That was disappointing. By then, RIT was taking things into their own hands. But there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that a major was warranted on that call.
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>>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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That was disappointing. By then, RIT was taking things into their own hands. But there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that a major was warranted on that call.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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From the rule book. It was a pretty violent, and I think unnecessary, hit. My beef would not be with what was called last night, but with what was not called.
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From the rule book. It was a pretty violent, and I think unnecessary, hit. My beef would not be with what was called last night, but with what was not called.
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Also, as a program, you're not consistent if you complain that violent hits against you are not called but insist that penalties against your side when you do it should not be called.
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Also, as a program, you're not consistent if you complain that violent hits against you are not called but insist that penalties against your side when you do it should not be called.
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Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
A lot of times things like that weren't called as majors but should have been.
There was a hook that pulled down Skirving that wasn't called in the third that led to an odd-man rush for Mercyhurst. Both teams had too many men at one point; Mercyhurst had at least eight on the ice that did not get called.
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A lot of times things like that weren't called as majors but should have been.
There was a hook that pulled down Skirving that wasn't called in the third that led to an odd-man rush for Mercyhurst. Both teams had too many men at one point; Mercyhurst had at least eight on the ice that did not get called.
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That's my point. Considering the number of man-games we've lost to illegal hits, this kind of inconsistency is galling. I wonder if the other games last night were called as tightly.
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That's my point. Considering the number of man-games we've lost to illegal hits, this kind of inconsistency is galling. I wonder if the other games last night were called as tightly.
Powers &8^]
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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Chase Norrish got a 1 game suspension for tonight. Kuqali did not get any supplemental discipline.
http://atlantichockeyonline.com/news/2015-16_News/Feb26Suspensions
Sacred Heart has 3 players suspended tonight. In their 5-2 loss vs Holy Cross, they took 13 penalties for 59 minutes compared to HC's 3 for 6 mins.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Chase Norrish got a 1 game suspension for tonight. Kuqali did not get any supplemental discipline.
http://atlantichockeyonline.com/news/2015-16_News/Feb26Suspensions
Sacred Heart has 3 players suspended tonight. In their 5-2 loss vs Holy Cross, they took 13 penalties for 59 minutes compared to HC's 3 for 6 mins.
ICYMI, Chase Norrish was suspended by the league for tonight's game. Defensive pairings are juggled tonight. Perron-Fontaine is back on D.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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According to the boxscores on collegehockeynews, tonight's RIT-Mercyhurst game has only one official, and Jablonski is not officiating anywhere tonight. Did he get a hush-hush one game suspension from the league for his actions last night? Does the league question his ability to be impartial after the way last night's game was decided and ended? Interesting that Kuqali wasn't suspended by the league.
For those interested, Foote (who I didn't think had a bad night, even if he missed some things) is reffing the AF-Niagara game tonight.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
According to the boxscores on collegehockeynews, tonight's RIT-Mercyhurst game has only one official, and Jablonski is not officiating anywhere tonight. Did he get a hush-hush one game suspension from the league for his actions last night? Does the league question his ability to be impartial after the way last night's game was decided and ended? Interesting that Kuqali wasn't suspended by the league.
For those interested, Foote (who I didn't think had a bad night, even if he missed some things) is reffing the AF-Niagara game tonight.
The box was wrong. Referees were Ryan Sweeney and Jay Durfee.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Was his hit more egregious than Norrish's? It's a little odd, because both players got game misconducts. A suspension is usually issued when the league feels the on-ice penalty was insufficient; does that mean Norrish's hit should have been a Game DQ? It really didn't look that bad in real time to me. I don't know how the refs see it, to be honest.
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Was his hit more egregious than Norrish's? It's a little odd, because both players got game misconducts. A suspension is usually issued when the league feels the on-ice penalty was insufficient; does that mean Norrish's hit should have been a Game DQ? It really didn't look that bad in real time to me. I don't know how the refs see it, to be honest.
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Either way, we lost!
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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Yeah, about that. Has anyone come up with an explanation yet for how we continue to dominate in time of possession, shot attempts, and shots on goal, but continue to lose games?
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Yeah, about that. Has anyone come up with an explanation yet for how we continue to dominate in time of possession, shot attempts, and shots on goal, but continue to lose games?
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Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Short really wasn't bad based on the radio broadcast. A PPG and two bad turnovers.
Meanwhile we know Wildung sucks, RIT lit him up big time last year (including half a dozen in that fun rout) so we can't pretend he's some Jason Torf-like boogeyman.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Short really wasn't bad based on the radio broadcast. A PPG and two bad turnovers.
