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Penn State Womens Hockey
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Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
PSU playing Chatham is totally pointless for both teams. both teams would be far better off cancelling those games right now. these games will be a complete embarrassment. chatham would struggle badly on the club level much less where they are now. they have never shown any reason to exist on the varsity level. the students at the school should be allowed to keep up with the game on a club/intramural basis but never again at the varsity level. i question the hockey sanity of the people who scheduled this.
PSU playing Chatham is totally pointless for both teams. both teams would be far better off cancelling those games right now. these games will be a complete embarrassment. chatham would struggle badly on the club level much less where they are now. they have never shown any reason to exist on the varsity level. the students at the school should be allowed to keep up with the game on a club/intramural basis but never again at the varsity level. i question the hockey sanity of the people who scheduled this.
Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
I do not "hate on" Chatham's players. If you have ever read any of my posts in conversations about the Cougars, you would find that I am very supportive of the women that take the ice night in and night out...I do, however "hate on" the Chatham administration that started this program and has seemingly done nothing to give it any hope of succeeding. My objection, in this case, is that if Penn State is trying to be a successful Div I program, playing the worst (hands down) program in Div III (win or lose) does nothing to further that agenda. It is what it is and since the Red Sox are in last place can we please drop the puck so I can watch sports again!?!?!?
I do not "hate on" Chatham's players. If you have ever read any of my posts in conversations about the Cougars, you would find that I am very supportive of the women that take the ice night in and night out...I do, however "hate on" the Chatham administration that started this program and has seemingly done nothing to give it any hope of succeeding. My objection, in this case, is that if Penn State is trying to be a successful Div I program, playing the worst (hands down) program in Div III (win or lose) does nothing to further that agenda. It is what it is and since the Red Sox are in last place can we please drop the puck so I can watch sports again!?!?!?
giwan
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Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
It does nothing to harm the agenda either. This is really a complete non-issue.
It does nothing to harm the agenda either. This is really a complete non-issue.
Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
I agree with PSWH. If, as everyone says, PS will have a rough time, getting your butts kicked day in and day out is not good either. If the players never get a chance to touch the puck, they can't get a feel for their game. Playing a weaker team will let the coaches work on some of the things that they can't get done playing tougher teams.
Lets give the team a chance to see what they can do.
I agree with PSWH. If, as everyone says, PS will have a rough time, getting your butts kicked day in and day out is not good either. If the players never get a chance to touch the puck, they can't get a feel for their game. Playing a weaker team will let the coaches work on some of the things that they can't get done playing tougher teams.
Lets give the team a chance to see what they can do.
canadahockey26
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Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
I shouldn't have to defend Chatham's status as varsity but if you look at the top half of the players on Chatham they all are strong enough and work hard enough to compete at the D-3 level. The bottom half of the team can't compete in D3 hockey, but give the coach time and he will find quality players. One big problem with Chatham is the turnover in coaching. It's hard to get a program started if the coach is changing every 2-3 years. The new coach lost over half of the team when the old coach was fired and had to recruit for numbers instead of quality. It may take him a few years to get the program going but the program will get better. All of the sports at Chatham have suffered from new ADs every year, and a lack of support from the administration but Chatham has hired a new AD and an SID. Things look like they might be starting to change for the better. Chatham are getting their own locker room finally built, so it shows that the administration is finally behind the team.
There is always going to be a top and a bottom. Chatham is the bottom. If it weren't for Chatham it would be another team. Chatham is an expensive school that not many can afford. It does not give extra financial aid to students who are athletes. It is a strong academic school that not every athlete can get into. It is a unique learning experience that may not appeal to all potential athletes. I personally predict that if Chatham ever became co-ed the sports teams would immediately improve. One of the big problems with recruiting is that many players don't want to go to an all girls school.
To look at some positives Chatham yearly shows strong academically in the ECAC-W(isn't academics what D-3 hockey is all about?). Chatham played close games with Buff State, Utica, and Cortland (an improvement from the previous year where Chatham wasn't competitive with anyone). Chatham has a young team, with only 2 seniors. I'd wait for the start of the season before saying they are the worst D3 team. I'd really like to see Chatham play more cross conference games against other teams that struggle.
