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The Abortion Debate. Again.

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joecct said:
Which begs the argument, when is it human?

If you pick time X, I'll pick X - 1 second. And I'll keep backing up until sperm -> egg. The point being is that we don't know for certain. I believe that life begins at conception. I believe will all certainty that when my wife and I lost a baby @ 8 weeks gestation, that that child is in heaven with his grandfather and all prior generations. To deny the personhood of that little embryo denies a part of my wife and me. If that little guy was nothing, than what am I? Her?
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Doesn't matter. My earlier point holds true no matter what point in the process.

dropthatpuck said:
Becoming is not "being"?

If your mom decided to abort you while you were "becoming", your name wouldn't be your name, you wouldn't have your life, cat, kids, or be posting on this board.

Einstein and other great thinkers and leaders didn't materialize out of thin air. They "became" infants, then toddlers, then teens, then adults and made their contributions to the world. Deny them any step in that process and you've eliminated them completely from history along with their contributions to all of us.
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You're assuming unwanted children will grow up to become geniuses and we shouldn't deny them because they might becoming Einstein?

But can't the other side just as facetiously say we're possibly preventing the next Hitler?

See, if you open the door to the wondrous possibilities you also have to open the door to the terrible ones.
 
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well, duh. obviously life begins at conception or the cells wouldn't be dividing and growing. its life. but that doesn't answer the question of who's right it is to end that life. or that it should be ended at all.
 
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huskyfan said:
well, duh. obviously life begins at conception or the cells wouldn't be dividing and growing. its life. but that doesn't answer the question of who's right it is to end that life. or that it should be ended at all.
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No, not so obvious. Those cells cannot survive on their own. They require a unique host.
 
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walrus said:
You probably can't survive on your own either.
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, not so obvious. Those cells cannot survive on their own. They require a unique host.
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ScoobyDoo said:
Oh, really. And what host do I need to survive?
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huskyfan said:
an infant can't survive on its own either.
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walrus said:
Take away everything and I mean everything. Do you think you'd survive?
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People, Scooby's point was not that he, or anyone else, can survive with no help. His point was that a fetus in the early stages of pregnancy is actually a parasite. An infant can absolutely survive without it's mother, otherwise children given up for adoption would die. A fetus is a parasite on it's mother, until fairly late in the pregnancy.
 
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huskyfan said:
well, duh. obviously life begins at conception or the cells wouldn't be dividing and growing. its life. but that doesn't answer the question of who's right it is to end that life. or that it should be ended at all.
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I'm for death penalty and abortion but I can buy the argument of the pro-lifers about life starting at conception although the question still remains about choice for the women and viablity of the fetus. I really think this question will be moot in 50-100years with overpopulation and we'll institute 1 child rule and other forms of birthcontrol ala China.

The more interesting question comes from genetic engineering and cloning. Gattaca (1997) touched on it but at some point we'll be able to test for birthdefects and possibly able to manipulate your genes. Should we play god? And is a clone a life (with a soul).?
 
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Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But you can't have babies.
Stan: Don't you oppress me.
Reg: Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?
 
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LynahFan said:
A clone is just an identical twin - surely both twins have souls, no?
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Ok sure. so adding a dna sequence to make us glow in the dark would still make us human, but lets say we mix human/chimpanzee DNA and create a viable life. "I'm not an animal" ... would that be a person or animal? :D

I guess this is the question of what is human... and when we get into AI (bladerunner, 2faces of tomorrow, I robot) what is life?
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
You're assuming unwanted children will grow up to become geniuses and we shouldn't deny them because they might becoming Einstein?

But can't the other side just as facetiously say we're possibly preventing the next Hitler?

See, if you open the door to the wondrous possibilities you also have to open the door to the terrible ones.
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One theory suggests that legalized abortions results in higher crime rates. Some look at hungry when abortion was made illegal, and the crime rate one generation later increased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
 
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