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The Abortion Debate. Again.
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
It certainly leads to BJs. Not sure if that's sodomy.
Abstinence leads to sodomy?
It certainly leads to BJs. Not sure if that's sodomy.
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Think of this -- if everyone was 100% monagamous, would we have sexually transmitted diseases?
Not me, I go to Costco.
Think of this -- if everyone was 100% monagamous, would we have sexually transmitted diseases?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
If everyone were 100% abstinent we could wipe out cancer in our lifetime.
If everyone were 100% abstinent we could wipe out cancer in our lifetime.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
If you arent married who do you need to be monogamous to? So no we couldnt wipe out STDs nice try though
Not me, I go to Costco.
Think of this -- if everyone was 100% monagamous, would we have sexually transmitted diseases?
If you arent married who do you need to be monogamous to? So no we couldnt wipe out STDs nice try though
Rimbaud
New member
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Silly, you can't have sex before you're married!
If you arent married who do you need to be monogamous to? So no we couldnt wipe out STDs nice try though
Silly, you can't have sex before you're married!
leswp1
New member
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
HPV is transmitted without actual intercourse, can be transmitted on inanimate fomites. Next?
Not me, I go to Costco.
Think of this -- if everyone was 100% monagamous, would we have sexually transmitted diseases?
HPV is transmitted without actual intercourse, can be transmitted on inanimate fomites. Next?
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
In my world, if you don't ever get married, you will never have sex.
I seriously doubt people would get married just to have sex because of the legal ramifications of marriage, or more specifically the legal ramifications of divorce.
I think it is perfectly feasible in the modern day. It just takes some self control and dedication to ones's values. I think you appreciate it more if you wait until you tie the knot. It means so much more than just the act when it's done in the context of unconditional love in a marriage and not with some drunk chick from MI Tech in the backseat who you will never see again (or want to). The problem is the vast majority of the modern day folks simply want it all now. But it's nothing that is impossible to accomplish (no premarital sex), you just have to want to accomplish it. It's really not that hard.
In my world, if you don't ever get married, you will never have sex.
I seriously doubt people would get married just to have sex because of the legal ramifications of marriage, or more specifically the legal ramifications of divorce.
I think it is perfectly feasible in the modern day. It just takes some self control and dedication to ones's values. I think you appreciate it more if you wait until you tie the knot. It means so much more than just the act when it's done in the context of unconditional love in a marriage and not with some drunk chick from MI Tech in the backseat who you will never see again (or want to). The problem is the vast majority of the modern day folks simply want it all now. But it's nothing that is impossible to accomplish (no premarital sex), you just have to want to accomplish it. It's really not that hard.
nmupiccdiva
New member
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Here's an idea--keep it in your pants. If you absolutely can't, then wrap it up. C'mon, it's not rocket science.
Here's an idea--keep it in your pants. If you absolutely can't, then wrap it up. C'mon, it's not rocket science.
Twitch Boy
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Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Oh, if only there were some middle ground between virgin marriage and drunken back-seat sex. What a pity that mature adults who aren't married can never have mutually satisfying, healthy, respectful sexual relationships...
Oh, if only there were some middle ground between virgin marriage and drunken back-seat sex. What a pity that mature adults who aren't married can never have mutually satisfying, healthy, respectful sexual relationships...
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Are you married? If so when? I only ask because I am 29 and have no prospects to get married anytime soon. I don't think I should be hindered from having sex just because I haven't found "The One" yet if such a person exists. (this is where someone would take a potshot at me, I am hoping they refrain because I am trying to be serious here)
I am not attacking you or anything I understand your opinion and it makes sense from your point of view. The problem is that you are assuming that it is everyone's ultimate goal to get married and have children and that just isnt the case. Should they have to live a life of celibacy just because they don't hold the same life's vision as average person?
