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RPI 2010 Recruiting III: Monty's Quest for the Holy Grail

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Ralph Baer said:
You wrote that the series will start then, not that it is scheduled for then. Schedules in junior leagues can change, especially before both teams are known. For example, sometimes one of the rinks is not available.

Yep, it's semantics. :D
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It was written by the guy who, IMO does the best job covering any team in Canadian juniors. If he says the next round will start the 9th in Penticton, thats where my money is.:p
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
It was written by the guy who, IMO does the best job covering any team in Canadian juniors. If he says the next round will start the 9th in Penticton, thats where my money is.:p
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My money is on it too, but it isn't money that I can't afford to lose. :D
 
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knsmith said:
The other thing I forgot to point out is that DC has a couple teammates in the top 10 of scoring (I believe), whereas JL has nowhere near that same support. I will check on the specific numbers later.
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Agreed. Tyler Tosunion (sp?) for one.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Heisenberg doesn't do reports, but he lists players in order based upon his opinions of their talent. (I assume he hasn't seen all of the players himself.) He ranks JL #1 in all of Ontario. You can count where Cross fits in. It is way below JL, Quinn, and Higgs, although above Leboeuf.

Granted if you look at lists from past years, he isn't always correct.
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Heisenberg also has Nick Quinn at #3. Quinn appears to have been a healthy scratch (I have found nothing reporting on injury) down the stretch for Orangeville and and he never set foot on the ice in the playoffs. The last time I saw his name in a box score I think was 1/25/10.

I don't at all mean to knock Quinn - I'm very glad he's ours..but I wonder how current H's rankings are...and whether he has revisited them lately.
 
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To make you happy WS ;), although
The early indication is that the series could start on Sunday in Kingston, go back to Trenton on Tuesday, Kingston on Thursday and Trenton on Friday, but none of those are confirmed. Stay tuned to the Vees website, local media outlets and the OJAHL website for the complete official schedule once it has been released.
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doesn't sound definite. :)
Code: 
2010
Jacob Laliberté        C Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        48-58-45-103- 32 03/04/10
Brock Higgs           LW Kingston Voyageurs (OJAHL)   48-22-34- 56- 82
                         Playoffs                      5- 1- 4-  5-  4 03/07/10
                         Total                        53-23-38- 61- 86
Matt Tinordi          LW Olds Grizzlys (AJHL)         59-23-22- 45- 69
                         Playoffs                      3- 0- 1-  1-  2 season over
                         Total                        62-23-23- 46- 71
Nick Bailen           RD Indiana Ice (USHL)           45-12-21- 33- 58 03/05/10
Guy Leboeuf           LD Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        60- 8-18- 26- 64 03/04/10
Nick Quinn            LD Aurora Tigers (OJAHL)        10- 2- 7-  9-  6
                         Orangeville Crushers (CCHL)  27- 5- 6- 11- 20
                         Playoffs                      0- 0- 0-  0-  0 season over    
                         Total                        37- 7-13- 20- 26
Greg Burgdoerfer      RW not playing                   0- 0- 0-  0-  0

2010 or 2011
Luke Curadi           LD Penticton Vees (BCHL)        58- 7-10- 17- 98
                         Playoffs                      4- 0- 1-  1- 11 03/09/10
                         Total                        62- 7-11- 18-109
2011
Patrick Koudys        LD Burlington Cougars (CCHL)    50- 5-28- 33- 42
                         Playoffs                      8- 0- 1-  1- 16 TBD
                         Total                        58- 5-29- 34- 58


2010 women
Toni Sanders           F Susquehanna Rapids U19 Red   34-53- 9- 62- 38 03/06/10 missing game
                         West York HS Boys Team       18-27-19- 46-  ? 0?/??/10 missing game
                         Total                        52-80-28-108-  ?
Missy Mankey           F Hopkins HS Minnetonka MN     30-15- 9- 24- 24 0?/??/10 missing game
Jordan Smelker        LW Team Alaska U19              24-15-16- 31-  6 03/13/10
Madison Marzario      RD Shattuck St Mary's           20- 1- 9- 10- 48 03/05/10 missing 2 games
 
