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Pairwise and Bracketology 2013 Edition

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RPI's RPI is .4998. Is there a scenario of game results next Friday that would raise RPI's RPI to .5000, so that RPI would be a TUC at the TUC on Saturday? It would be appropriate. :D

Just curious.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
RPI's RPI is .4998. Is there a scenario of game results next Friday that would raise RPI's RPI to .5000, so that RPI would be a TUC at the TUC on Saturday? It would be appropriate. :D

Just curious.
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Ralph, My favorite site for stuff like that is down right now - Whelan's site at slack.net.

However, I just found last night that CHN has a custom result tab molded into their PWR calculator, now, too. You could try that. The easy way to do it to take every game on Friday, and award the win to whichever team RPI has played most. Of course, you already know that.

Just tried it out with a few games from this week. I chose SH to lose, and Mankato to lose. All of RPI's other opponents on their schedule to win on Thurs/Fri. RPI's RPI came to .5013. So, there.
 
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Numbers said:
Ralph, My favorite site for stuff like that is down right now - Whelan's site at slack.net.

However, I just found last night that CHN has a custom result tab molded into their PWR calculator, now, too. You could try that. The easy way to do it to take every game on Friday, and award the win to whichever team RPI has played most. Of course, you already know that.

Just tried it out with a few games from this week. I chose SH to lose, and Mankato to lose. All of RPI's other opponents on their schedule to win on Thurs/Fri. RPI's RPI came to .5013. So, there.
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Thanks for the suggestion. It turns out that RPI can even get there with the few games that will be played before Friday.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Thanks for the suggestion. It turns out that RPI can even get there with the few games that will be played before Friday.
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Correct. But it is highly unlikely Sacred Heart wins.... And, then, even if they get there, they could fall off on Friday if results don't go well...
 
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Numbers said:
Correct. But it is highly unlikely Sacred Heart wins.... And, then, even if they get there, they could fall off on Friday if results don't go well...
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I probably should have ignored that one. :D
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
If QU is ahead of BC with both in the top 4, and UNH is top 4, BC is forced to go to Toledo.
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Not necessarily. QC is not the host school in Providence so BC would likely stay in Providence for attendance reasons. When BC got sent to St. Louis in 2011, UNH hosted Manchester and Yale hosted Bridgeport so they had to get shipped.
 
Onion Man said:
Not necessarily. QC is not the host school in Providence so BC would likely stay in Providence for attendance reasons. When BC got sent to St. Louis in 2011, UNH hosted Manchester and Yale hosted Bridgeport so they had to get shipped.
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Again, I believe it works like this.

If New Hampshire is a #1, they are placed first, in Manchester. Then, the other #1 seeds are placed in order of PWR rank. If Quinnipiac is ranked higher than BC, then they are placed first, in Providence. That leaves Toledo for BC. There is no, repeat no, provision in the rule book for anything else. By NCAA rule, it would have to go that way.
 
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There is nothing in the rules that says Quinnipiac can't be a number one seed in Toledo. Teams have been moved for attendance in the past.
 
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LTsatch said:
There is nothing in the rules that says Quinnipiac can't be a number one seed in Toledo. Teams have been moved for attendance in the past.
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Not #1 seeds. It is specifically spelled out in the rulebook that #1 seeds are placed in their closest regional, period.

Trust me brother I wish it were so.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Not #1 seeds. It is specifically spelled out in the rulebook that #1 seeds are placed in their closest regional, period.

Trust me brother I wish it were so.
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Denver was the #2 seed in 2010 and played in Albany while Wisconsin was #3 or 4 and in St. Paul. I believe this was done to eliminate a flight since Denver had to fly to any regional and Wisconsin could drive to St. Paul.

This won't move Quinnipiac to Toledo, as they would be able to drive to Providence.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
RPI's RPI is .4998. Is there a scenario of game results next Friday that would raise RPI's RPI to .5000, so that RPI would be a TUC at the TUC on Saturday?
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Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? 'Cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.
 
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The committee would have a real easy job if the season played out as it is right now:

Northeast (UNH):

1. New Hampshire
2. Yale
3. Denver
4. St. Cloud State

East (Brown):

1. Quinnipiac
2. Miami
3. Dartmouth
4. Niagara

Midwest (Bowling Green):

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Notre Dame
4. Minnesota State

West (Michigan):

1. Minnesota
2. UMass-Lowell
3. Western Michigan
4. Boston University
 
komey1 said:
Denver was the #2 seed in 2010 and played in Albany while Wisconsin was #3 or 4 and in St. Paul. I believe this was done to eliminate a flight since Denver had to fly to any regional and Wisconsin could drive to St. Paul.

