RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

On what basis was Quinn Orangeville's top scoring defenseman? He was not their top scorer either by points or points per game. http://orangeville.stats.pointstreak.com/teamplayerstats.html?teamid=58689&seasonid=4693 Was I supposed to include his stats before he signed with Orangeville?

I included his stats before Orangeville and calculated on a PPG basis (which to me, are both necessary to most accurately to represent one's scoring prowess).

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

I included his stats before Orangeville and calculated on a PPG basis (which to me, are both necessary to most accurately to represent one's scoring prowess).

That includes the time his father was coach and gave him phantom assists. (I read that all the time on the CCHL-OJAHL boards. )

 

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

That includes the time his father was coach and gave him phantom assists. (I read that all the time on the CCHL-OJAHL boards. )

That's true. If we only count his Orangeville numbers, I think he was #2 among d-men in PPG.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

That's true. If we only count his Orangeville numbers, I think he was #2 among d-men in PPG.

Collins and Scott had more. Also Van Dyk, who wasn't on the team at the end of the season, had more.

 

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Collins and Scott had more. Also Van Dyk, who wasn't on the team at the end of the season, had more.

Ok, I amend all my previous statements to be "one of Orangeville top d-men scorers". The part about being their best NHL prospect remains true, I think.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Heisenberg doesn't do reports, but he lists players in order based upon his opinions of their talent. (I assume he hasn't seen all of the players himself.) He ranks JL #1 in all of Ontario. You can count where Cross fits in. It is way below JL, Quinn, and Higgs, although above Leboeuf.

Granted if you look at lists from past years, he isn't always correct.

I dont agree. Not a big reason for his lists, I dont think for a second he has Trevor Van Riemsdyk behind Russo, Binkley, Scott, federico(please), Shea etc

The lists are lumped togather.

Not arguing but if your logic is true, It would be the worst rating effort I have ever seen. maybe he lists a couple up top that he knows or likes but i am under the impression his desire is a list, not ratings

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Start your own list. You're such a genius, why not share your wisdom with the world instead of constantly *****ing about it? Otherwise, shut up, please.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

no thanks

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Sounds about right.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

I dont agree. Not a big reason for his lists, I dont think for a second he has Trevor Van Riemsdyk behind Russo, Binkley, Scott, federico(please), Shea etc

The lists are lumped togather.

Not arguing but if your logic is true, It would be the worst rating effort I have ever seen. maybe he lists a couple up top that he knows or likes but i am under the impression his desire is a list, not ratings

Well, at least you can't accuse CH of being a homer since he is a UNH grad and fan.

I wrote CH about ten years ago, and he told me that he attempted to rank the recruits, but that was not the main purpose of the list and he did spend that much effort on the relative rankings. Also, the further that one got from the east, the less reliable the order is.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

it is a commit list. it stays the same and he does not move around even after 2 or 3 years.

 

[redhead18]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, I read on USHR that former RPI AC Shawn Kurulak is now coaching the Colorado Thunderbirds Midget AAA team. One of his players Dan Doremus just committed to Denver a few days ago, his older brother Tyler is a sophomore on the Skidmore hockey team.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Added Burlington's next game. (It's on the schedule.)

2010
Jacob Laliberté        C Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        48-58-45-103- 32 03/04/10
Brock Higgs           LW Kingston Voyageurs (OJAHL)   48-22-34- 56- 82
                         Playoffs                      5- 1- 4-  5-  4 03/07/10
                         Total                        53-23-38- 61- 86
Matt Tinordi          LW Olds Grizzlys (AJHL)         59-23-22- 45- 69
                         Playoffs                      3- 0- 1-  1-  2 season over
                         Total                        62-23-23- 46- 71
Nick Bailen           RD Indiana Ice (USHL)           45-12-21- 33- 58 03/05/10
Guy Leboeuf           LD Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        60- 8-18- 26- 64 03/04/10
Nick Quinn            LD Aurora Tigers (OJAHL)        10- 2- 7-  9-  6
                         Orangeville Crushers (CCHL)  27- 5- 6- 11- 20
                         Playoffs                      0- 0- 0-  0-  0 season over    
                         Total                        37- 7-13- 20- 26
Greg Burgdoerfer      RW not playing                   0- 0- 0-  0-  0

