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SCOTUS 15: Help Us, Ruth Bader Ginsburg! You're Our Only Hope!

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LynahFan said:
I submit to the court in my defense that this usage has entered the common vernacular and is therefore no longer exclusively the intellectual property of the aforementioned Mr. Tufnel. Unless perhaps he would wish to enter into evidence any affirmative steps that he has undertaken to defend his IP claim? ;-P
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The court notes Mr. Tufnel's work was part of a copyrighted work; however, the court takes your brief under advisement and does note "common vernacular".


Given Mr. Tufnel is British, were we to wear wigs during this discourse? :-D
 
I am of two minds on this:

1) At this point I don't see how the NCAA can justify the way things are

2) Any interest I have in major college sports will die with the coming changes

I can barely stomach it as is but what college football and basketball will become will be even more boring and lame than it is now.
 
Hopefully the factory programs will just cease to exist.

The NC$$ was a good idea but it was destroyed as soon as the money became big.

End "college" football and basketball and force those cartels to pay for the development of their own minor leagues. Leave baseball and hockey the way they are since the money isn't big enough for it to matter.

I look forward to every "university" that sold out on academics for sports money to be bankrupted by its athletic payroll. Fuck. You.
 
Handyman said:
I am of two minds on this:

1) At this point I don't see how the NCAA can justify the way things are

2) Any interest I have in major college sports will die with the coming changes

I can barely stomach it as is but what college football and basketball will become will be even more boring and lame than it is now.
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As far as football and basketball are concerned, my interest largely died years ago. For decades now the NCAA has been a de facto minor league system for those two sports, which takes economic advantage of the participants in exchange for academic and disciplinary double standards.
 
Kepler said:
Hopefully the factory programs will just cease to exist.

The NC$$ was a good idea but it was destroyed as soon as the money became big.

End "college" football and basketball and force those cartels to pay for the development of their own minor leagues. Leave baseball and hockey the way they are since the money isn't big enough for it to matter.

I look forward to every "university" that sold out on academics for sports money to be bankrupted by its athletic payroll. Fuck. You.
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None of this is going to happen. The NBA has the G League already and no one cares about that and the NFL would have started a league already if it was viable. No one cares about minor league football ask the USFL, the AAAF and the 2 time loser that was the XFL. College Football is a free feeder system for the NFL and the NFL even decides who can and cannot make themselves eligible. They will do everything they can to make sure that doesn't change.

It will be interesting to see the fallout from all of this. The G5 schools in football might be better off dropping to FCS (or creating a new subdivision) because they are dead teams walking. In college basketball it is going to be the wild friggin west. This crap is going to be unwatchable.
 
Handyman said:
The G5 schools in football might be better off dropping to FCS (or creating a new subdivision) because they are dead teams walking.
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I see the bottom 1/3 of FBS and the top 1/3 of FCS forming a tier so we'll end up with: today's P5, this new tier (of G5 and top FCS), a reformed FCS with fewer scholarships, and non-scholly ball (Pioneer League).


Handyman said:
In college basketball it is going to be the wild friggin west. This crap is going to be unwatchable.
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It has been?
 
LynahFan said:
Whoa. Not to often you see a literal game-changer at SCOTUS....

Cutting of minor sports will be amped up to 11 as Athletic Depts enter a new arms race of using that money to pay football and basketball players instead.
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The US Olympic Committee probably isn't going to be thrilled.
 
Handyman said:
None of this is going to happen.
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It will happen when there's a free market for athletic talent. The Big Ten and the Pac Ten made sense when the labor was free, but now those incoming freshmen are going to be looking at millions. The best of them tens of millions.

40 schools can afford that. Nobody can afford to play them. No athlete is going to waste his time in a class and he doesn't have to. Notre Dame and USC and Michigan and the entire SEC will become de jure professional franchises rather than the de facto they have been for the last 50 years.

It actually may happen with the factory hockey programs, too. The academics was always a joke.
 
I could be wrong but it was my understanding this doesn't give schools permission to pay players, but rather players can now make money independently off their likeness, etc?
 
