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The Abortion Debate. Again.

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Jon said:
I"m bored out of my skull by what the average teenager watches. So I guess I'm in some bizarre middle area.
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That's probably because you look for some sort of substance in what you watch, not endless screaming noise, action, explosions, etc.
 
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Bob Gray said:
That's probably because you look for some sort of substance in what you watch, not endless screaming noise, action, explosions, etc.
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And the music stinks. Don't forget that.

I'm prepping for being a grouchy old man when I'm 32. Go me!
 
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Bob Gray said:
That's probably because you look for some sort of substance in what you watch, not endless screaming noise, action, explosions, etc.
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Count me as a fellow curmudgeon, but it's fair to point out that "kiss kiss, bang bang" is a phrase from the 1930's. Twas ever thus.
 
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Bob Gray said:
That's probably because you look for some sort of substance in what you watch, not endless screaming noise, action, explosions, etc.
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As an adult I crave substance - when I was a teenager (despite being one that was pretty level headed) I wanted to see sex, drugs and rock & roll. Despite hanging with friends on a Friday watching The Hulk, Dukes of Hazzard and playing Risk all night long I managed to avoid activity worthy of going to jail. Truth is every parent since the beginning of time has thought the next generation was full of degenerate slackers. :)
 
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This may be extreme even for the incumbent of the White House. One hopes that these views were from the time of youthful extremeness and he has mellowed over time. But, for the record.....

Obama Science Advisor John Holdren Also Said Newborn Baby Not Fully Human

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
July 29, 2009

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- John Holdren, the Science Czar chosen by pro-abortion President Barack Obama, has already come under criticism for backing population control and forced abortions. Now, new information is appearing showing Holdren didn't believe that newborn infants are fully human.

Holdren co-wrote a 1973 book ,“Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions," with infamous population control advocate Paul Ehrlich in which his view supporting forced abortion appears.

Holdren's office later denied he held those views.

In another manuscript, Holdren also says a newborn child “will ultimately develop into a human being” if properly fed and socialized.

“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being,” Holdren wrote.

Obama chose Holdren to become the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

According to a report in CNS News, the controversial passage is found on page 235 in the 1973 book in chapter 8, titled “Population Limitation.” The news service indicates the book, written before the Roe v. Wade decision, argued in favor of legalized abortion.

"To a biologist the question of when life begins for a human child is almost meaningless," Holdren argues. "To most biologists, an embryo (unborn child during the first two or three months of development) or a fetus is no more a complete human being than a blueprint is a building."

Holdren continues, "The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being. Where any of these essential elements is lacking, the resultant individual will be deficient in some respect.”

Holdren also notes that legal scholars don't view unborn children as human under the U.S. Constitution until “it is born.”

“From this point of view, a fetus is only a potential human being" with potential italicized in Holdren's book. “Historically, the law has dated most rights and privileges from the moment of birth, and legal scholars generally agree that a fetus is not a ‘person’ within the meaning of the United States Constitution until it is born and living independent of its mother’s body.”

CNS news indicates Holdren argues for abortion, saying it spares “unwanted children” from “undesirable consequences.”
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36 years ago I had a number of opinions that were different from what I think now. Lots of new science and a lifetime of experience. Why are people dredging up things from 3.5 decades ago? Even the Pope has changed opinions on things in that time. Just sayin'....
 
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leswp1 said:
36 years ago I had a number of opinions that were different from what I think now. Lots of new science and a lifetime of experience. Why are people dredging up things from 3.5 decades ago? Even the Pope has changed opinions on things in that time. Just sayin'....
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It's something people do in politics when it helps their argument, or helps make someone they already don't like look bad.
 
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