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St. Norbert 2013-14 - a new mountain to climb on the way back to the top

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admiral0417 said:
The rest of us only wish the pendulum swings back our way a bit. Until then, there's not much of a doubt where the blue-chippers are headed.
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What does that even mean? The rest of who? Speak for yourself, brah. Chris Brooks took Point from being dog crap to the national title game in three years and last I checked Point is a state school with one Canadian on the roster. Which way is the pendulum pointed in that case? Maybe just maybe it just always happens to point in the direction of coaches and schools that are good at what they do.
 
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BetterInLakePlacid said:
What does that even mean? The rest of who? Speak for yourself, brah. Chris Brooks took Point from being dog crap to the national title game in three years and last I checked Point is a state school with one Canadian on the roster. Which way is the pendulum pointed in that case? Maybe just maybe it just always happens to point in the direction of coaches and schools that are good at what they do.
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To me it starts with the head coach, Brooks has done a great job in a very short time in getting the Pointers back into the national discussion for recognition as a top team in the country..
 
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I know most of Oswego's ice crew, and other off ice personnel including score keepers, the PA guy Bill Foley, and the goal judges all attend as many of the road games as possible and I know that kind of support has an effect on where guys choose to play. With all others factors being equal money will often be the deciding factor but lets face it, all other factors are not equal, some coaches and schools do a better job than others at getting top players and the right players.
 
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admiral0417 said:
I'm sure SNC isn't breaking any NCAA recruiting rules. I don't think anyone believes that they are. What this whole thing is about is the ability of SNC to make and education/hockey career less expensive for top flight D3 recruits. Nothing more. As long as they follow the guidelines set forth by the NCAA, they're not doing anything wrong.

The rest of us only wish the pendulum swings back our way a bit. Until then, there's not much of a doubt where the blue-chippers are headed. SNC and a few others, have made a significant commitment to their hockey programs. That starts at the very top of the institution. THey should be applauded for that. SNC has become the model program in D3.
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Good luck lol
 
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BetterInLakePlacid said:
What does that even mean? The rest of who? Speak for yourself, brah. Chris Brooks took Point from being dog crap to the national title game in three years and last I checked Point is a state school with one Canadian on the roster. Which way is the pendulum pointed in that case? Maybe just maybe it just always happens to point in the direction of coaches and schools that are good at what they do.
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What's with the hostility....BRAH ? Not sure how you took such offense to a compliment paid to SNC. I'm a Plattsburgh State guy, I'd be glad to compare our programs' accomplishments vs. those of Stevens Point as far as "the direction of coaches and schools that are good at what they do". Who said anything about Canadian's on the roster?

Note: Bob Emery took our program which was suspended from post season play to the National Championship game in TWO years.....and WON vs. none other than Stevens Point !!
 
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Early in the season, we were scratching our heads would this roster come together. Coglin and his entire staff do an amazing job of bringing a team together; he has stated time and time again this year there is no one superstar on this team. Watch the little things like our team doesn't hang on the boards during their rotation, they are sitting on the bench in prep for their next rotation. This team does not run out of gas in the third period. This team travels in a suit and tie, not team sweats. Overall it's all the little things and I'm sure alot of big ones that lead to a team with high demands and expectations and boy did they perform again this year.
 
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hawk said:
Very impressive effort in the final 4 by St. Norbert. I was just curious what Junior A leagues the St. Norbert players came from and here is the breakdown:
BCHL 5
OJHL 2
NAHL 11
AJHL 2
Sweden 1
USHL 4

I surprised how few players came from the OJHL since there are so many programs throughout the province. But you just don't see many D3 teams in the east bring in players from the BCHL and the USHL like St. Norbert does. I am very impressed by the recruiting efforts of Coach Coghlin and wonder how he gets it done every year. Green Bay must be a place where guys want to go to play hockey. I assume Adrien tries to recruit the same way. Very impressed by the level of play out west.
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thats a nice brkdwn,20 players from the top 3 Jr leagues,thats how ya win,different stytles of play in each league I am sure, but overall these 3 leagues r the best with most player going D1.After that its up to the coach and the school to make things work, and that they have done very well in the recent past,along with other west teams,the east will have to deal with it and CATCH UP OR SHUT UP...
 
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Pink Pony said:
Would coach Coughlin consider a move to D1?
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I would think so but it would have to be the right offer. There were serious talks with Alaska in '99, but IIRC, Alaska wasn't funding the full complement of scholarships at the time and that was a factor in him not taking the job.

It would be an usual jump to go from D3 to D1 head coach. Most of the D1 head coaches were either D1 assistants or USHL head coaches. I don't get the sense (or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part) that he would leave for either an assistant job at a top D1 school or head coach at a lower tier school. I don't know how much he makes at SNC, but either of those scenarios I just described would likely be a pay cut.

And, is it worth it to him to move up to D1 to be an assistant? There's always that challenge that coaches find appealing. At this point, it doesn't seem to be an immediate 'need' for him. That said, if someone along the tier of a Big Ten team or someone like a Nodak called, he'd have to consider it. IMO.
 
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GB Puck Fan said:
I would think so but it would have to be the right offer. There were serious talks with Alaska in '99, but IIRC, Alaska wasn't funding the full complement of scholarships at the time and that was a factor in him not taking the job.

It would be an usual jump to go from D3 to D1 head coach. Most of the D1 head coaches were either D1 assistants or USHL head coaches. I don't get the sense (or maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part) that he would leave for either an assistant job at a top D1 school or head coach at a lower tier school. I don't know how much he makes at SNC, but either of those scenarios I just described would likely be a pay cut.

And, is it worth it to him to move up to D1 to be an assistant? There's always that challenge that coaches find appealing. At this point, it doesn't seem to be an immediate 'need' for him. That said, if someone along the tier of a Big Ten team or someone like a Nodak called, he'd have to consider it. IMO.
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On the radio show he was on tonight, he said he is off to a long recruiting trip...western Canada maybe??
 
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pete99race said:
On the radio show he was on tonight, he said he is off to a long recruiting trip...western Canada maybe??
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Are the Western Canadian Junior leagues still playing this late in the season? I know it will never happen but I am wonder if any eastern D3 teams would hire part time scouts to check the teams in the SJHL, AJHL, and BCHL. At the very least I think they could zero in of the top talents not going to D1. But guys in the know claim that most of the top D3 teams are going after the same players with $$$ being the deciding factor in most cases. But it obvious that Coach Couglin puts the time and effort in to build a great program. One of the things I have noticed about Western teams that they only seem to have 4-5 scorer types with the rest being big, strong, complementary players.
 
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joecct said:
How many D3->D1 coaching moves have been successful?
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George Gwozdecky; UWRF - Denver
Norm Bazin; Hamilton - UMass - Lowell
Mike Eaves; UW - Eau Claire - UW - Madison (OK so he had a few stops after he was at UWEC)


IMO the top tier DIII Coaches do not get the looks that they deserve. Here you have a talent pool that proves that they can recruit, graduate student athletes, and win at an extremely high level with nowhere near the resources that the upper junior leagues have, yet they are never mentioned for even mid level Division I jobs. I think it's hilarious that the answer at the Division I level is that you need a coach who has been coaching in Juniors to build a successful program, when the last time I checked you can't trade or draft players at the college level.
 
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joecct said:
How many D3->D1 coaching moves have been successful?
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And Mazzoleni had a few assistant stops after UWSP before taking Harvard to the NCAAs... but not directly to a head coaching job. I guess my point on Coghlin was I'm not sure he'd leave now for an assistant D1 job. No inside knowledge, BTW, just my take.
 
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