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[LtPowers]

Re: Rit

Its not about students, its all about the amount of money the administration is willing to scrap together to compete at the D1 level.

More students = more money to scrape together. =) Though I agree there's no reason a large private university can't remain at DIII.


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[Purpie_and_Goldie]

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Dear Russell,

Don't be so sure about that one. Why not stick to DIII men's hockey and leave DI stuff to those who know something about it? Of course, that would make too much sense.

I now gladly return you to your RIT bashing. Can't say I've missed this side of the forum that much since we left.

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Don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out

 

[Tom Naeger]

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An RIT thread. This spells disaster.

Nope, now it spells disaster for I am posting on the topic...

And....they were never wrong. (Just ask them!)

You are correct about that, we were never wrong, but I'd like to point out that Remy was wrong about the D-I Move, AGAIN!!!

4 Regular Season Conference Titles in 5 years (3 out right)
1 AHA Tourament Championship
1 NCAA Regional Championship Torphy
1 Very Awesome Frozen Four...

Include Wins against: Minnesota, Cornell X2, Denver, St. Lawrence,UNH, Quinnipiac, and Western Michigan

To bad we have no chance at this DI thing, you think we'd get more love from D-III fans for showing what D-III teams can do, but will think of you all in our brand new arena in a few years

I am also willing to trade you Westside Tiger Fan for anyone from the D-III Board. Is that Hockeyman guy from Manhattanville still around??? Westside Story Fan, what are you doing?? I have to hand it to you, you had some posts over the years that have blown my mind, but why would you dump of Russell for defending RIT???

PS....It is werid though, I go down to Elmira and am treated very well now, they even buy me drinks!!

 

[Purpie_and_Goldie]

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Nope, now it spells disaster for I am posting on the topic...



4 Regular Season Conference Titles in 5 years (3 out right)
1 AHA Tourament Championship
1 NCAA Regional Championship Torphy
1 Very Awesome Frozen Four...

Include Wins against: Minnesota, Cornell X2, Denver, St. Lawrence,UNH, Quinnipiac, and Western Michigan

What I see is a handful of quality wins over multiple years while being packed in a conference of mediocre Div. I teams. Most of these teams in the AHA would split with the Oswego's, SNC's and Elmira's of the world. Not impressive at all.

Your 8-1 beat down by Wisconsin on the national stage is not blowing my skirt up.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Rit

What I see is a handful of quality wins over multiple years while being packed in a conference of mediocre Div. I teams. Most of these teams in the AHA would split with the Oswego's, SNC's and Elmira's of the world. Not impressive at all.

Your 8-1 beat down by Wisconsin on the national stage is not blowing my skirt up.

And right after that game, Miami got the beat down by Boston College on the national stage, 7-1. So, by your logic, Miami never should be D1 either...

 

[Tom Naeger]

Re: Rit

What I see is a handful of quality wins over multiple years while being packed in a conference of mediocre Div. I teams. Most of these teams in the AHA would split with the Oswego's, SNC's and Elmira's of the world. Not impressive at all.

Your 8-1 beat down by Wisconsin on the national stage is not blowing my skirt up.

Well try gold panties instead of Purple. After beating Denver and then dominating UNH that was disappointing not to be competitive against Wisconsin. However it was very understandable given the extra super bowl bye week that RIT had before that game. All the extra attention the team got and the extra time Wisconsin had to prepare for them made it a big undertaken, but am not going to sugar coat it was disappointing....

HOWEVER, take your D-III blinders off and stop smoking whatever the heck you smoking. For RIT to make the Frozen Four in it�s forth year of D-I full membership is an unbelievable accomplishment. Your statement shows you no nothing about D-I Hockey. The achievement well amazing was something that was coming for the AHA. Just the year before Air Force was an OT away from advancing to the Frozen Four, that same year Bemidji State showed how far conferences like the CHA (which now is gone, and two of the teams are in the AHA) and the AHA has come by advancing to the Frozen Four. Despite playing many games early in the season and on the road AHA teams have been playing better and picking up impressive wins against the other big name conferences. RIT and Air Force has been pushing the conference and they been getting better and better. While some teams like Sacred Heart, Bentley, and Canisius need to invest more money into their programs, it is clear that the AHA is a much stronger conference.