Meanwhile we know Wildung sucks, RIT lit him up big time last year (including half a dozen in that fun rout) so we can't pretend he's some Jason Torf-like boogeyman.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
Fair enough. Still strikes me as strange that they got this game's - of all games - officials wrong after what happened last night, whether because it was dumb luck or because the league had to switch around officials last minute. Do they generally announce ref assignments ahead of time or do teams/broadcasters find out when they arrive at the rink that night?
To be honest, I don't know. I had a pretty good view of the Norrish hit live as I was right on that blueline and I thought it was shoulder to chest, but they never showed any replays so I've withheld judgment for the time being. I'm DVR'ing the replay Monday on TW so I'll take a look at the incidents then. I completely missed the Kuqali hit - though both of my friends (who are Mercyhurst grads) who were at the game with me thought the MH player lost an edge last second and it should have only been two.
The two calls I took most issue with that IMO paints Jablonski as an incompetent turd who couldn't take the CC's complaints (anyone else notice that after the 1st period the two switched sides? Jablonski was the trailing ref nearest to the CC in the first period that called Norrish's hit, he was away from the CC for the 2nd and 3rd) was the 5 on 3 that Mercyhurst scored the GWG on and the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that took off another two mintues at the end of the game. On the play Short got ran that resulted in the 5 on 3, Jablonski called a penalty on the Mercyhurst player (Best) who came over to retaliate for Perron-Fontaine's shot. He pointed at Perron-Fontaine, then the box, then Best, then the box, and somehow after Mercyhurst complained ended up not getting a penalty at all. The retaliation Best threw wasn't any less than what Perron-Fontaine did, Perron-Fontaine just didn't go limp and sell the bejesus out of the shot. There is no excuse for that sequence of events to end up with a 5 on 3 for Mercyhurst in a close game late. None. Jablonski would have been more honest if he was wearing green instead of stripes.
The unsportsmanlike call was the capper. First of all, I've done a little reffing (obviously not near this level) and I'm a big believer in misconducts over minor penalties for mouthing off. But, philosophies aside, when a player doesn't visibly show you up to the crowd, what he said had better be suspension worthy to stop the game to give a penalty. If there's no penalty given, no one outside the player, ref, and maybe a couple of other players would know that anything was even said. That was plain and simple Jablonski's ego jumping up and ruining the ending to the game.
I thought they missed a couple of other calls for sure, but that's going to happen in any game. I thought Foote actually gave the Tigers a couple of make up calls (particularly after the first major penalty - one that Foote had the better angle/view of and didn't make a call) that were pretty ticky-tacky, but so was the initial penalty to Kearns that resulted in the late 5 on 3 for MH and led to our goalie getting bulldozed. It certainly seemed like they missed a couple of blatant penalties (one a board, not sure what happened to Valenuzela when he stayed down in that period near the crew), and there probably should have been a MH penalty instants before Brown was called for a high-stick as a hook caused the turnover that caused Brown to commit a penalty. But the infuriating ones were the two above. And I retain the right to be infuriated by the major calls when I see them again on Monday.
I don't think Short tracked the puck particularly well on Friday, which isn't altogether surprising considering he'd been out for awhile. It's good he got in a couple games to shake off the rust, but the numbers from the weekend certainly were ugly. However, in terms of territorial play, it doesn't mean squat when you have defensive breakdowns when you do give the puck up and give high-quality scoring chances - in particular on Friday on the 1st goal. If the shots you're giving up are of that quality, the other team's only gonna need 15-20 shots to score 3 or 4 times. Certainly not having Norrish essentially both nights and needing to change around the top 4 could have something to do with those breakdowns this weekend, but I thought they were similarly bad in their own end in the 4-4 tie to Niagara when Amato was between the pipes. He actually made a number of saves on breakdowns and odd man rushes in that game where the score could have ended up a lot worse, all things considered.
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Fair enough. Still strikes me as strange that they got this game's - of all games - officials wrong after what happened last night, whether because it was dumb luck or because the league had to switch around officials last minute. Do they generally announce ref assignments ahead of time or do teams/broadcasters find out when they arrive at the rink that night?
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To be honest, I don't know. I had a pretty good view of the Norrish hit live as I was right on that blueline and I thought it was shoulder to chest, but they never showed any replays so I've withheld judgment for the time being. I'm DVR'ing the replay Monday on TW so I'll take a look at the incidents then. I completely missed the Kuqali hit - though both of my friends (who are Mercyhurst grads) who were at the game with me thought the MH player lost an edge last second and it should have only been two.