No other teams get the same amount of hate as Chatham. I do believe that if they played in another division they would be able to win some games. Penn State will be no stronger than the top of ECAC-W in their first year. They will probably not be the toughest team Chatham plays. It doesn't harm either team to play each other. The Chatham girls will not go home crying if they get killed by Penn State. The Penn State girls may be able to play a game where they can work on some things at a slower pace than the CHA games. Maybe Chatham will surprise some critics and not get killed.
I am sorry to hi-jack the Penn State thread. I am a Chatham fan and a Penn State fan. I know Chatham isn't strong, the fans at Chatham know they aren't strong, and the teams knows they aren't strong. It does no use pointing out they are weak and then rubbing their faces in it. The girls on Chatham probably read this board (I really hope they don't). Maybe instead of just pointing out what everyone else can see give some pointers or ideas for improvement.
I shouldn't have to defend Chatham's status as varsity but if you look at the top half of the players on Chatham they all are strong enough and work hard enough to compete at the D-3 level. The bottom half of the team can't compete in D3 hockey, but give the coach time and he will find quality players. One big problem with Chatham is the turnover in coaching. It's hard to get a program started if the coach is changing every 2-3 years. The new coach lost over half of the team when the old coach was fired and had to recruit for numbers instead of quality. It may take him a few years to get the program going but the program will get better. All of the sports at Chatham have suffered from new ADs every year, and a lack of support from the administration but Chatham has hired a new AD and an SID. Things look like they might be starting to change for the better. Chatham are getting their own locker room finally built, so it shows that the administration is finally behind the team.
There is always going to be a top and a bottom. Chatham is the bottom. If it weren't for Chatham it would be another team. Chatham is an expensive school that not many can afford. It does not give extra financial aid to students who are athletes. It is a strong academic school that not every athlete can get into. It is a unique learning experience that may not appeal to all potential athletes. I personally predict that if Chatham ever became co-ed the sports teams would immediately improve. One of the big problems with recruiting is that many players don't want to go to an all girls school.
To look at some positives Chatham yearly shows strong academically in the ECAC-W(isn't academics what D-3 hockey is all about?). Chatham played close games with Buff State, Utica, and Cortland (an improvement from the previous year where Chatham wasn't competitive with anyone). Chatham has a young team, with only 2 seniors. I'd wait for the start of the season before saying they are the worst D3 team. I'd really like to see Chatham play more cross conference games against other teams that struggle.
No other teams get the same amount of hate as Chatham. I do believe that if they played in another division they would be able to win some games. Penn State will be no stronger than the top of ECAC-W in their first year. They will probably not be the toughest team Chatham plays. It doesn't harm either team to play each other. The Chatham girls will not go home crying if they get killed by Penn State. The Penn State girls may be able to play a game where they can work on some things at a slower pace than the CHA games. Maybe Chatham will surprise some critics and not get killed.
I am sorry to hi-jack the Penn State thread. I am a Chatham fan and a Penn State fan. I know Chatham isn't strong, the fans at Chatham know they aren't strong, and the teams knows they aren't strong. It does no use pointing out they are weak and then rubbing their faces in it. The girls on Chatham probably read this board (I really hope they don't). Maybe instead of just pointing out what everyone else can see give some pointers or ideas for improvement.
Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
the players and coaches are all really nice people, classy and great to be around. the school is simply not making the commitment necessary to reward the hard work of the people currently on the team. the players as individuals do not deserve any abuse but they are never going to be in a position to succeed on an NCAA varsity level. their best bet is to succeed at the club level.
the players and coaches are all really nice people, classy and great to be around. the school is simply not making the commitment necessary to reward the hard work of the people currently on the team. the players as individuals do not deserve any abuse but they are never going to be in a position to succeed on an NCAA varsity level. their best bet is to succeed at the club level.
OnMAA
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They hired her because he worked with her and trusted her. If you have done something and been successfull st it you tend to be better at it then someone who has never done that. That's why D1 expierence is better then D3 expierence at D1.
SeymoreHockey
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You make some valid points here, but having watched Chatham for five years, I conclude that they should pack it in. I have to say that any peewee AA team would defeat Chatham on a good night. The brand of hockey that they play is embarrassing. The first time I saw them play, this is what they did...they literally stood in their zone and waited for Plattsburgh to bring the puck in. When they got possession, they immediately iced it, (the Platty goalie stopped the puck each time to avoid icing calls) then Chatham stood and waited for Plattsburgh to attack again. For more than half the game, they didnt physically leave their zone. No forecheck, nothing...it was the worst display of hockey I'd ever seen. The four years following this display weren't any better.
