>>>>RIT 2010 Offseason Thread-"You have to be a genius to go to RIT"

[Tom Naeger]

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For now, it seems RIT may need to be carried by the offense early in the season before everything settles.

That is the key and like last year you got to wonder where the offense will come from. You would think Burt and Brenner can be 20 goalscorers, but it a little iffy after that. RIT played during the 0-5 streak to start the year, but they where not getting the goals...

 

[JRZ DVLS]

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This is an interesting move by the Canucks. Tanev did have a very good year and has all the tools an NHL Defenseman would need. However one would think they have over paid for Tanev even if the reported number is high. They did nothing short of pounced on him after being an unknown for years and then playing one year of college hockey. The article that I got a pay figure out of called him a “free second round draft pick”. That is an ironic statement considering the amount they reportable paid him. However, there are a number of players like Chris who played two years of juniors and are undrafted and playing at places like RIT. Could NHL teams find this as a good bargain hunting ground?

I am surprised at he got that high of an ELC. Realistically he will be in Manitoba where I read he will make $67K a year, and have a $90k signing bonus that looks to be paid out each year. As said earlier, there must have been other teams interested to push the #'s up. The only negative i could see of a higher ELC is his Cap hit. It could hinder him from getting called up due to cap issues.
Good for him though....

 

[cplinford]

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I am surprised at he got that high of an ELC. Realistically he will be in Manitoba where I read he will make $67K a year, and have a $90k signing bonus that looks to be paid out each year. As said earlier, there must have been other teams interested to push the #'s up. The only negative i could see of a higher ELC is his Cap hit. It could hinder him from getting called up due to cap issues.
Good for him though....

Looking more at capgeek. 5 of the 6 starting defensemen, for Vancouver, will be UFA's in the 2011-2012 season. Looks like they might be are lining Chris up for a year on the Moose and hopefully having a shot at the big club in 2011 (and they'll have 26 mil in cap space).

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=29

 

[komey1]

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That is the key and like last year you got to wonder where the offense will come from. You would think Burt and Brenner can be 20 goalscorers, but it a little iffy after that. RIT played during the 0-5 streak to start the year, but they where not getting the goals...

As I stated earlier, I think Hartley showed something the second half of the year. Knowles had great numbers in juniors, so we know he is capable of putting up good numbers. Jeff Smith even scored some timely goals in his limited action. Plus, who knows what the rookies will bring.

 

[RITProf]

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Plus, who knows what the rookies will bring.

I think this point, more than anything, sums up the DI era. We just had a rookie go from overlooked, to Frozen Four, to "free second round pick". That's pretty amazing and a credit to RIT's system for finding him and attracting him to campus. Who's to say it doesn't happen again next year, or that the whole crop of freshman turn out to dominate AHA play? (Of course, the opposite is possible as well and that's part of the fun!)

 

[LtPowers]

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I think this point, more than anything, sums up the DI era. We just had a rookie go from overlooked, to Frozen Four, to "free second round pick". That's pretty amazing and a credit to RIT's system for finding him and attracting him to campus. Who's to say it doesn't happen again next year, or that the whole crop of freshman turn out to dominate AHA play? (Of course, the opposite is possible as well and that's part of the fun!)

For me, part of the fun is seeing players grow and develop. From time to time we're going to find a diamond in the rough and lose him to a pro contract, but as long as it stays rare I'm okay with it.

Getting players into the pros is a good thing to put in the program's prospectus, but it starts to cause problems with the fans if you start losing multiple players each year.

I have a bad feeling that if Burt has a very good year, he might be gone after 10-11.


Powers &8^]

 

[komey1]

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I have a bad feeling that if Burt has a very good year, he might be gone after 10-11.

Burt will need to bulk up then. His size might work well at the AHA level, and he certainly has heart and won't back down. But he will need to be bigger to be a real factor in the pros IMO.

 

[cplinford]

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Burt will need to bulk up then. His size might work well at the AHA level, and he certainly has heart and won't back down. But he will need to be bigger to be a real factor in the pros IMO.

I would have said the same thing about Tanev

 

[Tom Naeger]

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I would have said the same thing about Tanev

Are you serious? 6-2, 185? Not everyone can be a Zdeno Chara...

Komey, I agree with just about everything your saying, just saying that it will be a question that they will need to answer next year, and I believe they will...

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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The article that I got a pay figure out of called him a “free second round draft pick”. That is an ironic statement considering the amount they reportable paid him. However, there are a number of players like Chris who played two years of juniors and are undrafted and playing at places like RIT. Could NHL teams find this as a good bargain hunting ground?

