The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

[Gurtholfin]

Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

There's only one of us who poses, constantly, as an intellectual. And it's not you, BTW. However, at least I know "media" is plural, not singular. So the answer to my question about where the nonsense about a voter ID constitutional amendment is coming from, is "I made it up?"

And worrying about that and "personhood" and whatever else "they" can come up with isn't hysterical? Thanks for the clarification.

All this says the guy who tries to use Harry Belefonte (he sits on which senate committee?) and gay black panthers (what?) as some sort of equivalence to state legislatures and a US House full of like-minded people who support things like state mandated trans-vaginal ultrasounds as a requirement prior to getting a procedure that is currently legal.

As far as I'm concerned, and given the current makeup of the GOP, it's utterly and completely logical (far from hysterics) to think that your party will not stop at abortion (personhood) and voter ID, but will push on to other items that their base wants such as teaching creationism in public schools - assuming of course that public schools still exist and they aren't privatized.

But that's where people like you would draw the line though and stop them, right?

Ideologues with complete power will use it. They always have.

But of course, Mitt will govern more from the center. We can count on Mitt. He's a man of principle.

 

[Old Pio]

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All this says the guy who tries to use Harry Belefonte (he sits on which senate committee?) and gay black panthers (what?) as some sort of equivalence to state legislatures and a US House full of like-minded people who support things like state mandated trans-vaginal ultrasounds as a requirement prior to getting a procedure that is currently legal.

As far as I'm concerned, and given the current makeup of the GOP, it's utterly and completely logical (far from hysterics) to think that your party will not stop at abortion (personhood) and voter ID, but will push on to other items that their base wants such as teaching creationism in public schools - assuming of course that public schools still exist and they aren't privatized.

But that's where people like you would draw the line though and stop them, right?

Ideologues with complete power will use it. They always have.

But of course, Mitt will govern more from the center. We can count on Mitt. He's a man of principle.

And so is that cheap Chicago hack. It's really kind of revealing, don't you think, that you keep referring to a voter ID constitutional amendment that, as nearly as I can tell, nobody has suggested, except you. Please offer something other than your imagination that anybody, anywhere is proposing such an amendment.

The fact that I've said several times I would oppose any such amenments means nothing to you. After all, in addition to being a racist and stupid, I'm also a liar?
You know what you can do with that sh*t, right?

And you may think it's trivial that the Attorney General of the United States declined to prosecute a slam dunk case of voter intimidation because the intimidators were black hairdressers while intimidatees were elderly white folks. But I don't. Voter intimidation is voter intimidation and it should be punished wherever found. Mr. Holder and His Racistness seem to have a different view.

 

[Old Pio]

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Thanks for that clarification...

"In practice, in the sense ‘television, radio, the press, and the Internet, collectively,’ media behaves as a collective noun (like staff or clergy, for example), which means that it is now acceptable in standard English for it to take either a singular or a plural verb."

Your English is antiquated much like your pop culture references.

You might enlighten us with the source of that quote. Or is attribution now optional? What you call "antiquated," I call proper and correct.

 

[Old Pio]

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The whack jobs on the right have the loudest bullhorn and are in the news the most. Sheila Jackson is certainly one of the lefties we can do without.

Her name is Sheila Jackson LEE. Sheila Jackson LEE. She's not from Indiana. Not a Jehovah's Witness. And doesn"t sing.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You might enlighten us with the source of that quote. Or is attribution now optional? What you call "antiquated," I call proper and correct.

That one was from my Mac Book's dictionary.

Here's another and while it isn't quite as liberal (hehe), it doesn't declare it to be an incorrect usage. Just says that many people disagree...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/media

Another...

http://www.techterms.com/definition/media

Another that cites both singular and plural usage...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/medium


I suppose there is a One True Dictionary that will be produced to put me in my place though.

 

[Old Pio]

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That one was from my Mac Book's dictionary.

Here's another and while it isn't quite as liberal (hehe), it doesn't declare it to be an incorrect usage. Just says that many people disagree...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/media

Another...

http://www.techterms.com/definition/media

Another that cites both singular and plural usage...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/medium


I suppose there is a One True Dictionary that will be produced to put me in my place though.