I feel free to speak for all of the RIT old time posters that no one regrets leaving D-III. Yes we do miss a big time rival like Elmira, but I think Niagara will take care of that in the very near future. The Ritter is packed every night, hardly any game is not a sell out, and every game is packed like the old Elmira games. Instead of getting that 2 maybe 3 times a season, you get that every night. The team is the talk of campus much more than when they were in D-III. The celebration at 1am on Campus the night after RIT won the Albany Regional was a mad scene and something even I did not see coming. The only thing close to that was the 1985 celebration of the D-III Title. Every RIT home game is broadcast now in HD and we had our first national tv game from CBS College Sports live from the Ritter.

You all really sound like little puppies barking for attention at the feet of the big dog, or I guess in this case a big cat... Shut your mouths, its embarrassing...

Miss me?????

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Thanks for the memories. While there are plenty of people around who were associated and/or followed RIT in the Division III days, we are a minority now. It really is very different. I think the majority of fans have come on board in the last five years and have limited understanding of the past.

But even those of us who spent many years with the Tigers in D-III will tell you that they would not trade a spot in the Frozen Four for any amount of D-III titles. I didn't think that would be the case, but after going through both, it definitely is.

That, and to a lessor extent the success in the AHA (four regular season titles in five seasons) has dramatically changed the impact of the program on both a local and national level. A new rink, 10,000 fans at a home game, the Cinderella run, the way RIT's fans owned Detroit, just would not have been possible with out some people who had the vision to see what folks like me could not. No way do over a 1,000 people show up at 2am to meet the team coming back from Albany, or fill the Blue Cross. No way do all the games get televised, including some nationally. No way does a player go from a rookie defenseman one season to playing a regular shift in the NHL the next.

It is different, and in this case, much better. A school with 15,000 students should be D-I in all sports, frankly.

But that doesn't take away the affection I and some of the old-timers have for D-III hockey. I miss it a lot. I still worry about the ECAC West. I love seeing the crowds at Utica but worry about the declining attendance elsewhere. And I wish the NCAA selection process was different. Using the D-I format would be a step in the right direction. Actually, it would solve the problem.

So yeah, I'm still lurking around here. Good luck to all the teams left in the hunt.

I could not have said it better Chris, especially about feeling for D-III. Since the hand of irony touch me and becoming engaged to a wonderful lady from the Elmira area I have gone to a couple Elmira games and I also stopped at a Genny game on my way to Elmira. And I still see my old friend at Buff State for a few games each year. So I should take a second from my rant to say to my level headed and classy D-III Friends I do miss you guys, even though RIT is in a better place now...

Did what I just say sound like RIT Died?????

 

[Purpie_and_Goldie]

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And right after that game, Miami got the beat down by Boston College on the national stage, 7-1. So, by your logic, Miami never should be D1 either...

I never equated my statement to whether they should have wen't DI or not. However, if you look at RIT's schedule in past seasons, every time they step outside the AHA they lose (excluded the handful of wins already mentioned above). Sure they had a miracle run in the tournament, but more often then not when up against quality DI programs they get speedbagged. My point is simply that pumping your tires against American International and Holy Cross and puffing your chest out because of it-- It just doesn't go very far with me.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Rit

I never equated my statement to whether they should have wen't DI or not. However, if you look at RIT's schedule in past seasons, every time they step outside the AHA they lose (excluded the handful of wins already mentioned above). Sure they had a miracle run in the tournament, but more often then not when up against quality DI programs they get speedbagged. My point is simply that pumping your tires against American International and Holy Cross and puffing your chest out because of it-- It just doesn't go very far with me.

Yeah, going up against North Dakota was a worthless exercise...

 

[norm1909]

Re: Rit

,,. For RIT to make the Frozen Four in it's forth year of D-I full membership is an unbelievable accomplishment...

Darn near as unbelievable as Adrian's run - except Adrian started from scratch

 

[LtPowers]

Re: Rit

My point is simply that pumping your tires against American International and Holy Cross and puffing your chest out because of it-- It just doesn't go very far with me.

Dude... six years. It's only been six years. RIT is progressing and getting better every year. These things take time.


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[Tom Naeger]

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I never equated my statement to whether they should have wen't DI or not. However, if you look at RIT's schedule in past seasons, every time they step outside the AHA they lose (excluded the handful of wins already mentioned above). Sure they had a miracle run in the tournament, but more often then not when up against quality DI programs they get speedbagged. My point is simply that pumping your tires against American International and Holy Cross and puffing your chest out because of it-- It just doesn't go very far with me.

