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St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
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GB Puck Fan
It's A Great Day For Hockey
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
It certainly allowed me to attend...
Don't forget the great financial aid package $NC has.
It certainly allowed me to attend...
admiral0417
Registered User
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
The financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.
The financial aid packages are widening and will allow teams like SNC and Adrian (to name a couple) to dominate until something is done to even out the playing field. Currently, some competitive D3 teams can beat the SUNYAC schools by 10K or more per year!! With that in mind, it's even more amazing that SUNYAC was arguably the best conference in D3 hockey. Go figure.
Thanks Coach Emery!
admiral0417
Registered User
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
You're welcome lil' Nub !! SNC is like the big, fat bully kid stealing everybody's lunch money. Don't be surprised when the rest of us learn self-defense and Kung-Fu your arse !!!
You're welcome lil' Nub !! SNC is like the big, fat bully kid stealing everybody's lunch money. Don't be surprised when the rest of us learn self-defense and Kung-Fu your arse !!!
bakdraft21
Well-known member
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
...but you still have to win the games.
dont know much about the $$$ thing but it would make sense that a small private school could have a little more,throat clear,wiggle room
...but you still have to win the games.MW4Bucky&SNC
Done with Winter
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
Bait only works when the fish bite. When you troll around and the fish wonder "what is that ridiculous looking thing?" it isn't going to catch anything.
admiral0417
Registered User
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
I'm patient !!
I'm patient !!
Blugold Hockey
Registered User
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
I love how every year the winning team gets brought down about something. When UWEC won it all, the controversy was the Division I transfers (they all didn't transfer in the course of just one year like people make it sound BTW). Now people are focusing on the "financial aid" of the current Champions. How about instead we take a look at what separates one program from another and talk about the coaching? SNC's Head Coach is probably one of the best coaches in all of college hockey. To be able to identify, recruit / build, and consistently win at the level that this program has is incredible. I don't care if they're giving away a free education, you still need to be able to find a player with talent that also fits the academic profile of the institution, convince them to commit, and then coach / teach the team to win. As easy as it sounds I'm guessing the work that goes into the process isn't as easy as dialing a player up and asking them what they're up to next year and then just call the kids number and tell them their up next. Financials may be part of the story and if there is something going on, in today's age with technology and people's capability to uncover information it will be a matter of time before something will come up if there is anything going on. However, at the end of the day it's the Head Coach and its staff that has truly built this program into the power that it is and instead of focusing on the financial aid aspect, maybe start to look at your own program and ask why aren't they working harder to identify the players that can afford to go to your school. Out of the millions of options for players out there, SNC is still only limited to just 30 of them.
I love how every year the winning team gets brought down about something. When UWEC won it all, the controversy was the Division I transfers (they all didn't transfer in the course of just one year like people make it sound BTW). Now people are focusing on the "financial aid" of the current Champions. How about instead we take a look at what separates one program from another and talk about the coaching? SNC's Head Coach is probably one of the best coaches in all of college hockey. To be able to identify, recruit / build, and consistently win at the level that this program has is incredible. I don't care if they're giving away a free education, you still need to be able to find a player with talent that also fits the academic profile of the institution, convince them to commit, and then coach / teach the team to win. As easy as it sounds I'm guessing the work that goes into the process isn't as easy as dialing a player up and asking them what they're up to next year and then just call the kids number and tell them their up next. Financials may be part of the story and if there is something going on, in today's age with technology and people's capability to uncover information it will be a matter of time before something will come up if there is anything going on. However, at the end of the day it's the Head Coach and its staff that has truly built this program into the power that it is and instead of focusing on the financial aid aspect, maybe start to look at your own program and ask why aren't they working harder to identify the players that can afford to go to your school. Out of the millions of options for players out there, SNC is still only limited to just 30 of them.
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
Some of us are jealous of the success that St. Norbert had recruiting top talent every year from the top junior leagues. Speaking of the NAHL I can not understand why more eastern teams don't go after players in that league. Most of the NAHL teams are in the mid-west but the Johnstown Tomahawks (PA) would appear close enough to give eastern teams a look at the talent. Maybe this occurs already. Maybe the fishing will improve for the D3 teams I follow: Castleton, Norwich, Middlebury, and Plattsburgh.
Some of us are jealous of the success that St. Norbert had recruiting top talent every year from the top junior leagues. Speaking of the NAHL I can not understand why more eastern teams don't go after players in that league. Most of the NAHL teams are in the mid-west but the Johnstown Tomahawks (PA) would appear close enough to give eastern teams a look at the talent. Maybe this occurs already. Maybe the fishing will improve for the D3 teams I follow: Castleton, Norwich, Middlebury, and Plattsburgh.
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
I am not sure I even want to get involved here....
There is no question SNC has done an excellent job recruiting for a team, and preparing that team to execute at a very high level. But to insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid in some manner is ridiculous.
IMO, one of the biggest reasons more eastern teams don't have recruits from these western leagues is that recruiting budgets have been cut for many schools. Greater distances from schools equates to more cost, so most schools try to maximize their dollars by staying closer to home. When things were better, you would see more western Canadians on rosters (Norwich during the early 2000's for example). And as someone else cited, the eastern junior leagues have become somewhat watered down.
In any case, it shouldn't be a surprise that SNC has more westerners. It's closer and their coach certainly has contacts there.
I am not sure I even want to get involved here....
There is no question SNC has done an excellent job recruiting for a team, and preparing that team to execute at a very high level. But to insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid in some manner is ridiculous.
