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[LtPowers]

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4 4-quarter-credit classes is the norm now (12 total)
5 3-semester-credit classes will be the new norm (10 total)

With many being sequences, it is very close if not identical. It could be exact in course number by adjusting credit counts as appropriate.

Huh. My memory is of a mixture of three- and four-hour-per-week classes and 17 to 18 credit hours. But maybe I did only take four classes a quarter...


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[cplinford]

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Huh. My memory is of a mixture of three- and four-hour-per-week classes and 17 to 18 credit hours. But maybe I did only take four classes a quarter...


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It just felt like it...

Its one think to have "academic rigor" because the course material is hard it's another when they just try to stuff too much into too short of a time period. I was completely burned out on school when I graduated and most other alumni I know felt the same way

 

[cplinford]

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I think the band plays it more than the DJ does.

I am including the band in that statement

 

[RIT4life]

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It just felt like it...

Its one think to have "academic rigor" because the course material is hard it's another when they just try to stuff too much into too short of a time period. I was completely burned out on school when I graduated and most other alumni I know felt the same way

I think doing a semester would make school a little more enjoyable sans the added stress with all the information given in such a short time. I realize time management is of importance but semesters allow students to fully enjoy the college experience which should be more than just classes, studying, and sleeping and repeating that. I think it also adds value to RIT as well.

The semester would allow the typical student to take 40 classes ( 5 classes times 2 semesters times 4 yrs) whereas the quarter system would be typically 4 classes times 3 quarters times 4 years which comes up to 48 classes. If anything, it speeds up graduation. I don't think it would affect academic rigor as RIT is academically rigorous as is and will continue to be. Look at all the Ivy League schools as well as Cornell and Northwestern, just as academically rigorous as RIT but they see the value in having semesters.

 

[unscarred76]

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If its too loud, you're too old!

Welcome to the board. It can be a touch loud but generally I like it. I feel like the BCA is too quiet. My main problem has been the selection of music lately. There is one song is particular that sounds like a Ricky Martin song or something... Playing Black Eyed Peas - I Got a Feeling when Ritchie is skating around with the RIT flag under a spotlight I thought was a good touch. It seemed to get the crowd going. It always seemed awkward before. I want Metallica - For Whom the Bell Tolls blasting before the puck drops again though

I do approve of the 2 Rise Against songs that are part of the warm up mix, it just needs to be fewer songs.

Yes maybe live hockey is not for you. Yes I love For Whom the Bell Tolls. Generally the music is pretty good, but I like the harder stuff myself. How about the the beginning of Hell Awaits or Post Mortem by Slayer to really get'em intimidated before the game

 

[NYTrojan]

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4 4-quarter-credit classes is the norm now (12 total)
5 3-semester-credit classes will be the new norm (10 total)

With many being sequences, it is very close if not identical. It could be exact in course number by adjusting credit counts as appropriate.

RIT Prof, I know you are trying to get back to hockey, but I'm interested in your thoughts on the following:

4x4 in a quarter system:
4 hours a week for 10 weeks = 40 hours
4 classes = 160 hours a quarter
12 quarters in a BS = 1920 hours

5x3 in a semester system:
3 hours a week for 15 weeks = 45 hours
5 classes = 225 hours a semester
8 semesters in a BS = 1800 hours

Where'd my 120 hours in class go?

Also:
4x4 in a quarter system = 48 classes in a student's career (4 a quarter by 12 quarters)
5x3 in a semester system = 40 classes in a student's career (5 a semester by 8 semesters)

This means that there are 8 less classes overall, which impacts diversity of classes taken.

if we look it from a one year perspective, I used to spend 480 hours in class taking 12 classes a year. Now I'll be spending 450 hours in 10 classes a year.

Each individual class only grows by 5 hours. Consider a 3 class track, like Physics. In one year in a quarter system I could take physics I, II, and III, spending a total of 120 hours in "Physics" for that year. In a semester system, I can take 2 semesters of physics spending a total of 90 hours in those classes. I'm 3/4ths of a quarter behind where I would have been in a quarter system on the year.

I just don't see how the academic rigor holds up.