Are you married? If so when? I only ask because I am 29 and have no prospects to get married anytime soon. I don't think I should be hindered from having sex just because I haven't found "The One" yet if such a person exists. (this is where someone would take a potshot at me, I am hoping they refrain because I am trying to be serious here)
I am not attacking you or anything I understand your opinion and it makes sense from your point of view. The problem is that you are assuming that it is everyone's ultimate goal to get married and have children and that just isnt the case. Should they have to live a life of celibacy just because they don't hold the same life's vision as average person?
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
Are you sure you don't mean NMU?
This "really not that hard" would make more sense if the pro-life crowd wasn't also the same people who frowned on self abuse. Remember what Woody Allen said, it's sex with someone you love!
Are you sure you don't mean NMU?
This "really not that hard" would make more sense if the pro-life crowd wasn't also the same people who frowned on self abuse. Remember what Woody Allen said, it's sex with someone you love!
ScottM
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duper
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Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
I'm not sure whether this last paragraph is condescending, or out of touch, or both. Dedication to one's values? So, you seem to be assuming that anyone who has values has values that are similar to yours. I know anecdotal evidence does not an argument make, but I have an uncle who has lived with the same woman since somewhere between 1985 and 1990. They are not married. According to your worldview, they should never have had sex.
Not to mention, most of my friends would not have sex with someone that they were not in a committed relationship with, but a whole lot of people just don't share your views of sex and marriage. And I don't think the world is necessarily poorer for it.
I'm not sure whether this last paragraph is condescending, or out of touch, or both. Dedication to one's values? So, you seem to be assuming that anyone who has values has values that are similar to yours. I know anecdotal evidence does not an argument make, but I have an uncle who has lived with the same woman since somewhere between 1985 and 1990. They are not married. According to your worldview, they should never have had sex.
Not to mention, most of my friends would not have sex with someone that they were not in a committed relationship with, but a whole lot of people just don't share your views of sex and marriage. And I don't think the world is necessarily poorer for it.
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unh_hockey
pain is temporary pride is forever
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
I don't want to accomplish waiting until marriage for sex. at the same time, I don't expect all good things to happen at once, which is where there is dating and an actual courting process you so conveniently missed; the world isn't binary . Not all of us go around hooking up with girls like rabbits.
To the people who wait, good for you. I have a measure of respect for suppressing millions of years of primal instinct part of your adult hood. At the same time, I will continue to (safely of course) enjoy my late 20's and early 30's unmarried and without a ping of guilt.
I don't want to accomplish waiting until marriage for sex. at the same time, I don't expect all good things to happen at once, which is where there is dating and an actual courting process you so conveniently missed; the world isn't binary . Not all of us go around hooking up with girls like rabbits.
To the people who wait, good for you. I have a measure of respect for suppressing millions of years of primal instinct part of your adult hood. At the same time, I will continue to (safely of course) enjoy my late 20's and early 30's unmarried and without a ping of guilt.
leswp1
New member
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
It seems pretty simplistic to just say that if sex occured within marriage then this would be a non-issue. I don't think this is all about morality altho a good portion could be argued as such. Arguing about whether sex should or shouldn't have occured is a moot point. If a woman is at the point of deciding about whether abortion is her choice or not pregnancy has occured.
There are enough instances where pregnancy occurs despite birth control in bad situations. I have seen pregnancy in a virginal woman (the addage that sperm can swim far is true altho I must admit I have seen it only once). There are situations where the woman is at physical risk from her partner because she is pregnant. There are situations where pregnancy imperils the woman either physically or psychologically if she continues it. There are instances where the fetus is known not to be viable even though the pregnancy is continuing. All this can occur within marriage or out of it. Some of these situations may not be morally right but they are real.
Whatever morality you ascribe to these situations do not go away. Our current system does not have a failproof answer to taking care of either the woman or the child if there are no choices. In a perfect world we would have answers but in our current world we do not.
I have no idea whether it is right to have an abortion. In my experiences (you may have different ones) the woman making the choice does so after a great deal of thought and it is the least bad choice. I could be lucky in my patient population but the stereotype of a woman just having an abortion as birth control is pretty unusual. I think I have encountered it maybe 2-3 times in 20+ years.