Slap Shot said:
I could be wrong but it was my understanding this doesn't give schools permission to pay players, but rather players can now make money independently off their likeness, etc?
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Yes I think this round is making money off EA Sports.

It's where it is moving. I am sure the next thing the NC$$ will try is to create the equivalent of a players union to negotiate with, and then screw the players by rigging it. Then individuals players will sue saying the union violates their freedom to make a living, and then the Lochner as-sholes on the Court are going to have to argue with a straight face that my god man they never meant that to apply to blackies, they were just using it to destroy labor unions.

It should be a fun 20 years. The money is so huge it won't go without a fight. The mendacity and hypocrisy by everyone will be High Comedy.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I could be wrong but it was my understanding this doesn't give schools permission to pay players, but rather players can now make money independently off their likeness, etc?
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It doesn't end the prohibition on direct pay (but only because the players didn't appeal, only the NCAA appealed, and the Court all but said had the players appealed, they would've gotten that right too), but it ends the prohibition on "excess educational spending," including paid internships. There are already hundreds of donors at every SEC school lining up to provide star QB a "paid internship" that earns them more than my annual salary.
 
unofan said:
It doesn't end the prohibition on direct pay (but only because the players didn't appeal, only the NCAA appealed, and the Court all but said had the players appealed, they would've gotten that right too), but it ends the prohibition on "excess educational spending," including paid internships. There are already hundreds of donors at every SEC school lining up to provide star QB a "paid internship" that earns them more than my annual salary.
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I think I heard on NPR that even these new “education-related” internships would have an annual limit of $6000.

$6000 is not a bad haul for a summer internship, but come nowhere close to getting the athletes the fair market value for their athletic services.
 
Yeah this ruling is basically telling the players to challenge the pay rules because SCOTUS has their back. (Kavanaugh's Quote doesn't even hide it) Amateurism* in major college sports is on it's death rattle.

Honestly (not that they would care what I think) I would rather my school drop out of the Big Ten then stick around for this. I have zero interest in watching what the product will be after 2025.

*obviously many of these schools havent been playing the game by the rules for decades and the NCAA barely cared
 
Handyman said:
Yeah this ruling is basically telling the players to challenge the pay rules because SCOTUS has their back. (Kavanaugh's Quote doesn't even hide it) Amateurism* in major college sports is on it's death rattle.

Honestly (not that they would care what I think) I would rather my school drop out of the Big Ten then stick around for this. I have zero interest in watching what the product will be after 2025.

*obviously many of these schools havent been playing the game by the rules for decades and the NCAA barely cared
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Nobody who has won a football or basketball title in the last 50 years played the game honestly. The "best" of the bunch are Stanford and Duke and they're both ridiculously corrupted. When you get to the perennial powers the fact that they are connected to a university would be a shock to 90% of the players.
 
Handyman said:
Yeah this ruling is basically telling the players to challenge the pay rules because SCOTUS has their back. (Kavanaugh's Quote doesn't even hide it) Amateurism* in major college sports is on it's death rattle.

Honestly (not that they would care what I think) I would rather my school drop out of the Big Ten then stick around for this. I have zero interest in watching what the product will be after 2025.

*obviously many of these schools havent been playing the game by the rules for decades and the NCAA barely cared
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I am absolutely nothing approaching even in the conversation about being knowledgeable about the SCOTUS, but I read a bunch of Kavanaugh's decision and came to the same conclusion. The finding seems specific and narrow, but the decisions put up a gigantic flag that this court is open to the dismantling of the NCAA structure.

So, based on that, I see the NCAA as having a couple of options:
  1. Lean into it. Get creative and find new ways to run that won't be struck down in the future. Be proactive and give players less incentive to sue, or at the last limit those that do to a smaller number.
  2. Fight! Kick, scream, challenge. And lose. (see: the record industry from 2000-2010).
The smart move is option 1, which means they'll choose option 2 and will be struggling for relevance in 20 years. Why learn from history when you can stick your finger in it's eye?
 
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