Ohio State 2010/2011 - No way but up.

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Ohio State 2010/2011 - No way but up.

Oz was very successful with the Green Bay Gamblers before he came to Wisconsin. He developed those kids and got them ready for college hockey. It was a big pay cut for him to take the Wisconsin job, but he took it so that he would eventually get the opportunity that he now enjoys.

When Eaves first got to Wisconsin, he encountered a culture of complacency and upperclassmen that were resistant to change. They flat out refused to do what Eaves wanted them to do and made fun of the freshman class who were trying to buy in. That season went very badly and culminated in an altercation between Eaves and a player that nearly got Eaves canned. Oh by the way, the freshman class that was trying to buy in included Adam Burish, Tom Gilbert and 3 others who would win a National Championship as seniors.

Now I'm looking at this from afar, but I'm guessing that Oz learned from Eaves' experience and is taking measures to make sure that the culture that he believes in takes hold without his own players sabotaging it.

It may take a few years for you guys to see this turned around, but Oz was a great hire for you. Many here assumed that he would take over for Eaves at some point, but Eaves never left.

I don't know if you have the same ceiling as the premier programs in the country, but you will get much better than you have been.

 

[buckeyehockey18]

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How has he got of to a bad start? We have had three games with a new coach and your giving up on him and the season? Osiecki's recruiting so far has gone good, Ben Gallacher 4th round NHL draft pick, Max McCormick Wisconsins Mr hockey last year and currently has 5 points in 5 games in the USHL this year, Sam Jardine plays D with Ben Gallacher in Camrose and is on the NHL's central scouting list for draft prospects, Chad Niddery who is one one of the BCHL's top scorers (29 points in 16 games this year), and Tim Watson dont know much about him but he got an offer from Miami Ohio and Wisconsin was going to offer him once they saw him play at a higher level. Dont forget Matt Skoff and Dominik Shine either.

 

[Kitchenhockeydad]

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To: KHD
A parent yes, of one of the "former" players cut,,,,No... Just a Buckeyes fan that takes the time to research the facts before he posts them.... Something that I really doubt you do before you spout off... Everyone on this blog is hoping for a return to a quality Hockey program at OSU. Its unfortunate that its gotten off to a bad start. Hopefully that can be corrected and OSU's reputation in the recruiting process can start to improve.

Please tell me what I have "spouted off" about that I have not researched. I know more than you think. That said, what are you trying to accomplish with all your posts? Oz has done nothing that has not happened at other schools before, so I fail to see why you think this will all of a sudden hurt recruiting at OSU or any college for that matter.

 

[Sportsfan1]

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How will this hurt recruiting??

When a player is recruited, they are recruited to go to school and play hockey.
Part of the appeal of the NCAA package over Major Junior is that you can go to school for four years as a student athlete. If you don't "measure up", you sit...but you are still part of the team.

As someone pointed out earlier in the forum, full scholarships are rare. Why would a student athlete that is cut from a team choose to stay at a school to utilize their partial scholarship if they are not playing hockey or no longer part of the team?
They can be a student anywhere and if they choose Major Jr. over the NCAA they can play more games and have a better chance of playing at a higher level of Hockey after (Statistics show). If they fail to move on to pro hockey they can use their education packages from their Jr. Teams to attend Post Secondary Schools.
A young hockey player with choices to make as to where he goes after Junior or High School may now think twice about an NCAA school.
That's how I think that this action by OSU will hurt their recruiting process. Osiecki's actions in the past few weeks by dropping the three players have set a precedent. Can it be done? I guess it can. Should it have been done?

In the College Hockey News Article it says that Bowling Green and Western Michigan "may witness similar overhauls" as they also have new coaches. Again, more NCAA schools with yearly tryouts.??

In the College Hockey News Article, Osiecki also says, "In the big picture of our program, we're able to move out 11 seniors and bring in a new culture." "You'd like to have more youth this year, but at least next year we can bring in some youth and create that culture that we're talking about here." I guess he is saying that the previous Student Athletes do not have the “Culture which entails knowledge, values, attitudes and experience” (his words). That certainly appears to be a shot at Markell, Brent, Jones and Lammers since they recruited these student athletes who by all measures appear to have carried themselves with dignity and pride while representing OSU…. Look at the number of Scholar Athletes and Letter winners in the past 3 years !!!
After reading something like this, I just don't think that he has much respect for the present group of players he hasn't given any of them a chance yet. After all we are only three games in !!. Sounds to me like he can hardly wait for next year. Again, I wonder what the “culture” feels like in the newly painted dressing room….