Next time, why not put the attribution first? 5MM is always trying to pass off other people's words as his own. It didn't work for Ward Churchill, did it? So I would sincerely suggest you not fall into that briar patch. You're a bit touchy on this one, aren't you? Well, that's how it seems to me, but since I'm a liar and a racist and stupid, what do I know?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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And so is that cheap Chicago hack. It's really kind of revealing, don't you think, that you keep referring to a voter ID constitutional amendment that, as nearly as I can tell, nobody has suggested, except you. Please offer something other than your imagination that anybody, anywhere is proposing such an amendment.

The fact that I've said several times I would oppose any such amenments means nothing to you. After all, in addition to being a racist and stupid, I'm also a liar?
You know what you can do with that sh*t, right?

And you may think it's trivial that the Attorney General of the United States declined to prosecute a slam dunk case of voter intimidation because the intimidators were black hairdressers while intimidatees were elderly white folks. But I don't. Voter intimidation is voter intimidation and it should be punished wherever found. Mr. Holder and His Racistness seem to have a different view.

I didn't mention that at all in the text that you've quoted and are referring to here. So I'm not referring to it over and over. Scooby was actually the one who mentioned it first and probably as a hypothetical. I was quoting him when you got your undies in a bunch.

And... Voter intimidation is not at all the same thing as voter suppression. Nobody was talking about voter intimidation. But someone of your intellect knows that, right?

 

[Kepler]

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Medium/media is like datum/data or stadium/stadia. What was once mandatory and then optional has become stilted.

(This isn't an argument against the old usage. Stiltedness is its own artform.)

OTOH, there are still things that are beyond the Pale. A woman graduate is an alumna, not an alumnus, and a group of women graduates are alumnae, not alumni, and I don't care how often people get it wrong.

 

[Old Pio]

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Medium/media is like datum/data or stadium/stadia. What was once mandatory and then optional has become stilted.

(This isn't an argument against the old usage. Stiltedness is its own artform.)

And so is pomposity, condescenion and arrogance, chief. "Stilted" at ag schools, perhaps.

 

[Old Pio]

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I didn't mention that at all in the text that you quoted and were referring to. Scooby was actually the one who mentioned it first and probably as a hypothetical. I was quoting him when you got your undies in a bunch.

And... Voter intimidation is not at all the same thing as voter suppression. Nobody was talking about voter intimidation. But someone of your intellect knows that, right?

I knew you would try to conflate the two. Voter intimidation is a crime. And in the case of those interior decorators, fell under the jurisdiction of the AG. Voter supression (real or imagined) is a technique. And may or may not be illegal. Libstains are making a big pitch to get black turnout up this November. Even so, a majority of black folks (in the recent WaPo poll) didn't find showing an ID to vote equivalent to Bull Connor and his cattle prod. Hauling illegals, felons, and various other ineligible people to the polls is a crime. And one way to help fight it is to ask "voters" to identify themselves. 74% in the WaPo poll agreed. And all demographic groups, as well. With the lone exception of "Liberal Democrats."

So now you don't think there's a threat of a voter ID constitutional amendment? You were just quoting Scooby? Well, make up your fooking mind, will you? He mentioned it and you went along, more than once. A person of "my intellect" knows the plain meaning of what you said. It's really kind of gutless to crawfish away now, isn't it?

 

[Slap Shot]

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but you need to realize that anyone supporting liberal causes is typically labeled libstains around here. Frankly, to most conservatives i don't think they really believe there is a non-far left. You don't agree with them and you're automatically radical by definition.

fyp. I know you won't acknowledge as much so you don't have to respond.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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So now you don't think there's a threat of a voter ID constitutional amendment? You were just quoting Scooby? Well, make up your fooking mind, will you? He mentioned it and you went along, more than once. A person of "my intellect" knows the plain meaning of what you said. It's really kind of gutless to crawfish away now, isn't it?

Okay then...

Here's how it went. Go back and check if you need to and then show me where on numerous occasions I mentioned an amendment on voter ID.

