The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

[WeWantMore]

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Huckabee got less than Bachmann did. Just saying.

Right, because as I've said previously, the CPAC poll was an excercise between Paul and Romney. No one's performance matters there.

Additionally, I can point to multiple polls showing Huckabee's strength. While I get the feeling the irrelevant CPAC poll is the best evidence for Bachmann Handyman could find.

Huckabee has been the most consistently strong Republican in early polls of the 2012 GOP race. While there is much fluidity to the order in which the leading candidates fall from poll to poll, Huckabee has almost always placed first or second, particularly in recent national surveys.

Two national polls conducted in mid January found Huckabee leading the GOP field, with one of the polls pegging his lead at double digits. In an ABC/Washinton Post poll 21% of respondents chose Huckabee from among a crowded slate of 14 candidates...

Meanwhile, a PPP poll conducted the same week -- but with a slimmer eight-candidate slate -- showed Huckabee on top at 24%, with Palin and Romney tied 10 points back at 14%

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Right, because as I've said previously, the CPAC poll was an excercise between Paul and Romney. No one's performance matters there.

Additionally, I can point to multiple polls showing Huckabee's strength. While I get the feeling the irrelevant CPAC poll is the best evidence for Bachmann Handyman could find.

Liz Cheney called him a big government Republican this morning. Big government anything has no shot at the GOP nod.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Liz Cheney called him a big government Republican this morning. Big government anything has no shot at the GOP nod.

Oh really?

I'm not rooting for the guy, just saying if I had to pick a favorite to win it right now, it'd be him, though it's pretty early for that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Oh really?

I'm not rooting for the guy, just saying if I had to pick a favorite to win it right now, it'd be him, though it's pretty early for that.

A lot has changed since he was nominated.

 

[Tundra]

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This. Living with Romneycare. This guy is the biggest con-man evah. Says whatever he thinks will get him elected and most certainly has no thought past the next month if it will help him get where he wants when he proposes anything. We are still digging out to the holes he dug for us by cutting tons of stuff with no LT plan. (cut smoking programs, teen preg programs, infra-structure programs, education...result- more smokers= more medical bills, teen preggers=more folks on welfare rolls, bridges crumbling with chunks hitting the cars below, school systems in receivership. Hmm.

Sounds like Obama and if the lie is BIG enough he could get elected. Romney 2012.

If you want to lower # of smokers, just add taxes (50% or more)... I think our city went from the lowest cigarette tax to one of the highest in the nation and the # of smokers dropped even as our population increased (20% or more) , supposedly the money is used to offset medical costs etc.. (liars) but the city is "losing" revenue from less smokers so they keep adding more cigarette tax to offset.

 

[leswp1]

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The economy doesn't turn around and Michelle Bachmann has a shot at beating him. Don't count chickens just yet.

I get that the economy is bad but indicators are showing improvement in some quarters from what I can gather listening to the economy/money shows. In the network news~ one breath the headlines say it is showing improving numbers, quoting what has improved with no qualifier about why this shouldn't count. Go to ad and then they lead with a headline saying how bad the economy is and how it isn't improving at all. Is anyone else struck by this? It reminds me of "1984".

I realize the economy is not good. I realize that there are many without jobs and things are not where they should be but do people seriously imagine that someone/anyone can snap their fingers and fix everything in 6 months?? I heard a great analogy about that on the radio today- something to the effect that trying to do policy change for things like this is like trying to turn a huge tanker in a a small port. It moves very slowly, no matter what you do.

 

[leswp1]

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Sounds like Obama and if the lie is BIG enough he could get elected. Romney 2012.

If you want to lower # of smokers, just add taxes (50% or more)... I think our city went from the lowest cigarette tax to one of the highest in the nation and the # of smokers dropped even as our population increased (20% or more) , supposedly the money is used to offset medical costs etc.. (liars) but the city is "losing" revenue from less smokers so they keep adding more cigarette tax to offset.

They did this here and the folks just went across the border to Cow Hampshire. The tax did nothing to stop it at all. The highest risk for addiction to cigarettes is 15 yr old white females. The scary thing is the number of young smokers increased.

