>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2012-13: Clawing our way up the standings in the 2nd half

[Chris Lerch]

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When they totaled up everything that was asked for, the cost would have been more than 1.5 times budget.

I suppose it's cheaper to build up then dig down to get the top of the bowl at street level. Dwyer Arena is like this for example, but they have a lobby and then direct fan traffic up a story and then into the arena at the top of the seating area. But to enter the actual arena at ice level and walk up to the seats kinda sucks. Looking at AHA rinks, which do we have in common?

Enter the arena at Ice Level:
AIC
Bentley
Sacred Heart
Army
Mercyhurst
UConn


Enter the arena at the top:
Air Force
Holy Cross
Canisius (Buff State)
Niagara
Robert Morris
RIT

Other than Army, the better facilities all have a top-down design. I think this design also makes the arena louder.

 

[danceswithpucks]

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LOL so I buy the A1 feed and the fing camera isnt even pointed at the ice. ***, what a joke morons. So ****ed...

Me too..frustrating. I don't care if Niagara scored a lot, I still wanted to watch. The weird thing is that the camera moves every once in a while, but whoever is manning it is not attempting to show the game. Oh well, email support and get your money back. Listening on WITR instead now.

 

[LtPowers]

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I suppose it's cheaper to build up then dig down to get the top of the bowl at street level.

Digging down in the U-Lot region is probably a bad idea water-table wise anyway. Note that none of the buildings south of the Library/Student Union have A-levels; their first floors are at the same elevation as the A-level of quarter-mile buildings.


Powers &8^]

 

[LtPowers]

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From the sound of things, RIT is actually outplaying Niagara, except for six big mistakes, each of which Niagara has scored on.


Powers &8^]

 

[Chris Lerch]

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Ritter is built into a hill, so it's like the other bowls that you enter at the top: you have to go up a story or two somewhere outside the actual rink. That's better than making all fans enter at ice level, IMHO.

 

[RIT Winters]

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From the sound of things, RIT is actually outplaying Niagara, except for six big mistakes, each of which Niagara has scored on.


Powers &8^]

6 big mistakes in one game is..pretty bad.

 

[LtPowers]

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6 big mistakes in one game is..pretty bad.

Well that depends on how big "big" is. =)


Powers &8^]

 

[XCTiger]

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Digging down in the U-Lot region is probably a bad idea water-table wise anyway. Note that none of the buildings south of the Library/Student Union have A-levels; their first floors are at the same elevation as the A-level of quarter-mile buildings.
Powers &8^]

When I was at RIT in the early 70's the area south of the library was nothing but cat tails and swamp.

 

[dpm105]

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You're all welcome to start donating if you think the new rink isn't up to snuff.

Donations to the Power Play campaign have all but dried up this season.

I see your point here Winters, but the thing that has bothered me about how this whole situation has been handled is that even if RIT were hitting their $15 million dollar target as projected, they still wouldn't have the cash to give us the grand arena that was touted at the start of the whole campaign. Renderings should have never been released to the public without proper cost estimates.

 

[jpdailey]

Holy Cross is in the Ice Level category, unless there's some super secret entrance that they're not advertising to the general public...

I suppose it's cheaper to build up then dig down to get the top of the bowl at street level. Dwyer Arena is like this for example, but they have a lobby and then direct fan traffic up a story and then into the arena at the top of the seating area. But to enter the actual arena at ice level and walk up to the seats kinda sucks. Looking at AHA rinks, which do we have in common?

Enter the arena at Ice Level:
AIC
Bentley
Sacred Heart
Army
Mercyhurst
UConn


Enter the arena at the top:
Air Force
Holy Cross
Canisius (Buff State)
Niagara
Robert Morris
RIT

Other than Army, the better facilities all have a top-down design. I think this design also makes the arena louder.

 

[RITFan67]

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I see your point here Winters, but the thing that has bothered me about how this whole situation has been handled is that even if RIT were hitting their $15 million dollar target as projected, they still wouldn't have the cash to give us the grand arena that was touted at the start of the whole campaign. Renderings should have never been released to the public without proper cost estimates.

I agree. The renderings of a much grander rink were shown at the same time as the the $15 million target, which was misleading. However, I'll bet we can still have a really great rink and stay within budget.

 

[SmallTown]

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He took the puck to the neck according to a friend of mine... In any case, an injury in which a guy is down should usually cause the ref to stop play. I think we overall did play well, only criticism I would have is that Noyes needs to not take shifts off (he definitely did at points) and a coach needs to sit down with Colavecchia and teach him how to pass smartly, there's a reason he is one of our top goal scorers and yet still has the worst +/- on the team (in less games than everyone else).

Noyes occasionally makes mistakes as do all the players on the team once and awhile I won't deny that. They are human after all, but to imply that he isn't trying (taking shifts off) really bothers me. Every single player on the team works hard every shift; they might not have a perfect shift but they certainly work their asses off. I will agree with you that Colavecchia needs to work on his passing; be smarter.