Maybe instead of arguing whether it is right to have access to abortion we should be working on it's prevention- education regarding how pregnancy can occur and how to prevent it (and that no method is failproof), support if adoption is considered (this for some reason is totally out of favor), prevention of domestic violence and protection from it if it occurs. Education from an early age to break the cycle of acceptance of early coitarchy...to name a few. Look at the 'stupid' Europeans who have significantly less problem with this. They must be doing something right.
Awfully early for a rant but there it is.....
It seems pretty simplistic to just say that if sex occured within marriage then this would be a non-issue. I don't think this is all about morality altho a good portion could be argued as such. Arguing about whether sex should or shouldn't have occured is a moot point. If a woman is at the point of deciding about whether abortion is her choice or not pregnancy has occured.
There are enough instances where pregnancy occurs despite birth control in bad situations. I have seen pregnancy in a virginal woman (the addage that sperm can swim far is true altho I must admit I have seen it only once). There are situations where the woman is at physical risk from her partner because she is pregnant. There are situations where pregnancy imperils the woman either physically or psychologically if she continues it. There are instances where the fetus is known not to be viable even though the pregnancy is continuing. All this can occur within marriage or out of it. Some of these situations may not be morally right but they are real.
Whatever morality you ascribe to these situations do not go away. Our current system does not have a failproof answer to taking care of either the woman or the child if there are no choices. In a perfect world we would have answers but in our current world we do not.
I have no idea whether it is right to have an abortion. In my experiences (you may have different ones) the woman making the choice does so after a great deal of thought and it is the least bad choice. I could be lucky in my patient population but the stereotype of a woman just having an abortion as birth control is pretty unusual. I think I have encountered it maybe 2-3 times in 20+ years.
Maybe instead of arguing whether it is right to have access to abortion we should be working on it's prevention- education regarding how pregnancy can occur and how to prevent it (and that no method is failproof), support if adoption is considered (this for some reason is totally out of favor), prevention of domestic violence and protection from it if it occurs. Education from an early age to break the cycle of acceptance of early coitarchy...to name a few. Look at the 'stupid' Europeans who have significantly less problem with this. They must be doing something right.
Awfully early for a rant but there it is.....
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: The Abortion Debate. Again.
I am 40 and have been married 16 years. My wife and I both waited to have sex until we were married. We dated for 4 years before we were enganged and were engaged 2 years before we were married.
As far as your 2nd paragraph goes, I agree with you that not everyone's goal is the same as mine. In my world, if I wasn't married, I'd be a 40 year old virgin, but that would be due to my moral values and not because I want to avoid impregnating a woman to avoid her having to get an abortion.
Your celibacy thought provokes this thought in my head: Are you implying that being celibate somehow makes your life less fullfilled? I'm just curious. I would like to comment on that, but if I don't get back to work....
Yes, there are millions of single people who have responsible sex every day, and that's fine and good for you. We're not on the same page value-wise, but that's fine. I'm not out to covert anyone, I just want to point out there is this option out there and it's foolproof (avoiding unwanted pregnancy).
I am 40 and have been married 16 years. My wife and I both waited to have sex until we were married. We dated for 4 years before we were enganged and were engaged 2 years before we were married.
As far as your 2nd paragraph goes, I agree with you that not everyone's goal is the same as mine. In my world, if I wasn't married, I'd be a 40 year old virgin, but that would be due to my moral values and not because I want to avoid impregnating a woman to avoid her having to get an abortion.
Your celibacy thought provokes this thought in my head: Are you implying that being celibate somehow makes your life less fullfilled? I'm just curious. I would like to comment on that, but if I don't get back to work....
Yes, there are millions of single people who have responsible sex every day, and that's fine and good for you. We're not on the same page value-wise, but that's fine. I'm not out to covert anyone, I just want to point out there is this option out there and it's foolproof (avoiding unwanted pregnancy).