Romney, unlike the Big O, has a record if anyone cares to look at it and argue against him. THe Big O was an unknown. Unfortunately no one on either side seems to want to think about anything. They have knee-jerk response simply from hearing a person's name or party. I am astonished what people will believe in the name of party loyalty (that goes for both sides- I have one parent who thinks everything O utters is the gospel and the other who thinks the guy can't take a breath without being Satan) If I could have one wish in politics it would be that folks actually think about the issue/ position was without assuming actions based on party affiliation or a name. It is like someone disconnects folks brains and they believe/assume the most amazing things. Now that will earn me a koolaid for sure!

 

[WeWantMore]

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I realize the economy is not good. I realize that there are many without jobs and things are not where they should be but do people seriously imagine that someone/anyone can snap their fingers and fix everything in 6 months?? I heard a great analogy about that on the radio today- something to the effect that trying to do policy change for things like this is like trying to turn a huge tanker in a a small port. It moves very slowly, no matter what you do.

I get what you're saying, but it doesn't help Obama that he nearly did promise to "snap his fingers" and fix everything. For instance, his economic team said that by passing the stimulus, unemployment would peak at 8%. How's that working out?

Anyways, I think the point that Scooby was making is that a lot of electoral success is based on how the economy is doing. It takes a turn for the worse, and a lot of unpalatable candidates look a lot more palatable. There's some stat with the Dow and the presidential election since 1896 that I can't quite remember right now, but it's pretty predictive.

 

[Patman]

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Your environmental movement at work

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/another-triumph-greens_536862.html

Shorthand... enviro pressure leaves more gunk on your dishes because they were forced to change the soap formula.

 

[Foxton]

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Your environmental movement at work

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/another-triumph-greens_536862.html

Shorthand... enviro pressure leaves more gunk on your dishes because they were forced to change the soap formula.

**** the environment!

Srsly, quit painting environment protection as a bad thing even though it does sometimes go to extremes. Ya know, like how companies will do anything to save a buck by dumping toxic waste in rivers. So that means all companies will do so and are all therefore bad!

But I am the sad, my dishes won't sparkle like the ones in the commercials.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Your environmental movement at work

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/another-triumph-greens_536862.html

Shorthand... enviro pressure leaves more gunk on your dishes because they were forced to change the soap formula.

*Yawn*

We've encountered and solved that problem months ago. Just go buy a tub of TSP and mix it in the correct ratio with your regular dish soap. Works like a charm. Just make sure to get the real stuff and not the fake TSP.

 

[Bakunin]

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The economy doesn't turn around and Michelle Bachmann has a shot at beating him. Don't count chickens just yet.

We could become the next Japan and have a decade plus of no growth and one-term presidents as far as the eye can see.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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We could become the next Japan and have a decade plus of no growth and one-term presidents as far as the eye can see.

More likely than not. The middle class isn't growing and the upper class doesn't grow fast enough or pay enough taxes to make up the difference. I don't see that changing any time soon.

 

[5mn_Major]

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People seem to forget there are two halves to the economy. One...generalized as the 'haves', the entreprenuers, tech and the stock market. The other...the lunchpale crowd, the 'have nots' and those impacted by high unemployment. The second economy is tough...the first is quite healthy, esp thinking where we were two years ago.

The question is whether the first half of the economy will overwhelm the second half...or the second half overwhelm the first half. The most likely scenario IMO is that unemployment inches down in the next year plus....and that gives Obama the edge.

 

[Handyman]

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Right now, I'd bet on Huckabee being the GOP nominee if he runs. Which is unfortunate for everyone.

Anyways, you say Bachmann polls well... and then you point to a poll where she gets 4%? Okay then.

And Romney's 23% is not a "good sign". Again, he's one of two candidates who actually tried to win the poll.

It is for him, the guy is not a Conservative and if he can finish behind a guy who has no shot (but by all accounts is the CPAC darling) he has to be pleased. To be the nominee he needs to get Cons to buy into him despite his being a fraud

And I said Bachman polls as well as TPaw who actually is trying to run for higher office. She has made no real overtures. I didnt say she would win the nomination, I am saying she is a chip to be played for a higher office based on the fact that she makes the average Tea Partier need a new pair of Depends Think of her as a less Rogue Sarah Palin with Crazy Eyes

edit: I just dont buy that Huck will get the nod the guy is not electable. Since I dont see any GOPer winning though everyone is in play to be sacrificial lamb I guess.