This won't move Quinnipiac to Toledo, as they would be able to drive to Providence.
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Quinnipiac right now is the overall #1 seed and if they stay there they will be placed in Providence. There is no question about that.
 
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This might help:

From Moy's column, supposedly copied from the Committee's instructions:

In setting up the tournament, the committee begins with a list of priorities to ensure a successful tournament on all fronts including competitive equity, financial success and likelihood of playoff-type atmosphere at each regional site. For the model, the following is a basic set of priorities:

• The top four teams as ranked by the committee are the four No. 1 seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men’s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semifinals.

• Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.

• No. 1 seeds are placed as close to home as possible in order of their ranking 1-4.

• Conference matchups in first round are avoided, unless five or more teams from one conference are selected, then the integrity of the bracket will be preserved.

• Once the five automatic qualifiers and 11 at-large teams are selected, the next step is to develop four groups from the committee’s ranking of 1-16. The top four teams are the No. 1 seeds. The next four are targeted as No. 2 seeds. The next four are No. 3 seeds and the last four are No. 4 seeds. These groupings will be referred to as “bands"

Please note the 2nd bulleted point: Host institutions are placed at home. I read that to mean that if UNH is a #1 seed, then, before anything else, they will be the #1 in Manchester.

Then, please note the 3rd bulleted point. #1 seeds are placed as close as possible to home, in order, (my emphasis), 1-4. I take this to mean that, after UNH is placed in Manchester, then the committee would start at #1. If Quinnipiac is the overall #1, they get placed in the closest possible region besides Manchester (remember, Manchester is already taken by UNH). This is obviously Providence. Then, the #2 overall, Minny, gets put in Grand Rapids, and finally, BC in Toledo.

Now, I agree totally with those who say this is bad for attendance. However, it seems the committee has decided that giving the #1 overall seed and its fans the privilege of being close to home is more important than attendance.

At least, that's my take.
 
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Numbers said:
Please note the 2nd bulleted point: Host institutions are placed at home. I read that to mean that if UNH is a #1 seed, then, before anything else, they will be the #1 in Manchester.
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UNH will be placed in Manchester no matter where they are seeded. You're probably aware, but your post seems to indicate that this rule only applies to #1 seeds. Host schools that are not # 1 seeds can sometimes also effect where a #1 is placed. If the committee decides it is important to protect an overall #1 by moving them out of a regional that includes a host school playing a defacto home game, they have been known to do that. If UNH fell to the 4th seed band and the overall #1 was going to end go to Manchester based on geography they may well be moved to Providence.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
UNH will be placed in Manchester no matter where they are seeded. You're probably aware, but your post seems to indicate that this rule only applies to #1 seeds. Host schools that are not # 1 seeds can sometimes also effect where a #1 is placed. If the committee decides it is important to protect an overall #1 by moving them out of a regional that includes a host school playing a defacto home game, they have been known to do that. If UNH fell to the 4th seed band and the overall #1 was going to end go to Manchester based on geography they may well be moved to Providence.
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You are, of course, correct, ND Hockey. I was trying to address the discussion above about BC ending up in Toledo. It seems that discussion has centered around UNH being a #1.

In fact, however, the discussion of BC being in Toledo is actually a sub set of the discussion: What happens if 3 of the 4 #1s are from the same part of the country? Answer: If none are host, the lowest seed of the 3 always ends up with the long trip.
 
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J.D. said:
The committee would have a real easy job if the season played out as it is right now:

Northeast (UNH):

1. New Hampshire
2. Yale
3. Denver
4. St. Cloud State

East (Brown):

1. Quinnipiac
2. Miami
3. Dartmouth
4. Niagara

Midwest (Bowling Green):

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Notre Dame
4. Minnesota State

West (Michigan):

1. Minnesota
2. UMass-Lowell
3. Western Michigan
4. Boston University
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Moy swapped Minnesota State and St. Cloud State and flipped the Miami/Dartmouth game with Yale/Denver.

He doesn't explain his reasoning for swapping St. Cloud and Minnesota State--don't understand why he would. Would St. Cloud bring some type of big crowd to Toledo that I'm not accounting for?

I'm also skeptical about flipping the Dartmouth and Yale games...do people think that would happen?
 
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scoreboard said:
Quinnipiac right now is the overall #1 seed and if they stay there they will be placed in Providence. There is no question about that.
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You really think a committee of great hockey minds would make Quinepiac a number one seed?
 
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Golden Tuuk said:
You really think a committee of great hockey minds would make Quinepiac a number one seed?
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Probably not Quinepiac...but maybe Quinnipiac. The Bobcats have been very impressive this season to date, and if they get a number one seed, they will have earned it.

Looking at Moy's Brackets, the Toledo Regional (BC v. SCSU; UND v. UND) looks like the group of death at this point.
 
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