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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

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This is a stupid question. If the Voter Suppress-- er, I mean Counter-Fraud laws are so vital to our democracy, then why not have a freely-available, universal, national photo ID for all voters?

If that's too scary or Big Brother then drop the pretense that the laws are legitimate.

If not, then suspend the laws until that ID is issued.

Everybody wins.

You're right, it's a stupid question. I'd recommend watching "Hunt for Red October" again. There's a good discussion about "papers" in it. These are two unrelated topics, but changing the subject really is Libstain 101, isn't it?

Those who wail about "voter suppression" were dealt a bit of a blow recently when the lead plaintiff in the Pennsylvania suit against that state's law (a 90-something lady) waltzed into the DMV with less than "perfect" documentation, and waltzed out with a state ID.
 
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It's not just in Minnesota. The states are just the first step. They'll go federal with it eventually. Just like they have with the personhood amendment. Personhood didn't even pass in Mississippi and they still went Federal.

While you're hiding under your bed, how's the dust bunny situation?
 
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True. I took his comment "freely-available" to mean easily obtained, as opposed to literally "free" of charge.
My fault, I was inexact. I meant both free and easily obtained.
 
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Looks like the Democrat leadership is still obsessed about Sarah Palin. I saw an ad about that on this very site, which I'm sure those who are not Extra members will see once in a while.
 
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Definitely the way it should be.
Passports are also good things spiritually. They promote the understanding that there's a whole world out there. Air does not stop at the US border.

Also, Montreal strippers.
 
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Passports are also good things spiritually. They promote the understanding that there's a whole world out there. Air does not stop at the US border.

Also, Montreal strippers.
I have a friend who always takes his passport when a group of us fly to Las Vegas for a boys weekend. His explanation is simple: "you never know!" :D
 
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I have a friend who always takes his passport when a group of us fly to Las Vegas for a boys weekend. His explanation is simple: "you never know!" :D
True. It's harder to jump bail without a passport.
 
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Passports are also good things spiritually. They promote the understanding that there's a whole world out there. Air does not stop at the US border.

Also, Montreal strippers.

I still remember the commercials. In my market, American Gladiators was shown at 1AM Sunday, and they'd show bar ads, strip club ads, even Canadian phone lines of ill repute (Canadian residents only, but they could pick up the signal).
 
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Definitely the way it should be.

The new passport card might be a cheaper alternative. But you have to provide the same birth certificate with a raised seal and photo to get it that you do for a passport booklet. Just how many more passport people would we have to hire and square feet of office space to acquire to provide the cards for virtually all Americans? And how long would the processing time be? This doesn't strike me as a viable alternative to state ID's. After all, the states have fully equipped offices, taking pictures and issuing cards all day long. This is an area where states should decide what, if any, proof voters have to provide.
 
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The new passport card might be a cheaper alternative. But you have to provide the same birth certificate with a raised seal and photo to get it that you do for a passport booklet. Just how many more passport people would we have to hire and square feet of office space to acquire to provide the cards for virtually all Americans? And how long would the processing time be? This doesn't strike me as a viable alternative to state ID's. After all, the states have fully equipped offices, taking pictures and issuing cards all day long. This is an area where states should decide what, if any, proof voters have to provide.

Actually, Congress does have the authority to create a Voter ID law. How? The 26th Amendment. Just create the law for the person to show that they are at least 18 years of age.
 
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Actually, Congress does have the authority to create a Voter ID law. How? The 26th Amendment. Just create the law for the person to show that they are at least 18 years of age.

This is a job for the states. There is no need for a national voter ID card nor a law mandating its use. States already issue ID cards and drivers licenses that provide proof of age. Why get Uncle Sugar involved? Do you really want that?
 
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Two new titles to consider

(1) Jumah be right, I may be crazy
(2) Rendezvous with Rhama.
 
This is a job for the states. There is no need for a national voter ID card nor a law mandating its use. States already issue ID cards and drivers licenses that provide proof of age. Why get Uncle Sugar involved? Do you really want that?
So are people upset that those with picture ID normally leave them at home and the act of asking them to bring it will suppress votes or are we talking about registered voters who don't have any picture ID at all?

