gets a bye and that would probably be OSW or NRW. In the Adrian East scenario, Adrian would have to go to either ELM or OSW for a first round game. That's how the 500 mile rule works. Can you imagine the complaints if the NCAA enforced a 500 mile rule for the first rounds of the DI sneakerball tournament?

 

[joecct]

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Highly unlikely - if bracketing were fair, yes, but in the Adrian West scenario, only one East team gets a bye and that would probably be OSW or NRW. In the Adrian East scenario, Adrian would have to go to either ELM or OSW for a first round game. That's how the 500 mile rule works. Can you imagine the complaints if the NCAA enforced a 500 mile rule for the first rounds of the DI sneakerball tournament?

The D1 big boys do have the 400(!) mile rule - except that means you fly instead of taking the bus. D1 is a "national" tournament. D-III is "regional". (SIGH!)

I suppose that Adrian COULD fly to Burlington to play Norwich. After all, to the NCAA, a flight is a flight, no matter how long/short it is. The odds of that happening also involve the other Pool B conference getting a bid.

Prof -- other scenario -- All 3 Pool C are in the East AND Adrian gets shipped East. Then you get a 9/2 split.

 

[NUProf]

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The D1 big boys do have the 400(!) mile rule - except that means you fly instead of taking the bus. D1 is a "national" tournament. D-III is "regional". (SIGH!)

That's a bit (lot) different, of course. Imagine the hubbub if an addendum were added to that 400 mile rule that said "the tournament shall be bracketed to minimize the number of flights." Of course that would eliminate some of the idiotic terminology from that tournament - like Georgetown, or Duke, or whoever being in the Western Region while Washington is in the Eastern region If it is a national tournament, don't talk about regions - name them with colors or numbers, but East, West, etc. is silly

I suppose that Adrian COULD fly to Burlington to play Norwich. After all, to the NCAA, a flight is a flight, no matter how long/short it is. The odds of that happening also involve the other Pool B conference getting a bid.

The odds of a bid going to the MASCAC are not very good. Until one of the teams in that loop lost their goalie there was a slim chance that they could have gotten in based on early season results.

Prof -- other scenario -- All 3 Pool C are in the East AND Adrian gets shipped East. Then you get a 9/2 split.

That's not going to happen unless CSS or SNB melts down at the end, and the non-meltee wins the NCHA. I think that the NCHA most certainly will get one of the Pool C bids.

 

[nysportsfan29]

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It would be a complete joke if Adrian were to receive a first round bye. I know that NUprof and Josh have both scenarios playing out, but realistically, what are the chances of 4 west teams getting a bye? I have to think it's more likely, at this point in time at least, that Adrian goes east. What do you think the NCAA thinks?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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It would be a complete joke if Adrian were to receive a first round bye. I know that NUprof and Josh have both scenarios playing out, but realistically, what are the chances of 4 west teams getting a bye? I have to think it's more likely, at this point in time at least, that Adrian goes east. What do you think the NCAA thinks?

The NCAA thinks "give us the least costliest scenario to run this tournament. Screw everything else including bracket integrity, fairness, etc."

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[NUProf]

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It would be a complete joke if Adrian were to receive a first round bye. I know that NUprof and Josh have both scenarios playing out, but realistically, what are the chances of 4 west teams getting a bye? I have to think it's more likely, at this point in time at least, that Adrian goes east. What do you think the NCAA thinks?

Distances - Adrian, MI to Green Bay, WI 427 miles
Adrian, MI to Elmira, NY 458 miles

As far as travel is concerned, it is essentially the same distance.

I think that given the NCAA having not been fair to the West for a long time, it would be consistent for them to return the favor to the East for a few years. I hope not - Adrian hasn't earned a bye - if they'd won one of their "big 3" games, a case could have been made for it, but they didn't. Do the belong in the tournament, yes, just as much as Curry/Wentworth. Do they deserve a first round bye, no, about the same as Curry/Wentworth.

 

[mjbeckman]

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Question: with the Adrian sent East scenario, the winner of that game would play Oswego in the QFs. Both potential matchups would be rematches, and in the case of Elmira, it would be a 4th meeting between the two schools.

Does the NCAA ever take pains to avoid a rematch like that until the Frozen Four? I imagine they would do that for a conference foes (there is a possibility that Plattsburgh and Oswego could meet for a fourth time in lake Placid after a likely SUNYAC title tilt). But would that also come into play for non-conference foes?