 

[Puck Buck]

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Exactly my thought DH.

My thought was David Branch.

I'm just sayin...

I think it would be fun to invite Chris Dilks over to this thread.

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

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I'm very happy for this team and the new Coach OZ. My problem is I'm just trying to rush things. I want change as fast as possible. I want this year to be the learning curve for the new Coach OZ and for the old players and new players. I want to get as close to a 500% season as we can this year. In the next years to come I want to be a 500% team or better.

Coaches nowdays have two different ways of looking at team building. Some Coaches like to recruit older players that have more JR hockey experience. Coach OZ wants to recruit younger players so he can train them his way. It's like the old saying " It's hard to train a OLD DOG new tricks. " Eh.

" GO BUCKS GO. "

 

[lakestedpuck]

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When coach was hired, a good friend from Minnesota told me 2 things: Oz will be a good coach, the other thing was that he knew a kid from the Minneapolis area whose dad was a nut job and an internet thug, perhaps we know who The Ohio State is?

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Sportsfan1 you seem to keep repeating your perspective but it's pure opinion and not fact. I'm disappointed as well for the kids that were released but it happens and it happened before under Markell and it happens at other schools. Where were you and your outrage when Maiani and Campbell were released? Unless time proves me wrong I believe this program will become more successful and consistent that it ever has with Oz as the coach. My sources tell me were are not cast is a negative light with recruiting at this point in time. In fact the prospects know to come here at this point in time will get them in on the ground floor of a program that should achieve great things.

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

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Are you telling me these are the first three Canadian kids ever cut from an NCAA team?

I'm from Canada and there are plenty of kids that want to play in the United States hockey systems. Like wise for the USA kids that want to by-pass college and play Major JR's in Canada. Eh

 

[Brewmaster]

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Sportsfan1 ... where were you and your outrage when Maiani and Campbell were released?

Probably out trying to track down Tom Connerty, I would guess.

 

[Sportsfan1]

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I had no "outrage" when Maiani and Campbell were released because at the time, the rumor was that they were released due to a breach of the NCAA contract that they had both signed.
If Markell did, in fact, fabricate the details of their release, then it is indeed an outrage.

In this case, the players were reportedly released due to a "numbers" issue.
Not because they committed a criminal offense. Not because they failed a drug test. Not because they didn't maintain acceptable grades to play on the team. Not because they weren't in shape. Not because of their skill level. A numbers issue..
They were each told by Osiecki that they were released because of "numbers". It's been reported in the media, and is a matter of public record. I do not have "the inside scoop".

Who will be next?

Hockeybuckeye: You say that "prospects know to come here at this point in time will get them in on the ground floor of a program that should achieve great things".

I guess my point is that I hope that these student athletes will be allowed to move UP from the ground floor after their first or second year, without FEAR of being released for whatever reason Osiecki has....such as to allow another group of prospects in so that he can teach his new "culture". Here’s another concern. Under Markell’s reigns he at least played his NHL draft picks. He did not release them (believe me there is no support shown here towards Markell). But now that Oseicki has released an NHL draft pick due to “numbers” do you really think that given the opportunity to attend OSU or another NCAA D1 school that the NHL team will now push the player to the other school. Doing so will guarantee that their draftee will not get released just as Stefishesn did. It won't happen overnight, but once the word starts to spread. Just some food for thought???

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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I had no "outrage" when Maiani and Campbell were released because at the time, the rumor was that they were released due to a breach of the NCAA contract that they had both signed.
If Markell did, in fact, fabricate the details of their release, then it is indeed an outrage.

In this case, the players were reportedly released due to a "numbers" issue.
Not because they committed a criminal offense. Not because they failed a drug test. Not because they didn't maintain acceptable grades to play on the team. Not because they weren't in shape. Not because of their skill level. A numbers issue..
They were each told by Osiecki that they were released because of "numbers". It's been reported in the media, and is a matter of public record. I do not have "the inside scoop".

Who will be next?

Hockeybuckeye: You say that "prospects know to come here at this point in time will get them in on the ground floor of a program that should achieve great things".