Do you need an ID to register in the first place?

I haven't walked in to cash a check lately but don't you need an ID. To do that?

Can you register a car without one?

I get asked for picture ID fairly often, but I travel fairly often too.

I wouldn't have thought we have tons of people who are registered and likely voters but don't have the time, opportunity nor need to get a picture ID .
 
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So are people upset that those with picture ID normally leave them at home and the act of asking them to bring it will suppress votes or are we talking about registered voters who don't have any picture ID at all?

Do you need an ID to register in the first place?

I haven't walked in to cash a check lately but don't you need an ID. To do that?

Can you register a car without one?

I get asked for picture ID fairly often, but I travel fairly often too.

I wouldn't have thought we have tons of people who are registered and likely voters but don't have the time, opportunity nor need to get a picture ID .

The requirement to get the card is deemed "suppression," at least by those obsessing on this issue. As I've mentioned and posted, the WaPo on this matter found nearly 3 out of 4 of us don't find the requirement to show ID burdonsome, and that includes a majority of African Americans. And the opponants have used grotesquely inflated figures to support the "suppression" argument. One way opponants do that is to consider only state issued ID cards, without considering the alternatives many states say they'll accept.

After the recent defeat of the suit challenging the ID law in Pennsylvania, the lead plaintiff, the person chosen to represent how draconian and unfair and racist that law was, took the bus to the DMV, and walked out of there with an ID card. States are providing the cards for free. And in some cases, have brought the issuance process to where people are.

If someone forgets to bring their ID, these states provide for the casting of a provisional ballot, which will be counted once the ID is provided. You're right, there was a time when we had to register to vote in person. No more. Now you can mail in a postcard.

In today's society, it's nearly impossible to get along without having and producing an ID card from time to time. And a requirement to bring it along to vote is neither "repressive" nor "racist." Having grown up in Chicagoland during the regime of Daley I I may be a tad more cynical about these matters than the average poster.

Opponants argue there's no evidence to support the notion that there's a lot of voter fraud going on. How much is acceptable? We recently decided a senate race in Minnesota by about 500 votes, and an analysis of the rolls has revealed that nearly 2,000 felons participated. A few hundred votes recently decided who would be POTUS. It reminds me of folks who argue against seat belts because they don't work all the time, in every accident. Wasn't it Voltaire who observed that the perfect is the enemy of the good?

Opponants argue, with zero evidence to support it, that the movement to make voters provide ID is "racist" and designed to "suppress" Democrat votes in big cities. The former is nonsense. The latter is true, if by "suppress" you're talking about only permitting legal voters to participate, and then only once.
 
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Geezer, a question for you....

Not sure if you saw Romney's bland, unexceptional, pedestrian speech, nor the earnest, well-intentioned manner in which it was delivered.

I've never been a Romney supporter, and I'm not really an Obama "detractor" as much as I am a fierce critic of his policies, if that distinction means anything.

Anyway, watching Romney tonight, it struck me that we are quite possibly looking at the next Eisenhower, who in isolation seems fairly ordinary and non-descript on his own, yet has a genius for identifying, nurturing, recruiting, assembling, and managing the very best talent he can find, a man who is comfortable enough being around people smarter and more talented than he is, because he knows how to focus a team's attention on a common task, lay out clear metrics, consider alternatives, make choices, and follow through diligently to make sure things get done and get done right.

I guess I'm sympathetic to that in a way, my athletic talents were always A- or B+ yet the teams I played on generally won because I knew how to facilitate communication and common purpose among my teammates.

I'm not quite sure what I was expecting; I was pleasantly surprised at what i found.

The best line of the night probably hit the note perfectly for Mr. Plain Vanilla:

"President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans, ....[long pause]....he promised to heal the planet....[another pause]....I promise to help you and your family."

You can have sizzle, or you can have dependable.
 
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