 

[Handyman]

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We could become the next Japan and have a decade plus of no growth and one-term presidents as far as the eye can see.

It will be like the 1800's before Lincoln when 1 term Presidents were quite common...maybe that is the real reason Booth killed him

 

[Bakunin]

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IMO is that unemployment inches down in the next year plus....and that gives Obama the edge.

The government numbers are a joke, though.
A) Unemployment is understated because when times get ****ty, people simply stop looking for work and drop out of the calculation entirely.
B) The headline number ignores underemployment which is the percentage of people working part-time who want full-time work.

If you account for the people who stopped looking for work altogether, the unemployment rate is probably still over 10%. IIRC, the underemployment rate remains stubbornly high, in the 15-20% range.

In any case, I think the whole idea of electing people based on macroeconomic numbers is absurd, unless it can be conclusively shown that their policies were significantly detrimental (i.e. enacting trade barriers and killing exporters, or killing the bond market by running up public debt year after year).

 

[leswp1]

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I get what you're saying, but it doesn't help Obama that he nearly did promise to "snap his fingers" and fix everything. For instance, his economic team said that by passing the stimulus, unemployment would peak at 8%. How's that working out?

Anyways, I think the point that Scooby was making is that a lot of electoral success is based on how the economy is doing. It takes a turn for the worse, and a lot of unpalatable candidates look a lot more palatable. There's some stat with the Dow and the presidential election since 1896 that I can't quite remember right now, but it's pretty predictive.

I wasn't posting to defend Obama. I just find it fascinating that in the space of commercial they can say 2 opposite things and the masses say baa.

Overall I think the economy is mending. Slowly. People to listen to people who tell them what they want to hear which usually plays into the it all should be better yesterday doodoo. It is not fast enough. The general populace has the attention span of a gnat.

Folks getting elected now aren't the ones with the skills to fix things, they are the ones who have the best PR machines to play the people into believing absurdities will really be possible.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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People seem to forget there are two halves to the economy. One...generalized as the 'haves', the entreprenuers, tech and the stock market. The other...the lunchpale crowd, the 'have nots' and those impacted by high unemployment. The second economy is tough...the first is quite healthy, esp thinking where we were two years ago.

The question is whether the first half of the economy will overwhelm the second half...or the second half overwhelm the first half. The most likely scenario IMO is that unemployment inches down in the next year plus....and that gives Obama the edge.

Won't happen. Look at what you wrote. The "haves" are mostly Republican voters, the "have nots" are mostly democratic voters. The lunch pail crowd doesn't have a miraculous economic recovery in the next 2 years (tall order) and the Republican's will sweep into office.

It is for him, the guy is not a Conservative and if he can finish behind a guy who has no shot (but by all accounts is the CPAC darling) he has to be pleased. To be the nominee he needs to get Cons to buy into him despite his being a fraud

And I said Bachman polls as well as TPaw who actually is trying to run for higher office. She has made no real overtures. I didnt say she would win the nomination, I am saying she is a chip to be played for a higher office based on the fact that she makes the average Tea Partier need a new pair of Depends Think of her as a less Rogue Sarah Palin with Crazy Eyes

edit: I just dont buy that Huck will get the nod the guy is not electable. Since I dont see any GOPer winning though everyone is in play to be sacrificial lamb I guess.

Huckabee can't be elected. He's a big government conservative. They are on the endangered species list. Frankly they never should have existed in the first place but somehow one of them managed to lead the country for 8 years. But he got elected lying to the American people about being a small government guy when he actually wasn't.

 

[Bakunin]

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The "haves" are mostly Republican voters, the "have nots" are mostly democratic voters.

How would you define "have" in this case?

Since I have a stable job, stable budget, and can satisfy my needs as well as a few wants with relative ease, I'd consider myself a "have". However, depending on where you put that line, you could very easily classify me as being on the other side of it since I'm not exactly "livin' large".