 

[cplinford]

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RIT Prof, I know you are trying to get back to hockey, but I'm interested in your thoughts on the following:

4x4 in a quarter system:
4 hours a week for 10 weeks = 40 hours
4 classes = 160 hours a quarter
12 quarters in a BS = 1920 hours

5x3 in a semester system:
3 hours a week for 15 weeks = 45 hours
5 classes = 225 hours a semester
8 semesters in a BS = 1800 hours

Where'd my 120 hours in class go?

Also:
4x4 in a quarter system = 48 classes in a student's career (4 a quarter by 12 quarters)
5x3 in a semester system = 40 classes in a student's career (5 a semester by 8 semesters)

This means that there are 8 less classes overall, which impacts diversity of classes taken.

if we look it from a one year perspective, I used to spend 480 hours in class taking 12 classes a year. Now I'll be spending 450 hours in 10 classes a year.

Each individual class only grows by 5 hours. Consider a 3 class track, like Physics. In one year in a quarter system I could take physics I, II, and III, spending a total of 120 hours in "Physics" for that year. In a semester system, I can take 2 semesters of physics spending a total of 90 hours in those classes. I'm 3/4ths of a quarter behind where I would have been in a quarter system on the year.

I just don't see how the academic rigor holds up.

My brother majored in physics at U of R. Just try and tell him the academic rigor doesn't hold up because he was in a semester system...

 

[d4rksabre]

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Man, I can't wait to be on break in 2 weeks when none of my friends from other colleges are.

 

[cplinford]

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Doesn't look like sweeping Army had too much effect on our ranking. Got a couple of more votes but looks like several others got more

Maybe sweeping Air Force would have a more desirable effect, too bad we are doing a special event for the Saturday night game...

 

[NYTrojan]

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My brother majored in physics at U of R. Just try and tell him the academic rigor doesn't hold up because he was in a semester system...

I'm not trying to say that semesters are always inferior. That obviously isn't the case. I'm saying that this particular implementation will be inferior.

Look at my physics example. What do you do about those 30 hours? One of the reasons Destler claimed for moving to 5x3 was to better map our current classes to the new ones, so does that mean that physics now takes 3 semesters where it used to take 3 quarters? Now you've spent half a year longer on physics which effectively reduces the other classes you can take.

Unless each and every program completely revamps their requirements and curriculum this implementation will be inferior AND EVEN THEN you have lost 30 hours of in-class time a year.

I'm not saying semesters are wrong. I'm saying they're wrong for RIT and this particular implementation is a definite step back from what RIT used to offer

 

[mar7967]

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Look at my physics example. What do you do about those 30 hours? One of the reasons Destler claimed for moving to 5x3 was to better map our current classes to the new ones, so does that mean that physics now takes 3 semesters where it used to take 3 quarters? Now you've spent half a year longer on physics which effectively reduces the other classes you can take.

3 quarters of physics was 30 weeks. 2 semesters of physics is 30 weeks. I don't see the issue. Destler has already said that some of the sequenced courses - math and science - will be kept to 4 credits.

 

[d4rksabre]

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3 quarters of physics was 30 weeks. 2 semesters of physics is 30 weeks. I don't see the issue. Destler has already said that some of the sequenced courses - math and science - will be kept to 4 credits.

I think what he is concerned about is how the course content will be split up. Typically Physics 1 is an intro course, with physics 2 being mechanical, and physics 3 dealing with electricity (current, voltage, magnetic fields, etc.). The way I figure, you could just combine physics 1 content into physics 2, seeing as physics 1 is a pretty useless course. Physics 3 could then be expanded to involve more material, which I felt it lacked when I took it.

 

[NYTrojan]

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3 quarters of physics was 30 weeks. 2 semesters of physics is 30 weeks. I don't see the issue. Destler has already said that some of the sequenced courses - math and science - will be kept to 4 credits.

Because 3 quarters of physics is 30 weeks at 4 hours a week
2 semesters of physics is 30 weeks at 3 hours a week

That's 30 hours of class time less.

If you argue that the math and science classes will be kept to 4 credits then how do you expect the full 5 classes to be taken? If the full 5 classes aren't taken then you lose further classes as you approach a 4x4

 

[mar7967]

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Because 3 quarters of physics is 30 weeks at 4 hours a week
2 semesters of physics is 30 weeks at 3 hours a week

That's 30 hours of class time less.

