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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

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Sure. Now let's try to remember that we all pay taxes to pay for our entitlements while we were asked to sacrifice nothing for two wars. Yet, the entitlements are constantly blamed for the current fiscal crisis while the two wars are barely mentioned.
You can't also afford the current entitlements either. However, if Uncle Sugar keeps creating groups that are getting their slice of the government pie, how to you turn off one and ****** off a constituency and not another??
 
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I'd rather have a peaceful world hate us than a war-torn world despise us, and the latter is where we are heading right now, no?

We're not getting to the former with Mitt in the WH so I'd call it a wash.
 
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For some reason, I was reminded recently of an interview I saw with Charles Barkley in 1989 or so....

He related an anecdote about the 1988 election. His mother asked him who he voted for, and he said GHW Bush. She replied (as related by Charles in pitch and emphasis), "How could you vote for a Republican? They're the party of rich people."

Patiently, kindly, he replied, "Mom, I'm rich."
 
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

For some reason, I was reminded recently of an interview I saw with Charles Barkley in 1989 or so....

He related an anecdote about the 1988 election. His mother asked him who he voted for, and he said GHW Bush. She replied (as related by Charles in pitch and emphasis), "How could you vote for a Republican? They're the party of rich people."

Patiently, kindly, he replied, "Mom, I'm rich."

Wilt Chamberlain came out for Nixon in '68. Resulting in weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in the usual precincts.
 
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Wilt Chamberlain came out for Nixon in '68. Resulting in weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in the usual precincts.

Similar to when the geniuses trumpeting, "Born in the USA" realized Bruce wasn't one of them.
 
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Anyway, watching Romney tonight, it struck me that we are quite possibly looking at the next Eisenhower, who in isolation seems fairly ordinary and non-descript on his own, yet has a genius for identifying, nurturing, recruiting, assembling, and managing the very best talent he can find, a man who is comfortable enough being around people smarter and more talented than he is, because he knows how to focus a team's attention on a common task, lay out clear metrics, consider alternatives, make choices, and follow through diligently to make sure things get done and get done right.

Eisenhower was measured, pragmatic, concerned with special interest, and about as moderate as one can get.

Romney has views that have completely changed, policies that still remain unknown, ripe for special interests, and considers himself 'severly conservative'...which based on the most substantive info which came from the primaries means 'severly social conservative'.

I didn't know Eisenhower. But Romney's no Eisenhower.
 
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I'd rather have a peaceful world hate us than a war-torn world despise us, and the latter is where we are heading right now, no?

No.

If you manage to get out of the country...you'll find the world is travelling, trading and largely booming. China's growth rate has slowed to a paltry 7%. Regardless of the sound bites we hear, the Chinese, Indians, etc are out conducting business or in the case of the Europeans, sipping wine on the veranda.

Frankly, you'll actually find that the only ones fighting ideological head battles are a small percentage of extremist Muslims, Putin (as best he can w/o po'ing the Russian people) and Americans. And Muslim extremists are few and underground...and Russia has few allies and virtually no military power.

Of course, Romney would have the power to change all that.

Wasn't it Theodore Roosevelt who said something like "the most credible way to keep the peace is to threaten war without actually engaging it, as long as we are in the right and the rest of the world is on our side?"

As Romney said (and this really surprised me, frankly) 'we need an army so strong that no one will dare to take us on.'

why do all of our rich and famous entertainers have bodyguards?

Because like Willie Nelson, entertainers tend to go bankrupt?
 
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So that nefarious Bain Capital company has become an issue. Bain takes investor money and tries to generate an above-market return for them. So let's dig deeper: who really profits when Bain makes money?

Well....



