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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

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Old Pio said:
This is a job for the states. There is no need for a national voter ID card nor a law mandating its use. States already issue ID cards and drivers licenses that provide proof of age. Why get Uncle Sugar involved? Do you really want that?
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I never said that I wanted it, I just said it was possible. This is the argument that states should be using when trying to defend the law in front of the courts.
 
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First Mittens is Reagan and now he's Eisenhower? Can Lincoln comparisons be far behind?

Regarding voter suppression/voter ID. Its pretty obvious in places like PA that voter supression is the goal as the GOP leader over there openly admitted as much. However, these laws can be done right. Why I feel its a supression effort is because they're giving people two months before election day to comply. Rhode Island on the other hand is implementing there's in 2014, thus giving time for everyone to get their photo ID's.

Remember there's more than one way to try and stop people from voting. Yes you could deny their identity at the polling station, but if they get discouraged and don't turn out because they don't think they'll be allowed to vote, mission accomplished from a Republican perspective. Recall a lot of these people most likely have memories of being denied the right to vote either for themselves or their parents.
 
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Rover said:
First Mittens is Reagan and now he's Eisenhower? Can Lincoln comparisons be far behind?
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The dittoheads hate Lincoln. After Saint Ronnie their highest hero is probably their bowdlerized revision of John Adams.

If you ever want to see a neocon's head asplode bring up Hamilton. They have no idea how their template applies.
 
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FreshFish said:
Anyway, watching Romney tonight, it struck me that we are quite possibly looking at the next Eisenhower, who in isolation seems fairly ordinary and non-descript on his own, yet has a genius for identifying, nurturing, recruiting, assembling, and managing the very best talent he can find, a man who is comfortable enough being around people smarter and more talented than he is, because he knows how to focus a team's attention on a common task, lay out clear metrics, consider alternatives, make choices, and follow through diligently to make sure things get done and get done right.
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"I'm going to scream incoherently at this chair for a while."

"Cool. Go for it."
 
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Now that Romney's accepted, let's just move the election up a couple months and get it over with. The Consitutition has already been willfully bent, manipulated, and massaged by administrations on both sides of the aisle for eons (including much-exalted figures like Lincoln and FDR), so why not just move Election Day and spare the voters the torment of debates and more biased political advertising funded by those with deep pockets. 90% of Americans are likely already leaning or decided one way or the other. We already know without further discourse that both candidates represent unkeepable promises, vapid platitudes, and billions more in debt that we'll never pay back.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Now that Romney's accepted, let's just move the election up a couple months and get it over with. The Consitutition has already been willfully bent, manipulated, and massaged by administrations on both sides of the aisle for eons (including much-exalted figures like Lincoln and FDR), so why not just move Election Day and spare the voters the torment of debates and more biased political advertising funded by those with deep pockets. 90% of Americans are likely already leaning or decided one way or the other. We already know without further discourse that both candidates represent unkeepable promises, vapid platitudes, and billions more in debt that we'll never pay back.
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Correct. Although, only one candidate wants to go to war with Russia, Iran, and about 5 other nations.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
why not just move Election Day and spare the voters the torment of debates and more biased political advertising funded by those with deep pockets
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Beginning on inauguration day, every morning at 9 a.m. the Speaker of the House should spin a huge roulette wheel on the Capitol Dome. The wheel will have a certain number of slots -- my WAG without doing the probability is about 50k (to make it comes out to about a 4 year term -- those of you closer to high school math please figure it out). Day one there is one red slot, and each day another slot goes red. When the wheel comes up red, the next presidential election will be held in 100 days, and the president will take office the day after the election.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Correct. Although, only one candidate wants to go to war with Russia, Iran, and about 5 other nations.
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Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt who said something like "the most credible way to keep the peace is to threaten war without actually engaging it, as long as we are in the right and the rest of the world is on our side?"

As Romney said (and this really surprised me, frankly) 'we need an army so strong that no one will dare to take us on.'

why do all of our rich and famous entertainers have bodyguards?
 
FreshFish said:
Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt who said something like "the most credible way to keep the peace is to threaten war without actually engaging it, as long as we are in the right and the rest of the world is on our side?"

As Romney said (and this really surprised me, frankly) 'we need an army so strong that no one will dare to take us on.'
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Except you do realize 99% of the world hates us for this exact reason right?
 
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Who the hell is Romney afraid of? No one is taking on our military in a conventional fashion. The Soviets lost hope on that by the late 80's. We annihilated the 8th largest army in the world in 1991 in a few weeks of bombing and 3 days. The 2nd time around with less help and 1/3 the troops, it took 3 weeks.

As another example, our 11 "full" aircraft carriers are twice the size of any other nations that claim a carrier and we've got about 10 "Amphibious Assault Ships" that carry Harriers and Helicopters that would qualify as "carriers" in every other navy.
 
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FreshFish said:
Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt who said something like "the most credible way to keep the peace is to threaten war without actually engaging it, as long as we are in the right and the rest of the world is on our side?"

As Romney said (and this really surprised me, frankly) 'we need an army so strong that no one will dare to take us on.'

why do all of our rich and famous entertainers have bodyguards?
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LOL

We spend more money than any other nation on earth on the military. We also spend more as a percentage of GDP then any other nation on earth.

We're broke. So, the idea is to spend more on the military. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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bronconick said:
Who the hell is Romney afraid of?
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Possums.

Seriously, if you could see the possums that line up along Route 15 in Virginia every Fall you'd be arming, too. I saw a pair this morning that were each the size of an 18 wheeler. They are rabid, fearless hellspawn and if it takes 75% of our GNP to fight them, by God that's what we need to do.

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Kepler said:
Seriously, if you could see the possums that line up along Route 15 in Virginia every Fall you'd be arming, too....They are rabid, fearless hellspawn and if it takes 75% of our GNP to fight them, by God that's what we need to do.
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Those aren't possums, they're Loudoun County residents.

Zing!
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
LOL

We spend more money than any other nation on earth on the military. We also spend more as a percentage of GDP then any other nation on earth.

We're broke. So, the idea is to spend more on the military. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The least they could do is if they're going to push to continue to spend $700 billion a year is to suggest we start occupying nations and plundering their riches to pay for other things.

"The Iraqi oil will pay for our invasion" wasn't a PC idea, but at least it was a plan to pay for the GD war.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Except you do realize 99% of the world hates us for this exact reason right?
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I'd rather have a peaceful world hate us than a war-torn world despise us, and the latter is where we are heading right now, no?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
LOL

We spend more money than any other nation on earth on the military. We also spend more as a percentage of GDP then any other nation on earth.

We're broke. So, the idea is to spend more on the military. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The idea is to GROW THE ECONOMY and to spend more wisely, not to spend more.

I think the world is a much better place with the Berlin wall gone and the Iron Curtain in tatters, don't you?

or perhaps you are too young to remember what an ominous place the world was before 1980, when Iran held US citizens hostage for over a year and laughed at our impotence?
 
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