I see. The first bailout was ok though? I never understood that logic. As for Health Care I'm completely convinced that it will bankrupt us.

None of those sound as dangerous to me as amending the Constitution for personhood and voter ID.

The concern is that those are just the first dominos. If they can get those, why would they stop?

Where is this hysterical sh*t about a voter ID amendment coming from? Has any serious person advocated it? Or are you just jerking off in the wind, as usual?

Every post you make is some unrelated hysterical (and often are attempts at appearing to be an intellectual) tangent to what was actually being talked about. Just following suit.

Don't worry though, coz the liberal media probably isn't covering this thread and it seems unlikely that this will get out.

Never once did I actually come out and state what you have more than once stated that I said numerous times. Show me.

Do I think it could be a possibility at some future point? Sure. But I don't see where I said that they actually have tried it at this point, which is what you called me on originally when you said, "Where is this hysterical sh*t about a voter ID amendment coming from? Has any serious person advocated it?"

By saying "If they can get those..." I think it's clear that I'm saying "If" and implying at some future point.

I think you have a hard time reading through your froth at times.

 

[FreshFish]

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Hmmm....unemployment is worsening; the growth in federal debt means that the deficit will become a huge problem once interest rates start to go up again, Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons....we face a number of serious problems.

And so Obama decides that now is the time to press for a Constitutional amendment to respond to the JCitizens United decision?? Really?




very nice touch the Republican campaign: it made sense to vote for Obama in 2008; he offered something fresh, exciting, and new. Let's look at his record since then and see how he's performed compared to the promises he made.

 

[unofan]

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And so Obama decides that now is the time to press for a Constitutional amendment to respond to the JCitizens United decision?? Really?

Without a corresponding link, I'm guessing you're referring to his answer on his reddit chat.
Let me repeat that, he was responding to a question on freaking reddit. The question specifically asked about the corrupting influence of money in politics. I'm guessing you'd rather he dodged the question entirely?

 

[SJHovey]

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I didn't mention that at all in the text that you've quoted and are referring to here. So I'm not referring to it over and over. Scooby was actually the one who mentioned it first and probably as a hypothetical. I was quoting him when you got your undies in a bunch.

And... Voter intimidation is not at all the same thing as voter suppression. Nobody was talking about voter intimidation. But someone of your intellect knows that, right?

Scooby probably mentioned it because there actually is a proposed amendment to the Minnesota Constitution to require a photo ID in order to vote. It's on the November ballot.

Edit: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/di...cs/minnesota-supreme-court-amendment-rulings/

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Scooby probably mentioned it because there actually is a proposed amendment to the Minnesota Constitution to require a photo ID in order to vote. It's on the November ballot.

It's not just in Minnesota. The states are just the first step. They'll go federal with it eventually. Just like they have with the personhood amendment. Personhood didn't even pass in Mississippi and they still went Federal.

 

[Kepler]

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This is a stupid question. If the Voter Suppress-- er, I mean Counter-Fraud laws are so vital to our democracy, then why not have a freely-available, universal, national photo ID for all voters?

If that's too scary or Big Brother then drop the pretense that the laws are legitimate.

If not, then suspend the laws until that ID is issued.

Everybody wins.

 

[Old Pio]

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Okay then...

Here's how it went. Go back and check if you need to and then show me where on numerous occasions I mentioned an amendment on voter ID.












Never once did I actually come out and state what you have more than once stated that I said numerous times. Show me.

Do I think it could be a possibility at some future point? Sure. But I don't see where I said that they actually have tried it at this point, which is what you called me on originally when you said, "Where is this hysterical sh*t about a voter ID amendment coming from? Has any serious person advocated it?"

By saying "If they can get those..." I think it's clear that I'm saying "If" and implying at some future point.

I think you have a hard time reading through your froth at times.

Actually, dipstick, I said "more than once," which may or may not be "numerous."

 

[SJHovey]

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This is a stupid question. If the Voter Suppress-- er, I mean Counter-Fraud laws are so vital to our democracy, then why not have a freely-available, universal, national photo ID for all voters?

Passport?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Passport?

Passports aren't free. Quite expensive actually.