Government-worker pension funds are the chief beneficiaries of Bain’s economic stewardship. New York-based Preqin uses public documents, news accounts and Freedom of Information requests to track private-equity holdings. Since 2000, Preqin reports, the following funds have entrusted some $1.56 billion to Bain:

* Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund ($2.2 million)
* Indiana Public Retirement System ($39.3 million)
* Iowa Public Employees’ Retirement System ($177.1 million)
* The Los Angeles Fire and Police Pension System ($19.5 million)
* Maryland State Retirement and Pension System ($117.5 million)
* Public Employees’ Retirement System of Nevada ($20.3 million)
* State Teachers Retirement System of Ohio ($767.3 million)
* Pennsylvania State Employees’ Retirement System ($231.5 million)
* Employees’ Retirement System of Rhode Island ($25 million)
* San Diego County Employees Retirement Association ($23.5 million)
* Teacher Retirement System of Texas ($122.5 million)
* Tennessee Consolidated Retirement System ($15 million)

These funds aggregate the savings of millions of unionized teachers, social workers, public-health personnel and first responders. ...

Leading universities have also profited from Bain’s expertise. According to Infrastructure Investor, Bain Capital Ventures Fund I (launched in 2001) managed wealth for “endowments and foundations such as Columbia, Princeton and Yale universities.”

According to BuyOuts magazine and S&P Capital IQ, Bain’s other college clients have included Cornell, Emory, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Notre Dame and the University of Pittsburgh. Preqin reports that the following schools have placed at least $424.6 million with Bain Capital between 1998 and 2008:

* Purdue University ($15.9 million)
* University of California ($225.7 million)
* University of Michigan ($130 million)
* University of Virginia ($20 million)
* University of Washington ($33 million)

Major, center-left foundations and cultural establishments also have seen their prospects brighten, thanks to Bain Capital. According to the aforementioned sources, such Bain clients have included the Charles Stewart Mott Foundation, the Doris Duke Foundation, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Ford Foundation, the Heinz Endowments and the Oprah Winfrey Foundation.

....

“The scrutiny generated by a heated election year matters less than the performance the portfolio generates to the fund,” California State Teachers’ Retirement System spokesman Ricardo Duran said in the Aug. 12 Boston Globe. CalSTRS has pumped some $1.25 billion into Bain.

Since 1988, Duran says, private-equity companies like Bain have outperformed every other asset class to which CalSTRS has allocated the cash of its 856,360 largely unionized members.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio..._at_bain_88KSQrw8BXciEidja2ZQXN#ixzz25DaHopiW


So Bain Capital's superior returns help relieve pressure on state budgets, help charitable foundations sustain their missions, and help colleges maintain their facilities.
 
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No. The American taxpayer pays for everything. We elect the Congress. Therefore, the fault ultimately lies with us.
Yes but Congress has to appropriate the funds and I agree the fault lies with us. We keep electing the same pieces of crap. Meanwhile everyone looks at the Presidency as the end all, be all when in fact Congress is what is ***** us
 
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Yes but Congress has to appropriate the funds and I agree the fault lies with us. We keep electing the same pieces of crap. Meanwhile everyone looks at the Presidency as the end all, be all when in fact Congress is what is ***** us
And 90%+ of the Congress will be returned to office this fall. After all, our/your representative is the greatest!! It's the bahstahd in the other district / state that's the idiot!
 
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The least useful poll is the poll asking "Congress' approval rating."

They'd have to do work and do 535 separate polls to get a real estimate.
 
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And 90%+ of the Congress will be returned to office this fall. After all, our/your representative is the greatest!! It's the bahstahd in the other district / state that's the idiot!
I don't subscribe to that, my reps sucks, all of them especially the biggest piece of **** in Congress Chellie Pingree.
 
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I don't subscribe to that, my reps sucks, all of them especially the biggest piece of **** in Congress Chellie Pingree.
My rep's an idiot, too, though he may be on the way out thanks to the magic of partisan redistricting.
 
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Just started the September thread.

Have at it.
 
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That wasn't my point, but thanks for playing. When we going to pay for those two wars?
Perhaps you should go back and read your own post. My reply was specific to what you highlighted (bolded).
 
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