 

[Zyklon]

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Noyes occasionally makes mistakes as do all the players on the team once and awhile I won't deny that. They are human after all, but to imply that he isn't trying (taking shifts off) really bothers me. Every single player on the team works hard every shift; they might not have a perfect shift but they certainly work their asses off. I will agree with you that Colavecchia needs to work on his passing; be smarter.

I'm not saying he isn't trying, he just seems to more occasionally then others seem to give less hustle. It may be that he tends to take longer shifts and ends up being more tired, but for some reason I always notice him being a little slower than others at times. Noyes does play well a lot of the time though, its just he seems to look a little slower than others at times (other times he looks just as fast or faster)

 

[MattS]

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Noyes occasionally makes mistakes as do all the players on the team once and awhile I won't deny that. They are human after all, but to imply that he isn't trying (taking shifts off) really bothers me. Every single player on the team works hard every shift; they might not have a perfect shift but they certainly work their asses off. I will agree with you that Colavecchia needs to work on his passing; be smarter.

Oh come on. This is total BS. Nobody and I mean nobody works hard every shift. It's simply impossible. I haven't seen enough games this season to make a judgement on Noyes and his overall effort level but for you to say he is playing at a top level every single shift just can't be true. It can't be true of anyone.

That's certainly part of the problem. The campaign was launched, and it seemed the administration expected the funds to just roll in. Frankly, so did I. (I did my part.) The fact that they didn't just roll in, and the fact that we've only raised about half what they wanted to, indicates a severe misreading of the financial potential available for this type of project -- either that, or total incompetence in fundraising on the part of Dr. Watters, but that seems highly unlikely.

But either way, RIT dropped the ball here, whether by failing to get a good read of the amount of monetary support the arena would get, or by failing to leverage it properly. If that's leading to cost-cutting in the arena design, this could end up being a disaster.


Powers &8^]

I am very concerned about this too. From my perspective RIT has not handled the promotion of the new rink very well. The original renderings seem to be nothing like what is actually being built. Hence disappointment in the fanbase. As an alum I can say that the promotion trying to gather donations have been weak at best. Hence lack of funding. I get the everall impression that the whole project is being rushed and not planned very well. And unfortunately the team having a substandard year isn't helping matters. I am very fearful that the new rink is going to be missing the mark. I very much hope I am wrong.

 

[RITFan67]

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Doesn't anyone have any information about the new rink we are building? I mean, we've had a ground breaking ceremony, started construction (well, we've moved a bunch of gravel around on the site), we have an end date (be ready for the 2014-15 season). OK, I guess that's all preliminary stuff that doesn't require a settled down design, but shouldn't there be more information at this point in time? The absence of any announcements could mean that there is a bunch of head scratching going on... discussions between the architectural firm and RIT on needs and wants and trying to come up with a design that is an intelligent marriage between the two for the money available. Possibly the silence means that people are really working hard on this to come up with a great rink for the money. After all, the needs are really well known... full size rink, intimate atmosphere, corner crew area, better concessions, increased seating capacity, comfortable seats, standing room, decent parking. Doesn't sound so difficult to me (tongue squarely in cheek)!

 

[RITProf]

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Construction can begin with a coarse design that is refined as the process moves along. My impression was that something like this is happening. Decisions such as entrance to the stands at ground level or on a concourse are probably needed quite early on. Whether the seats are orange, brown, or a combination of the two is a decision that can wait quite some time (exaggerating to make the point).

Those in the know call it "design-build" rather than "design then build". (I a not "in the know".)

 

[SmallTown]

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Oh come on. This is total BS. Nobody and I mean nobody works hard every shift. It's simply impossible. I haven't seen enough games this season to make a judgement on Noyes and his overall effort level but for you to say he is playing at a top level every single shift just can't be true. It can't be true of anyone.

So what you're saying is every single player takes shifts off. Well if that were the case then no single player should ever be called out for doing it since it's the norm, right? I never said that Noyes played at an elite level every single shift; I even said that not every shift is perfect. What I'm saying is I don't believe that any player chooses to take a shift off. I believe that every player out there is trying hard to make things happen and have a good shift every time, sometimes it just doesn't work out, but I don't believe its simply because they've chosen to coast through their shift.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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RIT president Dr. Bill Destler does his quarterly radio program on Wednesday. You can submit questions here: http://www.witr.rit.edu/askdestler

 

[dxk3355]

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When I heard they were building a new rink I promised to not donate in the hopes they couldn't raise the money. The Ritter is just too good of a place to replace at this time. Then some rich guy went to gave them delusions of grandeur with a big check. So now they started construction and don't have enough money to make a quality place. At least from what was discussed on the radio the other week, the new rink sounds awful. Maybe they should sell beer like at Blue Cross to make more money for the rink and do it right.

 

[cplinford]

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Construction can begin with a coarse design that is refined as the process moves along. My impression was that something like this is happening. Decisions such as entrance to the stands at ground level or on a concourse are probably needed quite early on. Whether the seats are orange, brown, or a combination of the two is a decision that can wait quite some time (exaggerating to make the point).

Those in the know call it "design-build" rather than "design then build". (I a not "in the know".)

For those in the software world this sounds like a lot like SCRUM applied to construction