IMO, one of the biggest reasons more eastern teams don't have recruits from these western leagues is that recruiting budgets have been cut for many schools. Greater distances from schools equates to more cost, so most schools try to maximize their dollars by staying closer to home. When things were better, you would see more western Canadians on rosters (Norwich during the early 2000's for example). And as someone else cited, the eastern junior leagues have become somewhat watered down.
In any case, it shouldn't be a surprise that SNC has more westerners. It's closer and their coach certainly has contacts there.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
To insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid is IMO, teasing - financial aid is just a tool in the tool box, but the biggest factor in St Norbert's (and Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, etc) quality is coaching and
this.
To insinuate they are somehow manipulating aid is IMO, teasing - financial aid is just a tool in the tool box, but the biggest factor in St Norbert's (and Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, etc) quality is coaching and
this.
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pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
The NAHL has really emerged as a hotbed of hockey talent in recent years..not only for D3, but D1 also....need to recruit where the talent is...
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
into a firm lineup....good example this year was rookie forward Ross Pavek...he got a few early starts, but Coghlin told him to take a few pounds off during the semester break, and he came back lighter, with more speed. He became a regular on the 4th line to the end of the season.
100% agree, I get to many SNC practices and the coaches really have a very focused approach to preparing the team to play each year...they are very good at putting the forward lines together...experiment early in the season and than lock
into a firm lineup....good example this year was rookie forward Ross Pavek...he got a few early starts, but Coghlin told him to take a few pounds off during the semester break, and he came back lighter, with more speed. He became a regular on the 4th line to the end of the season.
elbojpb
Well-known member
Please Read & Learn
Please Read & Learn
If more of us posted rational thoughts ala Blugold, rather than incriminating innuendo, this Forum would be semi-useful. Now it's like reaching in the toilet for a nickel.
Please Read & Learn
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If more of us posted rational thoughts ala Blugold, rather than incriminating innuendo, this Forum would be semi-useful. Now it's like reaching in the toilet for a nickel.
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
Bluegold Hockey deserves post of the year. You completely get it that a consistent National Championship team or an upper echelon team for that matter requires many things including past success which breeds more success, great coaching and recruiting, hard working players that buy into systems, etc. You understand this because you witnessed what Eau Claire has done to go from a bottom of the league regular to a consistent upper echelon team that is competitive yearly. It is nice to see posters that get it vs. the constant whiners who come up with excuses for their teams performances.
Bluegold Hockey deserves post of the year. You completely get it that a consistent National Championship team or an upper echelon team for that matter requires many things including past success which breeds more success, great coaching and recruiting, hard working players that buy into systems, etc. You understand this because you witnessed what Eau Claire has done to go from a bottom of the league regular to a consistent upper echelon team that is competitive yearly. It is nice to see posters that get it vs. the constant whiners who come up with excuses for their teams performances.
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
The thing that separated SNC from the others this past weekend was their tenacity and their conditioning. As hard as they battled Geneseo on Friday they looked like they could play another game right away. The amount of effort that goes into achieving the kind of conditioning and chemistry that they have while still maintaining a good GPA is astronomical. Coach Coghling has every little detail figured out and he must be one heck of a salesman to get those guys to buy into what he is selling.
If I was an SNC fan I wouldn't worry too much. Oswego has been subject to whining from some Platty fans about their financial aid in recent years which they no longer offer and low and behold they were SUNYAC champions and in the Final Four again. Geneseo has actually gotten better since they dropped their aid package to Canadians so just maybe the coaches and the school does have something to do with a teams success.
The thing that separated SNC from the others this past weekend was their tenacity and their conditioning. As hard as they battled Geneseo on Friday they looked like they could play another game right away. The amount of effort that goes into achieving the kind of conditioning and chemistry that they have while still maintaining a good GPA is astronomical. Coach Coghling has every little detail figured out and he must be one heck of a salesman to get those guys to buy into what he is selling.
If I was an SNC fan I wouldn't worry too much. Oswego has been subject to whining from some Platty fans about their financial aid in recent years which they no longer offer and low and behold they were SUNYAC champions and in the Final Four again. Geneseo has actually gotten better since they dropped their aid package to Canadians so just maybe the coaches and the school does have something to do with a teams success.
admiral0417
Registered User
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
I'm sure SNC isn't breaking any NCAA recruiting rules. I don't think anyone believes that they are. What this whole thing is about is the ability of SNC to make and education/hockey career less expensive for top flight D3 recruits. Nothing more. As long as they follow the guidelines set forth by the NCAA, they're not doing anything wrong.
The rest of us only wish the pendulum swings back our way a bit. Until then, there's not much of a doubt where the blue-chippers are headed. SNC and a few others, have made a significant commitment to their hockey programs. That starts at the very top of the institution. THey should be applauded for that. SNC has become the model program in D3.
I'm sure SNC isn't breaking any NCAA recruiting rules. I don't think anyone believes that they are. What this whole thing is about is the ability of SNC to make and education/hockey career less expensive for top flight D3 recruits. Nothing more. As long as they follow the guidelines set forth by the NCAA, they're not doing anything wrong.
The rest of us only wish the pendulum swings back our way a bit. Until then, there's not much of a doubt where the blue-chippers are headed. SNC and a few others, have made a significant commitment to their hockey programs. That starts at the very top of the institution. THey should be applauded for that. SNC has become the model program in D3.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
It's official...St. Norbert is the new Middlebury.
But lets remember it all goes in cycles, look at where Middlebury is right now...coming off its fourth straight season of .500 hockey.
It's official...St. Norbert is the new Middlebury.
But lets remember it all goes in cycles, look at where Middlebury is right now...coming off its fourth straight season of .500 hockey.
pete99race
Rocking 'The Stone'
Re: St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top
It helps when the SNC president regularly attends the FF with the team!!