2010 or 2011
Luke Curadi           LD Penticton Vees (BCHL)        58- 7-10- 17- 98
                         Playoffs                      4- 0- 1-  1- 11 03/09/10
                         Total                        62- 7-11- 18-109
2011
Patrick Koudys        LD Burlington Cougars (CCHL)    50- 5-28- 33- 42
                         Playoffs                      8- 0- 1-  1- 16 03/06/10
                         Total                        58- 5-29- 34- 58


2010 women
Toni Sanders           F Susquehanna Rapids U19 Red   34-53- 9- 62- 38 03/06/10 missing game
                         West York HS Boys Team       18-27-19- 46-  ? 0?/??/10 missing game
                         Total                        52-80-28-108-  ?
Missy Mankey           F Hopkins HS Minnetonka MN     30-15- 9- 24- 24 0?/??/10 missing game
Jordan Smelker        LW Team Alaska U19              24-15-16- 31-  6 03/13/10
Madison Marzario      RD Shattuck St Mary's           20- 1- 9- 10- 48 03/05/10 missing 2 games

 

[Back check]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

I think CH's list includes some different factors other than performance: total # of schools reportedly interested in a player; age; potential; NHL interest; academic eligibility.

As far as ability/performance, Laliberté and Cross are both very good players. They were traded for each other straight-up. Cross has better #'s and was chosen Most Outstanding Player. For Laliberté to be "ranked" far ahead of Cross is a mystery.

Another example would be Quinn and Pratt (Clarkson/Wellington). Quinn has a lot of potential - he is young and skilled. For him to be rated ahead of Pratt on current ability/performance, would probably raise some eyebrows of knowledgeable hockey people.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

I think CH's list includes some different factors other than performance: total # of schools reportedly interested in a player; age; potential; NHL interest; academic eligibility.

As far as ability/performance, Laliberté and Cross are both very good players. They were traded for each other straight-up. Cross has better #'s and was chosen Most Outstanding Player. For Laliberté to be "ranked" far ahead of Cross is a mystery.

Another example would be Quinn and Pratt (Clarkson/Wellington). Quinn has a lot of potential - he is young and skilled. For him to be rated ahead of Pratt on current ability/performance, would probably raise some eyebrows of knowledgeable hockey people.

Contrary to those who think it is a serious effort, they are wrong. He does it to update where kids are going

They have kids who were drafted in the NHL and have 4/4's behind kids with no deals.

it is what it is, a great way to keep track of who is going where and what teams/schools are still looking and for what year

 

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Contrary to those who think it is a serious effort, they are wrong. He does it to update where kids are going

They have kids who were drafted in the NHL and have 4/4's behind kids with no deals.

it is what it is, a great way to keep track of who is going where and what teams/schools are still looking and for what year

You are dense. The list's primary function is a tracker. Because he has to pick some way to order the recruits, he chose to give them relative rankings based on his own subjective knowledge and factors. You disagree with many of his relative rankings.

Like Red Cloud said, if you have that big of a problem with it, go make your own list.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

You are dense. The list's primary function is a tracker. Because he has to pick some way to order the recruits, he chose to give them relative rankings based on his own subjective knowledge and factors. You disagree with many of his relative rankings.

Like Red Cloud said, if you have that big of a problem with it, go make your own list.

And you are not? Thats what I said.

 

[knsmith]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

And you are not? Thats what I said.

Right, and you were carrying on as if there is some problem. We all know that Heisenberg's list isn't perfect, yet you felt the need to keep pointing out problems with it over and over again.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

Right, and you were carrying on as if there is some problem. We all know that Heisenberg's list isn't perfect, yet you felt the need to keep pointing out problems with it over and over again.

No I didn't.
Simply stated that it was more a tracker of who is going where then a rating on kids ability.

And your mission and contribution to these threads is to keep pointing out over and over again that someone else is pointing out over and over again.>

sewing circle to the left

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

No I didn't.
Simply stated that it was more a tracker of who is going where then a rating on kids ability.

And your mission and contribution to these threads is to keep pointing out over and over again that someone else is pointing out over and over again.>

sewing circle to the left

Why don't you start a new thread on discussing Heisenberg's list if you need to discuss this further. This has diverged from a discussion of RPI recruits and potential recruits.