Like I mentioned, Destler has already acknowledged that some courses would be kept to 4 credits. This means 4 hours of class per week. It will end up being the same amount of class time in this example.

 

[NYTrojan]

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Like I mentioned, Destler has already acknowledged that some courses would be kept to 4 credits. This means 4 hours of class per week. It will end up being the same amount of class time in this example.

Right, I missed the 2nd part of your argument and edited my post to cover it.

In the end, you either have students approaching a norm of 20 credits or you have them getting closer to a 4x4.

For example, a typical engineering student's quarter might involve one science class (plus lab) one engineering class (plus lab) one math class (no lab) and one liberal arts class. 4 credits for all 1 credit per lab. 18 credits.

Either students keep that with the liberal arts class dropping to 3 and adding another 3 credit class a total of 20 credits, or you start back-shifting some of the math and engineering classes to other semesters.

But there aren't as many semesters as there were quarters, so you quickly run out of places to push these classes. Call me skeptical but I highly doubt that programs will begin requiring students to take 5 classes of 20 credits when retention is one of their main goals.

 

[komey1]

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Doesn't look like sweeping Army had too much effect on our ranking. Got a couple of more votes but looks like several others got more

Maybe sweeping Air Force would have a more desirable effect, too bad we are doing a special event for the Saturday night game...

Yea I was disappointed in that too. I'm thinking that the 19th and 20th teams got ranked by some people higher than they eventually wound up. Last week, it was tough deciding on the 20th team.

The polls don't mean anything, but it would be nice.

And what special event are we doing Saturday?

 

[mar7967]

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Yea I was disappointed in that too. I'm thinking that the 19th and 20th teams got ranked by some people higher than they eventually wound up. Last week, it was tough deciding on the 20th team.

The polls don't mean anything, but it would be nice.

And what special event are we doing Saturday?

SAAC is attempting another white-out, and presenting a check to Hillside Children’s Center before the game
http://ritathletics.com/news/2010/2/15/MHOCKEY_0215101217.aspx

 

[mar7967]

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Right, I missed the 2nd part of your argument and edited my post to cover it.

In the end, you either have students approaching a norm of 20 credits or you have them getting closer to a 4x4.

For example, a typical engineering student's quarter might involve one science class (plus lab) one engineering class (plus lab) one math class (no lab) and one liberal arts class. 4 credits for all 1 credit per lab. 18 credits.

Either students keep that with the liberal arts class dropping to 3 and adding another 3 credit class a total of 20 credits, or you start back-shifting some of the math and engineering classes to other semesters.

But there aren't as many semesters as there were quarters, so you quickly run out of places to push these classes. Call me skeptical but I highly doubt that programs will begin requiring students to take 5 classes of 20 credits when retention is one of their main goals.

I guess I see your point. I am not really a fan of this switch, and would rather RIT stick with quarters. But I am not allowing myself to get all worked up over it because I will be graduating before this takes effect.

 

[LtPowers]

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I realize time management is of importance but semesters allow students to fully enjoy the college experience which should be more than just classes, studying, and sleeping and repeating that. I think it also adds value to RIT as well.

I don't buy this one bit. I fully enjoyed my college experience. I had tons of time to spend on the VAX and hanging out with friends. TONS. A lot more than I had when I started working, that's for darn sure.

If anything, it speeds up graduation.

That's not a good thing. Any way you slice it, it means fewer electives.


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[RITProf]

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I think everyone covered this already, but with the physics example, it is currently three courses and would either transform into 3 3-credit semester courses or two courses with a higher credit count. That's the kind of flexibility in the decisions that Pres. Destler has mentioned. The choice will depend on how the physics faculty decides the best way to teach physics is (and also how the other programs relying on physics will desire). It could well be there will be both three semester and two semester physics sequences in the end. I really don't know as that's not my dept.

There will be equivalent educational hours when the total degree requirements are worked out. Also, the number of electives will not be much different with the 5-for-3 choice. They would have been reduced alot had the 4-for-4 semester choice been made.

And back to hockey. I'm a bit surprised RIT didn't rise in the polls, but that really doesn't matter. At this point, I don't think Air Force is doing well enough for a home sweep of them to change the voting significantly. This is a case where the poor OOC record is rearing its ugly head. However, it is in a meaningless vote.

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