The two calls I took most issue with that IMO paints Jablonski as an incompetent turd who couldn't take the CC's complaints (anyone else notice that after the 1st period the two switched sides? Jablonski was the trailing ref nearest to the CC in the first period that called Norrish's hit, he was away from the CC for the 2nd and 3rd) was the 5 on 3 that Mercyhurst scored the GWG on and the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that took off another two mintues at the end of the game. On the play Short got ran that resulted in the 5 on 3, Jablonski called a penalty on the Mercyhurst player (Best) who came over to retaliate for Perron-Fontaine's shot. He pointed at Perron-Fontaine, then the box, then Best, then the box, and somehow after Mercyhurst complained ended up not getting a penalty at all. The retaliation Best threw wasn't any less than what Perron-Fontaine did, Perron-Fontaine just didn't go limp and sell the bejesus out of the shot. There is no excuse for that sequence of events to end up with a 5 on 3 for Mercyhurst in a close game late. None. Jablonski would have been more honest if he was wearing green instead of stripes.
The unsportsmanlike call was the capper. First of all, I've done a little reffing (obviously not near this level) and I'm a big believer in misconducts over minor penalties for mouthing off. But, philosophies aside, when a player doesn't visibly show you up to the crowd, what he said had better be suspension worthy to stop the game to give a penalty. If there's no penalty given, no one outside the player, ref, and maybe a couple of other players would know that anything was even said. That was plain and simple Jablonski's ego jumping up and ruining the ending to the game.
I thought they missed a couple of other calls for sure, but that's going to happen in any game. I thought Foote actually gave the Tigers a couple of make up calls (particularly after the first major penalty - one that Foote had the better angle/view of and didn't make a call) that were pretty ticky-tacky, but so was the initial penalty to Kearns that resulted in the late 5 on 3 for MH and led to our goalie getting bulldozed. It certainly seemed like they missed a couple of blatant penalties (one a board, not sure what happened to Valenuzela when he stayed down in that period near the crew), and there probably should have been a MH penalty instants before Brown was called for a high-stick as a hook caused the turnover that caused Brown to commit a penalty. But the infuriating ones were the two above. And I retain the right to be infuriated by the major calls when I see them again on Monday.
LtPowers said:
I don't think Short tracked the puck particularly well on Friday, which isn't altogether surprising considering he'd been out for awhile. It's good he got in a couple games to shake off the rust, but the numbers from the weekend certainly were ugly. However, in terms of territorial play, it doesn't mean squat when you have defensive breakdowns when you do give the puck up and give high-quality scoring chances - in particular on Friday on the 1st goal. If the shots you're giving up are of that quality, the other team's only gonna need 15-20 shots to score 3 or 4 times. Certainly not having Norrish essentially both nights and needing to change around the top 4 could have something to do with those breakdowns this weekend, but I thought they were similarly bad in their own end in the 4-4 tie to Niagara when Amato was between the pipes. He actually made a number of saves on breakdowns and odd man rushes in that game where the score could have ended up a lot worse, all things considered.
Referee assignments are provided to the schools before the weekend. We usually find out when we get to the arena but could ask ahead of time if we wanted to know.
All live box score data for USCHO and other sites comes via collegehockeystats.net who distributes it. They get it from live box score XML uploads from each game. Most often the errors come from the game statisticians.
All live box score data for USCHO and other sites comes via collegehockeystats.net who distributes it. They get it from live box score XML uploads from each game. Most often the errors come from the game statisticians.
I just looked at the box on our USCHO live stats. They had one ref listed as a linesman and one linesman listed as the goal judge. Error by Mercyhurst stats keeper.
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Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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For the record Omar Phillips, who has come up on the boards before as a fantastic photographer of RIT games has a pretty good series of pictures of the Norrish hit. It pretty much erases any possible contention that the hit was clean..
https://twitter.com/odp101/status/703551646333345792
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
For the record Omar Phillips, who has come up on the boards before as a fantastic photographer of RIT games has a pretty good series of pictures of the Norrish hit. It pretty much erases any possible contention that the hit was clean..
https://twitter.com/odp101/status/703551646333345792
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I don't agree with your conclusion at all. I'll wait for the video. Maybe it's just an issue with the college rules, but what is he supposed to do? You're supposed to remove the man from the puck. He doesn't leave his feet, his arms aren't high at contact, and it's not at all clear from those pictures alone that any contact from shoulders/arms got the MH player's head principally.
Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
I don't agree with your conclusion at all. I'll wait for the video. Maybe it's just an issue with the college rules, but what is he supposed to do? You're supposed to remove the man from the puck. He doesn't leave his feet, his arms aren't high at contact, and it's not at all clear from those pictures alone that any contact from shoulders/arms got the MH player's head principally.
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Re: >>>>>>>>> RIT Tigers 2015-16 Regular season thread. On the prowl again
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Or in the html if everything was shifted over. Fair enough. I'll continue to hope I never see him again because he made game-changing call(s) in both games I went to this year. That dive he called in the Bentley game
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Or in the html if everything was shifted over. Fair enough. I'll continue to hope I never see him again because he made game-changing call(s) in both games I went to this year. That dive he called in the Bentley game
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