That's not "free" in the monetary sense. They didn't have to "spend" a draft pick to get him.
But as far as how much they paid to get him, it really isn't that much until he makes the NHL. My guess, as others have noted, is that he'll start in Manitoba and probably pull down the $157k total for the season (salary and bonus), which really isn't too bad. ...Unless, of course, he lights it up in camp , one of their veterans gets injured, and they have no choice but to keep him.
Teams are certainly on the lookout for late bloomers that are no longer subject to the draft. But a find like Tanev seems to be more the exception than the rule. Most of the better diamonds in the rough from programs like RIT's are more likely to be AHL/ECHL level (or lower) talent initially out of school (Smith, Lambert, Guimond, Ringwald, Kharin, etc...)

 

[RITTechie]

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Are you serious? 6-2, 185? Not everyone can be a Zdeno Chara...

Komey, I agree with just about everything your saying, just saying that it will be a question that they will need to answer next year, and I believe they will...

6-2, 185 is 20-30 lbs undersized for an average NHL defenseman. I'm sure the Canucks would be happy if Tanev started the day off with a protein shake or two and lived in the weight room. Burt, at 5-10, 160 is even smaller. Just saying...

 

[Tom Naeger]

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That's not "free" in the monetary sense. They didn't have to "spend" a draft pick to get him.

Thanks for pulling a Limbaugh, "for those of you in Rio Linda" moment. Yes I got what they where saying, I was making a joke...

6-2, 185 is 20-30 lbs undersized for an average NHL defenseman. I'm sure the Canucks would be happy if Tanev started the day off with a protein shake or two and lived in the weight room. Burt, at 5-10, 160 is even smaller. Just saying...

Yeah but your going to find a lot of that in college, why strength and conditioning coaches get paid the big bucks!!!

 

[cplinford]

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Are you serious? 6-2, 185? Not everyone can be a Zdeno Chara...

Komey, I agree with just about everything your saying, just saying that it will be a question that they will need to answer next year, and I believe they will...

In the NHL yes. If you look at the depth chart for the Canucks he is in the bottom half in size

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Answers my question. Really surprised they gave him almost the max for a rookie...

"Almost"? Per NHL.com's CBA FAQ :
(boldface added for emphasis)

How much can Entry Level players make?

Entry Level players will be subject to a maximum annual salary (plus signing and games played bonuses) of $850,000 for 2005 and 2006 draftees; $875,000 for 2007 and 2008 draftees; $900,000 for 2009 and 2010; and $925,000 for 2011 draftees.

The maximum combined signing bonus will be limited to 10% of the player's maximum annual compensation in any year.

...

How long will a player be in the Entry Level system?

Players who sign their first contract at age 18-21 are required to sign three-year Entry Level contracts; players age 22-23 will be required to sign two-year deals; and players age 24 will be required to sign a one-year Entry Level contract.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he would fall into the same category, in terms of the CBA, as 2010 draftees... in which case, this IS the max contract value allowable, as well as the max signing bonus value.

...which makes all of this even more surprising.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Thanks for pulling a Limbaugh, "for those of you in Rio Linda" moment. Yes I got what they where saying, I was making a joke...

Oops. I thought that you may have been joking after I posted it. No harm intended.

 

[cplinford]

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"Almost"? Per NHL.com's CBA FAQ :
(boldface added for emphasis)



Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he would fall into the same category, in terms of the CBA, as 2010 draftees... in which case, this IS the max contract value allowable, as well as the max signing bonus value.

...which makes all of this even more surprising.

For whatever reason I was thinking the max was 950k

 

[komey1]

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In the NHL yes. If you look at the depth chart for the Canucks he is in the bottom half in size

The weight can be easily correctable in the weight room to let him fill out. Can't do much about the 6-2 part.

 

[cplinford]

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The weight can be easily correctable in the weight room to let him fill out. Can't do much about the 6-2 part.

He'll be fine no doubt I just thought he looked skinnier than the reported 185

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Quick Google search found the following about size of NHL defensemen...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2003-01-06-hockey-school_x.htm

6-2, 210lbs in 2003

I am sure that has gone up a little in the last few years. Tanev would not be the biggest guy out there, but he would not be undersize by any means. We are not talking to small to play like a Zach Parise or Brian Gionta here

Any else notice UCONN is having an outdoor game with Sacred Fart? Wonder why they did not invite us

 

[RITProf]

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Wonder why they did not invite us

They must have a basketball game going on and didn't want to worry about hockey taking any parking spaces.