Half the problem was manpower...they only had two lines and three defense in the game I watched. The girls were sooooo tired, they couldn't play effectively. I felt sorry for them. It continues year in and year out...!!!
No, sorry...Chatham AD is not committed to growing the program, so they should throw in the towel now and save the expense that other teams have to endure to travel to their arena. Done, done, done!!!
You make some valid points here, but having watched Chatham for five years, I conclude that they should pack it in. I have to say that any peewee AA team would defeat Chatham on a good night. The brand of hockey that they play is embarrassing. The first time I saw them play, this is what they did...they literally stood in their zone and waited for Plattsburgh to bring the puck in. When they got possession, they immediately iced it, (the Platty goalie stopped the puck each time to avoid icing calls) then Chatham stood and waited for Plattsburgh to attack again. For more than half the game, they didnt physically leave their zone. No forecheck, nothing...it was the worst display of hockey I'd ever seen. The four years following this display weren't any better.
Half the problem was manpower...they only had two lines and three defense in the game I watched. The girls were sooooo tired, they couldn't play effectively. I felt sorry for them. It continues year in and year out...!!!
No, sorry...Chatham AD is not committed to growing the program, so they should throw in the towel now and save the expense that other teams have to endure to travel to their arena. Done, done, done!!!
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
Just pray that your game days are not on Home Football dates.
Just pray that your game days are not on Home Football dates.
PennStateWomensHockey
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The only home series for Penn State that might be a headache for getting accomodations when it's also a home football weekend is the Oct. 25-26 (Thursday/Friday) series with RIT. Penn State football plays on Saturday, October 27 at 6:00 PM, and there may be fans who come early for it. It shouldn't be too bad, though, with the football game being an evening start on Saturday. It's late enough on Saturday for people to not need a hotel the night before, and still have plenty of time to get to the stadium and tailgate before the game.
The only home series for Penn State that might be a headache for getting accomodations when it's also a home football weekend is the Oct. 25-26 (Thursday/Friday) series with RIT. Penn State football plays on Saturday, October 27 at 6:00 PM, and there may be fans who come early for it. It shouldn't be too bad, though, with the football game being an evening start on Saturday. It's late enough on Saturday for people to not need a hotel the night before, and still have plenty of time to get to the stadium and tailgate before the game.
PennStateWomensHockey
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Here is a list of State College hotels to check out - http://www.visitpennstate.org/visitors/hotels-lodging/state-college-hotels/
The only one I can say anything about is the Autoport.....stay away from that dive. It used to be a nice place before the current owners took over and let the hotel part of it rot away while they focused on the restaurant/bar part of the place. The previous owner always kept the hotel part of it clean and nice, so it's a shame to see what it's become.
Here is a list of State College hotels to check out - http://www.visitpennstate.org/visitors/hotels-lodging/state-college-hotels/
The only one I can say anything about is the Autoport.....stay away from that dive. It used to be a nice place before the current owners took over and let the hotel part of it rot away while they focused on the restaurant/bar part of the place. The previous owner always kept the hotel part of it clean and nice, so it's a shame to see what it's become.
PennStateWomensHockey
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Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
If you haven't looked for awhile, the Pegula Arena construction site is making good progress - check the "sort of live" cam here (a new still shot comes every 12 minutes): http://oxblue.com/open/mortenson/pegulaicearena. Tap the "timelapse" button at the top center, too.....kind of cool to see.
If you haven't looked for awhile, the Pegula Arena construction site is making good progress - check the "sort of live" cam here (a new still shot comes every 12 minutes): http://oxblue.com/open/mortenson/pegulaicearena. Tap the "timelapse" button at the top center, too.....kind of cool to see.
PennStateWomensHockey
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Penn State women's head coach Josh Brandwene comments on the NCAA sanctions imposed on Penn State:
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/w-hockey/spec-rel/072412aab.html
Penn State women's head coach Josh Brandwene comments on the NCAA sanctions imposed on Penn State:
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/w-hockey/spec-rel/072412aab.html
Re: Penn State Womens Hockey
Don't forget Marion or Finlandia... Chatham has issues trying to get girls to go there...an all girls school waaaayyyy south of all their divison. At least they keep plugging away.
Don't forget Marion or Finlandia... Chatham has issues trying to get girls to go there...an all girls school waaaayyyy south of all their divison. At least they keep plugging away.