 

[NUProf]

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Question: with the Adrian sent East scenario, the winner of that game would play Oswego in the QFs. Both potential matchups would be rematches, and in the case of Elmira, it would be a 4th meeting between the two schools.

Does the NCAA ever take pains to avoid a rematch like that until the Frozen Four? I imagine they would do that for a conference foes (there is a possibility that Plattsburgh and Oswego could meet for a fourth time in lake Placid after a likely SUNYAC title tilt). But would that also come into play for non-conference foes?

No, they don't worry about that at all. They don't even worry about conference rematches. The 500 mile rule trumps everything, and Adrian/Elmira winner to Oswego works just fine.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Question: with the Adrian sent East scenario, the winner of that game would play Oswego in the QFs. Both potential matchups would be rematches, and in the case of Elmira, it would be a 4th meeting between the two schools.

Does the NCAA ever take pains to avoid a rematch like that until the Frozen Four? I imagine they would do that for a conference foes (there is a possibility that Plattsburgh and Oswego could meet for a fourth time in lake Placid after a likely SUNYAC title tilt). But would that also come into play for non-conference foes?

Elmira and Neumann played each other six times last year

3 conference games, Times Argus consolation, ECAC West semifinals, NCAA play-in game.

I'm starting to think that even if Elmira somehow gets to the #2 spot in the East that the Adrian/Elmira play-in winner to Oswego match-up is all but set in stone.

Brutal for Elmira and Oswego to have to deal with that but money is all that matters and unfortunately that's what makes the most sense from that standpoint.

Adrian = last year's Neumann?

Very similar set-up to last year's run...

 

[Matthew Webb]

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I'll just get it out of the way now: If Adrian wins the MCHA AQ...they will go East.

Why? Because I said so.

 

[Matthew Webb]

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What would be comical is if Adrian didn't win the MCHA AQ. Then, odds are that two QF's will be out here, which is unwarranted based on the collective results of the East-West games this season (regardless of the small sample size).

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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What would be comical is if Adrian didn't win the MCHA AQ. Then, odds are that two QF's will be out here, which is unwarranted based on the collective results of the East-West games this season (regardless of the small sample size).

Would it though?

Travel wise....the NCAA would only have to fly one team if they wanted if they had two play-in games in the west and then the winners meeting in a quarterfinal game.

Thats the least costliest for the NCAA and after flying two teams last year and the fact that the women's tournament is all but offically going west this year (meaning atleast two and more than likely three eastern teams will have to be flown west), cost may rule the day again and the west will continue to get screwed putting St. Norbert or CSS in a play-in game.

 

[jerrynu26]

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I'm just happy the NCAA is scheduling the games so that the maxium amount of partying can occur after the championship!

 

[RC_Nemesis]

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This thread is bunk. We all know Adrian is gonna be natty champs anyways. Why discuss the inevitable?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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This thread is bunk. We all know Adrian is gonna be natty champs anyways. Why discuss the inevitable?

I think RIT has a pretty good shot.

 

[NUProf]

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Would it though?

Travel wise....the NCAA would only have to fly one team if they wanted if they had two play-in games in the west and then the winners meeting in a quarterfinal game.

I hadn't even considered the possibility of all 5 byes in the East. So NCAAish, and indeed possible.

I think last year I suggested that when the tournament expanded to 11, and Webb said something about his head exploding. I know it's extreme, but if only the teams could be seeded 1-11. Then the first 5 teams get byes. The first 4 get home ice in the quarters, and otherwise 11 plays at 6, 10 plays at 7 and 9 plays at 8.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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I hadn't even considered the possibility of all 5 byes in the East. So NCAAish, and indeed possible.

I think last year I suggested that when the tournament expanded to 11, and Webb said something about his head exploding. I know it's extreme, but if only the teams could be seeded 1-11. Then the first 5 teams get byes. The first 4 get home ice in the quarters, and otherwise 11 plays at 6, 10 plays at 7 and 9 plays at 8.

If Plattsburgh wins out and beats Oswego in the SUNYAC finals you could make a case for Elmira (assuming they lose maybe once more), Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, and probably Amherst/Middlebury all getting the first round byes, especially if Adrian isn't the MCHA team.

I wish that was the case too Prof...wouldn't that make life so much easier?