I guess my point is that I hope that these student athletes will be allowed to move UP from the ground floor after their first or second year, without FEAR of being released for whatever reason Osiecki has....such as to allow another group of prospects in so that he can teach his new "culture". Here’s another concern. Under Markell’s reigns he at least played his NHL draft picks. He did not release them (believe me there is no support shown here towards Markell). But now that Oseicki has released an NHL draft pick due to “numbers” do you really think that given the opportunity to attend OSU or another NCAA D1 school that the NHL team will now push the player to the other school. Doing so will guarantee that their draftee will not get released just as Stefishesn did. It won't happen overnight, but once the word starts to spread. Just some food for thought???

OK, that clarifies your position a little more for me but as in all things time will tell, right?

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

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I noticed Senior Goalie Dustin Carlson was not taken for back up again? I don't think he's had a chance yet to prove himself. Any thoughts on that one?

Another tough loss 2-1 on Friday night.

 

[Sportsfan1]

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Yes time will tell....we can only hope.


I agree with your comments on Carlson, He's a Sr right ?? So it doesn't surprise me in the least... Just another example of Oseicki not respecting the "upperclassmen"....

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Yes time will tell....we can only hope.


I agree with your comments on Carlson, He's a Sr right ?? So it doesn't surprise me in the least... Just another example of Oseicki not respecting the "upperclassmen"....

Are you the old coach's son? Or wife?

Not sure that you have the stomach for rebuilding (building) a program.

 

[Sportsfan1]

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Gurtholfin:

Oh, I have the stomach for rebuilding but remember you don't destroy the foundation to add a second floor.... My 89 year old mother can do a better job than Markel so I am sure things will improve over time. In order to get the best out of your players you need to show them respect and I don't think he is showing that right now. Maybe in time he will prove me wrong.
Do you really think Carlson wants anything to do with this guy right now after giving 3 years of his OSU life to the program ??? Not to take anything away from Heeter, he has been playing great and deserves to be playing... You just don't leave your SR Goaltender at home on a road trip...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Gurtholfin:

Oh, I have the stomach for rebuilding but remember you don't destroy the foundation to add a second floor.... My 89 year old mother can do a better job than Markel so I am sure things will improve over time. In order to get the best out of your players you need to show them respect and I don't think he is showing that right now. Maybe in time he will prove me wrong.
Do you really think Carlson wants anything to do with this guy right now after giving 3 years of his OSU life to the program ??? Not to take anything away from Heeter, he has been playing great and deserves to be playing... You just don't leave your SR Goaltender at home on a road trip...

Is it possible that there are circumstances surrounding the decision to leave him home that you are unaware of?

I'd say it's likely. Patience Iago.

Okay, I'm done here. Good luck OSU, except when you play us.

I know Mark personally and I believe that you got a good one, for whatever that's worth.

 

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Is it possible that there are circumstances surrounding the decision to leave him home that you are unaware of?

I'd say it's likely. Patience Iago.

Okay, I'm done here. Good luck OSU, except when you play us.

I know Mark personally and I believe that you got a good one, for whatever that's worth.

Thanks Gurtholfin. I think we have a good one too. I watched the Badgers play at Denver on TV last night and the announcers were talking up your new assistant coaches but nothing about Oz. By the way, how's bow season going up there?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Thanks Gurtholfin. I think we have a good one too. I watched the Badgers play at Denver on TV last night and the announcers were talking up your new assistant coaches but nothing about Oz. By the way, how's bow season going up there?

I heard that and was laughing at their attempt to talk up these new assistants without bothering to mention their predecessors. They almost made it sound like the new guys were some sort of a big upgrade.

Obviously our previous guys were pretty good considering that one got the OSU job and another got a head coaching gig in the Juniors.

I don't hunt, but a buddy of mine got a trophy last week that he's probably gonna mount.

 

[THE OHIO STATE]

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Gurtholfin:


Do you really think Carlson wants anything to do with this guy right now after giving 3 years of his OSU life to the program ??? Not to take anything away from Heeter, he has been playing great and deserves to be playing... You just don't leave your SR Goaltender at home on a road trip...

I think this is the second road trip that Senior Goalie Dustin Carlson has been left behind??? I hope he's not injured or in the dog house.