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong

1) They have won outside of the AHA, and also have recorded ties against some very good teams. Including wins over ranked teams. Most of the out of league games come early in the season and on the road. So RIT is at a disadvantage, but there have been very few games were RIT has been blown out. They have had some tough luck, including a weekend last season in North Country where they completely dominated Saint Lawerence but lost to a hot goaltender. Then played well but had some tough luck against Clarkson. RIT has been in a lot more games then they been blown out of...

2) How do you call it a miracle run it was amazing run, but its not a miracle when you beat UNH 6-2.

3) No one is pumping their chest over the bottom of the league teams, but when you look at the quality of the league this year and the unbalance schedule from the pod schedule its amazing RIT, losing a heck of a lot from last year team was able to lock up another regular season title having to play teams like Air Force, Mercyhurst, Niagara, and Robert Morris. This was a very tough pod and mark my words if the Big Ten Hockey Conference is form, the teams left out will be very happy to add any of these teams to their conference.

And just a suggestion, worry more about the NCAA Tourament coming up. Elmira has had a lot more problems in the NCAA than RIT has in the last couple of years

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Rit

And just a suggestion, worry more about the NCAA Tourament coming up. Elmira has had a lot more problems in the NCAA than RIT has in the last couple of years

We'll just have to send Plattsburgh up to D-I and put you and your kitties back in place.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Rit

We'll just have to send Plattsburgh up to D-I and put you and your kitties back in place.

+1

 

[XCTiger]

Re: Rit

We'll just have to send Plattsburgh up to D-I and put you and your kitties back in place.

Why would we need the Cardinals to do that when Niagara has been handling the job quite well at the DI level. Sucks even more because they're purple....
When Canisus knocked them out last weekend, I could hear the sigh of relief from Rochester here in Utica.

Want to know how much things have changed? I'm rooting for EC the next 2 weekends. God, there was a time I would have rather scratched my eyes out....

 

[bigmrg74]

Re: Rit

More students = more money to scrape together. =) Though I agree there's no reason a large private university can't remain at DIII.


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You really want to run a full fledged D1 university on the backs of the students?? Yeah, that might work, if you wanna be like New Jersey Institute of Technology who's really only D1 in name only, are are pretty much a punching bag that gets brought in for a winter homecoming win.

I have no idea what RIT is spending right now to run its D3 athletic teams along with its D1 Hockey program, but I would wager to say that you're easily looking at spending another 10 million a year on athletics just to have your name on ESPN's Ticker. You spread that additional cost of 10 million a year to the students across 15,000 students, and it works out that each student would be forking over 667 bucks a year in additional athletic fees to cover the program. How well would that fly with the students right now, with however much it costs to go to RIT right now?? If you want to bring everything up to D1, you better have some deep pocket boosters and other movers and shakers in the Rochester area that want RIT to be a full fledged D1 school.

 

[LtPowers]

Re: Rit

We'll just have to send Plattsburgh up to D-I and put you and your kitties back in place.

If you do, better hope they do a better job of it than the women did this year. =)


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[LtPowers]

Re: Rit

You really want to run a full fledged D1 university on the backs of the students??

Where did I say that? I was answering the question of why the number of students matters.

Funding doesn't have to come in the form of student fees to be affected by the number of students. More students means more potential attendance at games; it means a larger alumni base from which to draw donations; it means (generally) a bigger endowment and more name recognition around the area. All of that translates into bigger and better potential for D-I athletics. That's not to say a small school can't do D-I, but it's a whole lot easier for a larger school.


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[PrezdeJohnson09]

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If you do, better hope they do a better job of it than the women did this year. =)


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The Plattsburgh men did more than their fair share of spoiling RIT's seasons.

 

[bigmrg74]

Where did I say that? I was answering the question of why the number of students matters.

Funding doesn't have to come in the form of student fees to be affected by the number of students. More students means more potential attendance at games; it means a larger alumni base from which to draw donations; it means (generally) a bigger endowment and more name recognition around the area. All of that translates into bigger and better potential for D-I athletics. That's not to say a small school can't do D-I, but it's a whole lot easier for a larger school.


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yeah but still, 15,000 really isn't all that big enrollment wise. And if you're going to do it you better have a ton of well to do mature alumni that are smart enuff to know that they would rather give their money to RIT instead of the IRS. You would want a lot of alumni that could drop something in the five figure range yearly without sweating it much.

Short of that, RIT would have to ask the students to help out, and take funds from them. You still have to pay the scholarships, travel, and whatnot as well. And you really don't want to do it on the cheap. Players don't like getting PB&J's on roadtrips.