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Ralph Baer said:
To make you happy WS ;), althoughdoesn't sound definite. :)
Code: 
2010
Jacob Laliberté        C Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        48-58-45-103- 32 03/04/10
Brock Higgs           LW Kingston Voyageurs (OJAHL)   48-22-34- 56- 82
                         Playoffs                      5- 1- 4-  5-  4 03/07/10
                         Total                        53-23-38- 61- 86
Matt Tinordi          LW Olds Grizzlys (AJHL)         59-23-22- 45- 69
                         Playoffs                      3- 0- 1-  1-  2 season over
                         Total                        62-23-23- 46- 71
Nick Bailen           RD Indiana Ice (USHL)           45-12-21- 33- 58 03/05/10
Guy Leboeuf           LD Cornwall Colts (CJHL)        60- 8-18- 26- 64 03/04/10
Nick Quinn            LD Aurora Tigers (OJAHL)        10- 2- 7-  9-  6
                         Orangeville Crushers (CCHL)  27- 5- 6- 11- 20
                         Playoffs                      0- 0- 0-  0-  0 season over    
                         Total                        37- 7-13- 20- 26
Greg Burgdoerfer      RW not playing                   0- 0- 0-  0-  0

2010 or 2011
Luke Curadi           LD Penticton Vees (BCHL)        58- 7-10- 17- 98
                         Playoffs                      4- 0- 1-  1- 11 03/09/10
                         Total                        62- 7-11- 18-109
2011
Patrick Koudys        LD Burlington Cougars (CCHL)    50- 5-28- 33- 42
                         Playoffs                      8- 0- 1-  1- 16 TBD
                         Total                        58- 5-29- 34- 58


2010 women
Toni Sanders           F Susquehanna Rapids U19 Red   34-53- 9- 62- 38 03/06/10 mssing game
                         West York HS Boys Team       18-27-19- 46-  ? 0?/??/10 missing game
                         Total                        52-80-28-108-  ?
Missy Mankey           F Hopkins HS Minnetonka MN     30-15- 9- 24- 24 0?/??/10 missing game
Jordan Smelker        LW Team Alaska U19              24-15-16- 31-  6 03/13/10
Madison Marzario      RD Shattuck St Mary's           20- 1- 9- 10- 48 03/05/10 missing 2 games
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Implied asterisk so noted RB. :p
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Heisenberg also has Nick Quinn at #3. Quinn appears to have been a healthy scratch (I have found nothing reporting on injury) down the stretch for Orangeville and and he never set foot on the ice in the playoffs. The last time I saw his name in a box score I think was 1/25/10.

I don't at all mean to knock Quinn - I'm very glad he's ours..but I wonder how current H's rankings are...and whether he has revisited them lately.
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I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.
 
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knsmith said:
I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.
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Yes to the first point. I found nothing at all on line.

As to the second, he sometimes revises the order from year to year among the players who remain. IIRC, however, Cross wasn't even listed until he committed to PC.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Agreed. Tyler Tosunion (sp?) for one.
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Pembroke's #2-4 scorers have 271 points, Cornwall's have 197.

I have little doubt that JL could have put up numbers every bit as impressive as Cross' (particularly given JL's inability to rack up big assist totals on Cornwall) despite being a year and a half younger than Cross.

While I am surprised that Heisenberg has Cross as low as he does, I don't think anybody really missed the boat by not recruiting him.
 
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knsmith said:
I think there's as little indicating that he is a healthy scratch as there is about him being injured. Are there any reports out of Orangeville that ever discussed injuries to anybody on the team (particularly since Quinn has been out)?

Heisenberg doesn't revise his rankings because they are neither comprehensive nor objective, but they are good to use as a rule of thumb.
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If memory serves Quinn last played in a game in January. I'll stand corrected, but I don't think he saw action after that.

My larger concern with Quinn is that he lost so much ice time... between switching teams after his father resigned in Aurora...and then healthy or not, no ice time down the stretch for the Crushers.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
If memory serves Quinn last played in a game in January. I'll stand corrected, but I don't think he saw action after that.

My larger concern with Quinn is that he lost so much ice time... between switching teams after his father resigned in Aurora...and then no ice time down the stretch for the Crushers.
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We're not arguing about when Quinn last played. We're arguing about whether he is injured. To me, when a team's top-scoring defenseman doesn't play for over a month (with no exceptions) it looks like injury.

The ONLY evidence to the contrary in any way is the fact that in the game prior to January 25, Quinn apparently had a bad giveaway that led to a breakaway goal.

Let me reiterate, though: Quinn was the team's top-scoring defenseman and arguably top NHL prospect. I have to think that he is injured.
 
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knsmith said:
We're not arguing about when Quinn last played. We're arguing about whether he is injured. To me, when a team's top-scoring defenseman doesn't play for over a month (with no exceptions) it looks like injury.

The ONLY evidence to the contrary in any way is the fact that in the game prior to January 25, Quinn apparently had a bad giveaway that led to a breakaway goal.

Let me reiterate, though: Quinn was the team's top-scoring defenseman and arguably top NHL prospect. I have to think that he is injured.
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Regardless of why he didn't play, the lack of ice time hurts him, IMO.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Regardless of why he didn't play, the lack of ice time hurts him, IMO.
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I agree that more ice time would be better than less, but I'm not overly concerned about it. He'll be by a long shot our youngest defenseman next year (Bergin: RS Soph, Bailen: RS Soph, Curadi: a year older than Quinn, LeBoeuf: year and a half older, Brutlag/Kennedy/Foss: all seniors) so my expectations for him were going to be limited despite Heisenberg's lofty rating. I don't think we were going to ask him to step in and contribute right away anyways.

He really only missed about 10 possible games, given Orangeville's early playoff exit. He's grown up playing probably 80 games per year on average for the past 10 years, so I'm not especially concerned about him missing a dozen or so games down the stretch in the grand scheme of things.
 
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knsmith said:
I agree that more ice time would be better than less, but I'm not overly concerned about it. He'll be by a long shot our youngest defenseman next year (Bergin: RS Soph, Bailen: RS Soph, Curadi: a year older than Quinn, LeBoeuf: year and a half older, Brutlag/Kennedy/Foss: all seniors) so my expectations for him were going to be limited despite Heisenberg's lofty rating. I don't think we were going to ask him to step in and contribute right away anyways.

He really only missed about 10 possible games, given Orangeville's early playoff exit. He's grown up playing probably 80 games per year on average for the past 10 years, so I'm not especially concerned about him missing a dozen or so games down the stretch in the grand scheme of things.
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I agree, but there is a question as to why he didn't play. If he was sick or injured (assuming not truly serious), it's not a problem. If he was a healthy scratch, the question is why?
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree, but there is a question as to why he didn't play. If he was sick or injured (assuming not truly serious), it's not a problem. If he was a healthy scratch, the question is why?
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Like I said, the only indication that we have of his play is that article from before he stopped playing where it said he made a bad giveaway that led to a goal. If he got benched for that, after being the team's leading scorer, without being given a chance to redeem himself, that says a lot more about the coach than the player. (the same coach who led the team to a terrible run heading into the playoffs - starting roughly when Quinn got benched/hurt - and a timid exit from the playoffs)
 
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knsmith said:
Like I said, the only indication that we have of his play is that article from before he stopped playing where it said he made a bad giveaway that led to a goal. If he got benched for that, after being the team's leading scorer, without being given a chance to redeem himself, that says a lot more about the coach than the player. (the same coach who led the team to a terrible run heading into the playoffs - starting roughly when Quinn got benched/hurt - and a timid exit from the playoffs)
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If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
JMO
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
JMO
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I agree, more evidence that he must be hurt.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
If he was benched for a giveaway, it would have been for a game or two at most.
You don't punish your top scoring defenseman for the rest of the year for a giveaway.
JMO
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On what basis was Quinn Orangeville's top scoring defenseman? He was not their top scorer either by points or points per game. http://orangeville.stats.pointstreak.com/teamplayerstats.html?teamid=58689&seasonid=4693 Was I supposed to include his stats before he signed with Orangeville?
 
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